LI_Bills Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 This team wins out Rex isnt going anywhere Disagree. What if they win next week and get eliminated anyway? I think that's possible, not sure. My take is that he is getting canned unless they make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Probably, and not sure. I don't think that happens, if they keep Rex, i think you need to let him run it his way. If you change the defensive system, you get rid of Rex. and that may be the right move. But the defense needs to be addressed in the draft and free agency. Besides the coaching, the talent isn't there. I disagree 100%on the talent not being there. They have the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) I disagree 100%on the talent not being there. They have the talent. I don't think either safety is 'playoff caliber' talent. I think Ragland needs to upgrade a linebacker and we lack depth at LB and safety. Nothing that can't be fixed, but not sure Rex is willing to use some basic defensive packages and get the most out of the players. We need impact players, hopefully Shaq becomes one and Hughes gets back to being one consistently. Edited December 19, 2016 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It worked that won't happen. If Rex stays , his system stays. And we draft heavy on defense. How many years are we going to keep drafting for the defense. 4 of the 5 picks in this draft was defense including the first three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If this game or either of the next two change your opinion of TT or RR then you should not be a talent evaluator or personnel decider. Maybe a tiny bit for Tyrod the next two to show that he can make the right decision and accurate throw against good defenses, but today does nothing towards his case because of the opponent. Rex is out because he can't coach in this modern day NFL, and whether 9-7 or 6-10 that was decided before these last three games and based on the first 28. Continuity whenever you have something that plausibly won't suck, but decisive turnover to move on from anybody who doesn't have a chance at being very good at what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The offense works, the defense doesn't. What do you do? Without Rex, there is no more bad defense, but there isn't Lynn, TT and his conservative offense either. What does Pegula do? Tell Rex to ditch his system, get a new DC (maybe Bradley) and keep TT and the offense? Can Rex's ego handle that? You should only call yourself fixxer if you can make those things you talked about come to light. Those are great points you came up with. For now I'll call you Prescriptionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If this game or either of the next two change your opinion of TT or RR then you should not be a talent evaluator or personnel decider. Maybe a tiny bit for Tyrod the next two to show that he can make the right decision and accurate throw against good defenses, but today does nothing towards his case because of the opponent. Rex is out because he can't coach in this modern day NFL, and whether 9-7 or 6-10 that was decided before these last three games and based on the first 28. Continuity whenever you have something that plausibly won't suck, but decisive turnover to move on from anybody who doesn't have a chance at being very good at what they do. TT has been in the league for what 6 years now. We are 31st in yards per game passing, ahead of the 49ers. When you think about the 49ers think of all that crap talent they have at WR and TE, and please dont confuse that with I am advocating that Kap is good. What Im saying is the 49ers have about the same receiving talent as Gailey had with the Bills. And we're barely better than that, right now. Totally agree with you, but its not apparent to a lot people on this board. Rex cant coach the defense up, the team takes too many penalties, folds when faced with adversity and for 2 years has no clock management. Whaley is overrated as a GM, Brandon is a nothing burger, the money guys(Overdorf) didnt protect Pegs money on Dareus's contract and gave too long a contract to Rex. All these guys, while they dont reach like a Matt Millen GM level of suckitude, they are mind numbing low mediocre at their jobs and we can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 that's a bingo! We just say bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 People are going to flame me, but for about the 5th game in a row, Stephon Gilmore was one of the two best players on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Don't call me Lorax. Thanks, Lorenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 17.5 mil isn't that much and we aren't getting a better option.31st ranked passing game ain't worth 17.5 mil. Matt Moore and Tom Savage come off the bench w better performances. Edited December 19, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 You should only call yourself fixxer if you can make those things you talked about come to light. Those are great points you came up with. For now I'll call you Prescriptionist. hey, I have a pen and notepad, I'm winning.... Seriously, the curse of this team is that we're mediocre, we're never Browns 2016 or Lions 2008 bad. This same scenario happened with Marrone, the offensive guru that couldn't make the offense going but had the eye to bring good defensive coordinators. When Rex finds a good scoring offense, his defense can't be anywhere as consistent as it needs to be to carry this team. We're so close to being a team like the Chiefs but yet so far to accomplish it. What do you? do you blow it up again after two years or seat everyone in the building, tell them to stop !