Gugny Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Like a gnat huh...a baby gnat! Ha!!! I forgot about that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Kyle had one of his best games yesterday. He was moved all over the line and was a force. I really liked the way he pushed the tackle back when he was lined at DE. I cannot remember the last time he played this well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 If you've seen Rex's playbook, it's largely split between single and 2-gap responsibility for the DL. I agreed that coaching was the primary reason for the drop off in sacks. Let's not conflate points here. It's also worh noting that they mixed things up from the get go; the very first 3rd down of the game was a 5-man pressure package. The point I've always made is that Kyle isn't a poor fit for Rex's D; he's a poor fit for certain roles in Rex's D. As the 3T (or simply the "T" in Rex's playbook), he's an ideal fit. Where can we see Rex's playbook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wonder how many times you will twist your argument to fit a narrative? How many times do you have to hear Rex & other players saying that last year the biggest hit to the defense occurred when Kyle went down? I haven't twisted a single thing. I've been complaining about Rex Ryan's defense since week two and that crapfest of a defense Ryan fielded in that Patriots debacle. Plus, I've been saying the same thing from week six last year after the Bengals game and still believe the two-gap scheme is one of the biggest reasons for that lack of sacks and QB pressures in 2015. You don't have to believe me. http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense Yes, losing Kyle Williams hurt the defensive pass rush to a degree. What it didn't do all by itself was kill the pass rush into going from first in the NFL to 31st. Let's look at the games in which Kyle Williams played in last year, okay? Indy, 3 sacks. Patriots 2 sacks. Dolphins 2 sacks. Giants 1 sack. Tenn 2 sacks. Cincy 0 sacks All with Kyle Williams playing. Six games, 10 sacks. Now extrapolate that out to 12 games = 20 sacks, 18 games = 30 sacks. What is it with you guys? I can also post a BN article in which the Bills coaches talk about Manny Lawson getting a single lone hurry on Dallas QB Kellen Moore all game and they were happy about it because he was able to do that while Mario was dropped into pass coverage. The Bills coaches created that mess of a defense we all saw last year and not the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Many plays he took on 2 blockers clogging things up- strong as an ox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Where can we see Rex's playbook? I'm not going to post it, but it's out there for anyone that is proficient with Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Where can we see Rex's playbook? Maybe in the gameday program in New England this weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You're half right here. Rex has a healthy dose of both 1-gap and 2-gap in his system. IMO, it was more confusion about what his play-to-play role was last year than a mismatched scheme. He 2-gapped at times yesterday and was fine--it's about what he's doing 80% of the time that matters IMO. I'd rather see he and Dareus almost always 1 gapping - it plays to their strength and what has made them probowl caliber players. Love this development... (Assuming it is recent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I haven't twisted a single thing. I've been complaining about Rex Ryan's defense since week two and that crapfest of a defense Ryan fielded in that Patriots debacle. Plus, I've been saying the same thing from week six last year after the Bengals game and still believe the two-gap scheme is one of the biggest reasons for that lack of sacks and QB pressures in 2015. You don't have to believe me. http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense Yes, losing Kyle Williams hurt the defensive pass rush to a degree. What it didn't do all by itself was kill the pass rush into going from first in the NFL to 31st. Let's look at the games in which Kyle Williams played in last year, okay? Indy, 3 sacks. Patriots 2 sacks. Dolphins 2 sacks. Giants 1 sack. Tenn 2 sacks. Cincy 0 sacks All with Kyle Williams playing. Six games, 10 sacks. Now extrapolate that out to 12 games = 20 sacks, 18 games = 30 sacks. What is it with you guys? I can also post a BN article in which the Bills coaches talk about Manny Lawson getting a single lone hurry on Dallas QB Kellen Moore all game and they were happy about it because he was able to do that while Mario was dropped into pass coverage. The Bills coaches created that mess of a defense we all saw last year and not the players. You've been spouting the same 2-gap crap ad nauseam despite evidence to the contrary. Repeating it for the 1,000th time won't make it anymore true. I'll take someone's word who's looked at actual game film (Erik at Cover 1) over the constant dribble of half-truths. As for the sack numbers