BillsFan130 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Rex was brought in because of his defensive mind and history with taking a team to the AFC Championship game. With that, here are my pro's and con's Pros: Offensive Continuity - I believe the offense is getting better and will continue to do so. If you bring in a new head coach, you will pry lose Lynn as the new coach will want his own guys National Attention and Demeanor - Rex has gotten a ton better with the media in regards to not being so obnoxious. I've been happy with how he's carried himself this year. I also believe that he is the reason for our two primetime games. Cons: The defense has gotten worse. We went from top 4 to the 15-20. I don't see it turning around. He gets the flashy plays with sacks, but we aren't generating turnovers and gives up the big plays. We've gotten gashed by the Dolphins, Seahawks, and Pats (yes they gash everyone, but it's still our job) I assume he's asking for positions in the draft and FA. We've gone big on defense and left ourselves weak at WR and OT. So far, 0-2 when should have been 2-0 based off quality of opponent. We didn't show up for either game. While all of our games except the Pats was winnable into the 4th quarter, results matter and he's not getting us here. I think they will bring him back, but I can't give you a strong reason as to why they should. There is nothing besides Lynn and TT progressing to make me believe his team will get any better. And in his system, we will occasionally need to put up 35 points a game to win. If Lynn is the offense, and the D is erratic, what exacly is Lynn bringing to the table? I know it won't happen, but I really do believe that Schwartz and Lynn could have this team in the playoffs. Lastly, !@#$ Dareus Thanks for sharing, good post. The defence has gotten worse since he took over there is no question about that. But the defence is a bit better than last year and they are missing a lot of key guys plus darby and Gilmore are just awful. . I for sure agree with your last comment. F*** Dareus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Pros: continuity Cons: continuity (same old,same old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I don't think rex is the problem so much as Whaley. This roster's been paper thin forever.Totally disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Totally disagree And me. The roster is decent - not perfect but decent - the problem has been using the talent effectively. I don't know where people think all this bursting deep rosters are, because when I look at the league I don't see them. We were down to our 3rd choice NT starter on Monday night and gave up just 33 yards rushing. We have two areas where we are really thin - receiver and safety. As the law of averages would have it we have suffered injuries at both spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 How many teams are deep at safety? The problem is apparently Rexs system relies on safety's. And If that's the case why were we relying on a fragile, one hit away from retirement safety in Aaron Williams? Why does the defense fall off a cliff due to a safety being injured? I think the mistake here was to put the eggs in the Aaron WIlliams wont get hurt basket Blanton was their fallback.....and this is not panning out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 I think the mistake here was to put the eggs in the Aaron WIlliams wont get hurt basket Blanton was their fallback.....and this is not panning out Yep, Blanton is just awful. I don't think he's made one good play all year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I know the season isn't over, and of course if the bills make the playoffs Rex will probably stay. And on the other end, if the bills go 4-12 he will be for sure gone, but chances are the bills will go 7-9 roughly. So here are some of my pros and cons if the bills end up finishing with a middle of the pack record Pros 1. A Lynn/ Tyrod development- I for one am not a Tyrod lover, but i do think he is an average NFL QB who can get better. Since A Lynn came in, the offence has been much better. He makes the o line better, QB better, and WRS better. If Rex is gone, A Lynn surely wouldn;t be back in Buffalo as the new head coach would want to bring his own guy in. Same as Tyrod, as he is owed 27 mil or something next year? There is no guarantee he would be back as well. Keeping Rex means keeping A Lynn and Tyrod, which looks somewhat promising 2. Continuity/improvement- I might get blasted for this one, but even though the bills defence is below average this year, they are better than last year . No A Williams, Ragland, Dareus and Lawson for the most part, and sack totals are way up. The biggest problem is obviously the secondary. Is it Rex's fault that Gilmore and Darby can't cover anyone this year? I would say partially because he does put them on a island a lot, but at the end of the day, those guys need to make way more plays. Rex has shown, if you can give him a good secondary, his defence goes to elite level. In saying that, there still looks to be a lot of confusion out there. That is a huge problem Cons 1. No Accountability- Pretty obvious that the bills don't have much accountability on the team. Penalties again are ridiculous again. Guys can make stupid plays then will continue to play the rest of the game. I don't think that will ever change for Rex 2. History shows him to be mediocre coach- Since 2011 I believe Rex hasn't had made the playoffs? He is a below .500 coach, and chances are if he's back next year, he will hover around that record