@#$ing around and grab the damn carrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 that's a bingo! Nice reference from "Inglorious Bastards movie" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) The question is, if it's not the dline, if it's not the linebackers, and now it's not the corners....then what is it? All that's left is scheme I'm not sure you want the browns as your measuring stick Edited December 19, 2016 by Over 28 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 TT has been in the league for what 6 years now. We are 31st in yards per game passing, ahead of the 49ers. When you think about the 49ers think of all that crap talent they have at WR and TE, and please dont confuse that with I am advocating that Kap is good. What Im saying is the 49ers have about the same receiving talent as Gailey had with the Bills. And we're barely better than that, right now. Totally agree with you, but its not apparent to a lot people on this board. Rex cant coach the defense up, the team takes too many penalties, folds when faced with adversity and for 2 years has no clock management. Whaley is overrated as a GM, Brandon is a nothing burger, the money guys(Overdorf) didnt protect Pegs money on Dareus's contract and gave too long a contract to Rex. All these guys, while they dont reach like a Matt Millen GM level of suckitude, they are mind numbing low mediocre at their jobs and we can do better. Isnt it pointless to focus on yards per game while completely ignoring we throw the LEAST passes per game in the league? Most points averaged in 25 years. You need to focus on results. Tyrod is executing his designed role in the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If this game or either of the next two change your opinion of TT or RR then you should not be a talent evaluator or personnel decider. Maybe a tiny bit for Tyrod the next two to show that he can make the right decision and accurate throw against good defenses, but today does nothing towards his case because of the opponent. Rex is out because he can't coach in this modern day NFL, and whether 9-7 or 6-10 that was decided before these last three games and based on the first 28. Continuity whenever you have something that plausibly won't suck, but decisive turnover to move on from anybody who doesn't have a chance at being very good at what they do. Performances in games shouldn't affect your opinion of how good/bad a player may be? I know it's just the browns, but we have had offensive games like this before and won. Great running, good passing, no turnovers. I think fans don't give TT enough credit for not turning the ball over, it's a big factor. My opinion of Rex probably won't change, but until we have someone better, I'm ok with TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 People are going to flame me, but for about the 5th game in a row, Stephon Gilmore was one of the two best players on the field.No he wasn't. Kyle and Shady were better. The interior OL (incognito, groy, Miller) were great. Heck, even Darby played as strong a game. This polarizing stance on Gilmore needs to be put to rest. He's not awful and he's not excellent. He's a good player and the team will feel it if he leaves next year and they can't replace him. Having said that, I'm still not convinced he'll be worth what he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 People are going to flame me, but for about the 5th game in a row, Stephon Gilmore was one of the two best players on the field. Updated stats from PFF. In the last 5 games, Gilmore has given up - 11 receptions on 22 targets, 92 yards (18.4 PER GAME!), 3 interceptions and a touchdown allowed. Not bad from a piece of trash, worthless kitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 No he wasn't. Kyle and Shady were better. The interior OL (incognito, groy, Miller) were great. Heck, even Darby played as strong a game. This polarizing stance on Gilmore needs to be put to rest. He's not awful and he's not excellent. He's a good player and the team will feel it if he leaves next year and they can't replace him. Having said that, I'm still not convinced he'll be worth what he gets. Yes, he was. In the last 4 weeks, he's basically shut down all of Allen Robinson, Amari Cooper (save for a DPI), Antonio Brown, and Terelle Pryor. He's been excellent since the NE game. Actually he's had two (very) bad games this year; he's been outstanding the rest of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Updated stats from PFF. In the last 5 games, Gilmore has given up - 11 receptions on 22 targets, 92 yards (18.4 PER GAME!), 3 interceptions and a touchdown allowed. Not bad from a piece of trash, worthless kitty What do you want to do with him, pay him top 5 money? I'm thrilled that he decided to focus for the second half of his contract season... is that an attitude you reward, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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