again - My personal opinion, I don't think Rex is a great coach at all and has obvious flaws. In saying that, if the bills finish with a 7-9 or 8-8 record, I would bring him back as long as Tyrod and A Lynn keep showing signs of improvement. I truly believe Rex can fix the defence when he has playmakers and when healthy. We all know the most important thing is to have a franchise QB, so if there is even a chance Tyrod is like that under A Lynn, bring all 3 of them back next year and rip up the AFC Good commentary. I am concerned A Lynn might get promoted out of Buffalo if he keeps showing the capabilities he has shown as OC. It seems early, but in the NFL strange things do happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Good commentary. I am concerned A Lynn might get promoted out of Buffalo if he keeps showing the capabilities he has shown as OC. It seems early, but in the NFL strange things do happen. He will be the top Rooney Rule candidate this hiring season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 And me. The roster is decent - not perfect but decent - the problem has been using the talent effectively. I don't know where people think all this bursting deep rosters are, because when I look at the league I don't see them. We were down to our 3rd choice NT starter on Monday night and gave up just 33 yards rushing. We have two areas where we are really thin - receiver and safety. As the law of averages would have it we have suffered injuries at both spots. I think the entire reason as to why Rex Ryan was hired in the first place was to bring all that talent on defense into being the best they could be. Now that hasn't happened and it's not even close! To see the defense go from #4 overall in 2014 to middling for two years in a row now. Last season the excuse was that missing Kyle Williams after 6 games was the biggest reason for the drop-off and yet the defense was bad before then. Aaron Williams played in five games this season and the team still lost to the NY Jets by giving up 374 yards in the air to Fitz and almost 500 yards total. The defense was bad even with Williams. Missing one player or two players shouldn't cause the entire defense to decline as much as it has for two years now. The Patriots lose half their starters to injury and still compete for the AFC Championship. Last season an all pro D-line was made to look ineffective and the entire line failed to get to the QB all season while being 31st in sacks! Now, this year two of the best corners in the league are made to look ineffective and lost? Suddenly after half a year the team realizes that they might need WR & Saftey help? Now, this is just an excuse, after excuse as injuries do happen every year to every team! How many years of using the first few picks on defense will it take this coaching staff to get to #4 overall, if ever? One of the largest defensive coaching staffs in the league with the addition of an ex DC in Rob Ryan to and an all pro / future HoF S in Ed Reed and the latter looks to be making things worse on the field. PROS- Rex Ryan helped bring in LG Richie Incognito and QB Tyrod Taylor because the current GM failed to find a decent LG or starting QB for the future. The offense has improved. So many things have changed as the loudmouth blowhard that kept making promises from the first year is gone and has been replaced by a head coach with a solid personality I really like. Game management has been better. Last years late incoming defensive play calls and player substitutions have improved considerably, save the NE game with Brady under center. The 2016 Buffalo Bills lead the league in sacks as opposed to 31st last year! Lorenzo Alexander is tired with Vonn Miller for the most sacks in the NFL and Buffalo has two more sacks then Denver to lead the league with 30! CONS-The penalty problem from last year looked to be improved after the first few games and yet the team is again the #2 team in the league. This defense has a difficult time against average to really good QB's and for the past two years has done really well against the rookies or bad QB's. This was not the case in 2014 as the team faced the league MVP in Aaron Rodgers and shut him down(17 of 42 for 185, 2 INT's). Then faced a Peyton Manning that threw for almost 5000 yards and 39 TD's and held him to 14 of 20 for 173 yards, no TD's! and that was with McKelvin at CB! Don't get me wrong here because I really like this year's version of Rex Ryan and would be delighted if the team was winning more games. But then I liked Chan Gailey too. What stinks is the defense that most fans said would improve this year with the addition of the new coaches and after having a year in such a complex system didn't improve very much. Come to find out it looks like it isn't the system at all but rather the coaching and schemes. The simple fact is this defensive scheme looks to have great difficulty in stopping even average QB's. The Bills still face Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles, Derek Carr, Ben Rothlisberger, Josh McCown, and two QB's that already beat the Bills once in Ryan Tannehill, Ryan Fitzpatrick. So, it's no given that the Bills will beat any of these upcoming teams. My take is that Rex Ryan's future in Buffalo depends on how well his team plays in the next seven games. We all want to see this team in the playoffs and with 8-8 or less would tell me that no matter how many years you give Ryan it just won't happen. I've been around long enough to see that if you hire the right head coach he could have this team in the playoffs and contending for the division very quickly. $http://www.nflpenalties.com/index.php?view=total&year=2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 The team is so darn inconsistent and remains inconsistent in the areas a Rex Ryan team and a team built this way (money on defense) should not be in my view. So we have to ask the question why the team is inconsistent? Is it game planning that stays similar despite the different offenses of the opponents or do the game plans change and some are effective and others not? Do the opponents change their offensive game plans, like Belechick, and the defensive game plan is not prepared for it and/or the coaching doesn't make good in-game adjustments? All of the above is related to coaching. Other reasons for inconsistency are that the players are inconsistent or they have difficulty executing some of the game plans. Playing Miami after Ajayi just ran for 200+ yards, should the Bills D have been better prepared and not allow him to again gain 200 yards? I actually think in that game, he heat and humidity were too much to overcome. Once Ajayi and his O-Line got going, there was little the Bills could do to stop them. The D-Line got outplayed. So, should the Ryan's have made adjustments and did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 And me. The roster is decent - not perfect but decent - the problem has been using the talent effectively. I don't know where people think all this bursting deep rosters are, because when I look at the league I don't see them. We were down to our 3rd choice NT starter on Monday night and gave up just 33 yards rushing. We have two areas where we are really thin - receiver and safety. As the law of averages would have it we have suffered injuries at both spots. This makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I guess people here don't realize that this team has been injured since week 3 of last season. When we put a beat down on Miami 41-14. Rex is not a perfect coach but he's gotten alot of of the bkups that have been forced into action.. Rex has been dealt a really bad hand with these injures.... Give him another yr and clean house with the training staff and doctors on this team. Something is very wrong here with all these injures . I realize all teams have injuries but with us it seems to be the best and most important player that get hurt. A Will is a big huge injury for this team not only is he a really good safety but gets players lined up in this defense which is paramount to its success. I hope we bring bk Rex and this excellent first class staff next season with the likes of A Lynn, Kromor, Sanjay, Palmer, Blake, April, Rob, Crossman, Tim & Reed this is a all star staff .. IF ONLY WE CAN BE HEALTHY THIS TEAM CAN GET DEEP INTO PLAYOFFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Lol. Do any other teams deal with injuries or no? Just the Buffalo Bills? Yea they hurt, but EVERY team deals with them. It's not just the Bills. If AWs communication to the defense was that important they should've had a legit back up plan because there was a very good chance he was going down again to injury.... And he did. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. I'm shocked it is. Scotty, its Friday, go make a drink. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 And replace him with who? The Janitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Every team gets injures we just get bone crushing injuries to our best players. AWill 3gms Cordy 3gms Sammy 7gms Dareus 8gms Woods 1gm McCoy 2gms Lawson 7gms Ragland IR I challenge anyone to show me a team that's winning with these types of injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Every team gets injures we just get bone crushing injuries to our best players. AWill 3gms Cordy 3gms Sammy 7gms Dareus 8gms Woods 1gm McCoy 2gms Lawson 7gms Ragland IR I challenge anyone to show me a team that's winning with these types of injuries. Stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Every team gets injures we just get bone crushing injuries to our best players. AWill 3gms Cordy 3gms Sammy 7gms Dareus 8gms Woods 1gm McCoy 2gms Lawson 7gms Ragland IR I challenge anyone to show me a team that's winning with these types of injuries. The Ravens last year.. ...oh wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Every team gets injures we just get bone crushing injuries to our best players. AWill 3gms Cordy 3gms Sammy 7gms Dareus 8gms Woods 1gm McCoy 2gms Lawson 7gms Ragland IR I challenge anyone to show me a team that's winning with these types of injuries. Dareus was injured for 8 games?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Every team gets injures we just get bone crushing injuries to our best players. AWill 3gms Cordy 3gms Sammy 7gms Dareus 8gms Woods 1gm McCoy 2gms Lawson 7gms Ragland IR I challenge anyone to show me a team that's winning with these types of injuries. The Chiefs last year were absolutely decimated and they made it to the divisional round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Ron Rivera - 6-10, 7-9 his first 2 years. Carroll was 7-9 his first 2 years in Seattle. Lewis was 8-8 his first 2 years. Garrett was 8-8 for 3 years before finally making the playoffs. Not to say all are created equal, but sticking with a guy can have its benefits. Rex seems to be finding himself a bit more here as well. Not playcalling the D anymore, and having more of a say on the offense. Things a HC should do. Not sure why you are confusing this conversation with facts, data, and common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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