dropping this was also dissected after the first Pats* game. Rex got caught flat-footed because Belichick & McDaniel rolled out an offense that they designed in the second half of prior year's first game, where Bills didn't get a single drive stop. One half - four drives, 300+ yards, four scores. That's in one half of the great Schwartz defense that blew a close game wide open. That was the blueprint, and Bills couldn't adjust last year because they were confused about their roles, Kyle was gone, and Mario was spreading cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) They said Kyle was the one getting everyone fired up this week at practice and he probably felt he had to "put up or shut up" and in true leader fashion he went out and proved himself as the leader of the D Edited September 26, 2016 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Best game he's had in years. ya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You've been spouting the same 2-gap crap ad nauseam despite evidence to the contrary. Repeating it for the 1,000th time won't make it anymore true. I'll take someone's word who's looked at actual game film (Erik at Cover 1) over the constant dribble of half-truths. As for the sack numbers dropping this was also dissected after the first Pats* game. Rex got caught flat-footed because Belichick & McDaniel rolled out an offense that they designed in the second half of prior year's first game, where Bills didn't get a single drive stop. One half - four drives, 300+ yards, four scores. That's in one half of the great Schwartz defense that blew a close game wide open. That was the blueprint, and Bills couldn't adjust last year because they were confused about their roles, Kyle was gone, and Mario was spreading cancer. You obviously didn't click the link I provided that has an article written by an ex-NFL player who reviewed the Bengals game film and stated Ryan ran that two-gap slightly more than any other scheme. I have no idea who Erik Turner is or if he ever played in the NFL or was an NFL coach. However, Stephen White was an NFL player who watched the actual game film to break down the Bengals game and that is where I garnered some of my info. I also just refuted Turner's idea of claiming that the lack of sacks was mainly because of the Kyle Williams injury as the lack of sacks and QB pressure was happening in games long before Williams was injured. Couldn't adjust? Ryan then managed great pressure on Brady in that second game in week 11 without either Mario Williams or Kyle Williams and did the same against Fitzpatrick in weeks 10 and 17. I had read in the BN that Marcell Dareus, Mario Williams, and even Kyle Williams were all talking about what they were being asked to do in Ryan's scheme and weren't happy about it. However, they all did what was asked of them and some better than others. Clearly, this is was something different from just rushing the passer and different from what they were asked to do in Schwartz's defense which...was....rush...the....passer! I don't attempt to belittle you for your beliefs as I all will try to do is refute them with what I believe is the truth. The plain and simple truth is that Rex Ryan does have a 3-4 two-gap scheme in his playbook and does run that scheme in games all the time. He just ran it from the start of the Arizona game and once the Bills got the lead the defense started going to the one-gap and rushing the passer more. Ryan's defense isn't always the same and he is always switching things up with different fronts, looks, sets to confuse the opponent. Click the link and read it http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You obviously didn't click the link I provided that has an article written by an ex-NFL player who reviewed the Bengals game film and stated Ryan ran that two-gap slightly more than any other scheme. I have no idea who Erik Turner is or if he ever played in the NFL or was an NFL coach. However, Stephen White was an NFL player who watched the actual game film to break down the Bengals game and that is where I garnered some of my info. I also just refuted Turner's idea of claiming that the lack of sacks was mainly because of the Kyle Williams injury as the lack of sacks and QB pressure was happening in games long before Williams was injured. Couldn't adjust? Ryan then managed great pressure on Brady in that second game in week 11 without either Mario Williams or Kyle Williams and did the same against Fitzpatrick in weeks 10 and 17. I had read in the BN that Marcell Dareus, Mario Williams, and even Kyle Williams were all talking about what they were being asked to do in Ryan's scheme and weren't happy about it. However, they all did what was asked of them and some better than others. Clearly, this is was something different from just rushing the passer and different from what they were asked to do in Schwartz's defense which...was....rush...the....passer! I don't attempt to belittle you for your beliefs as I all will try to do is refute them with what I believe is the truth. The plain and simple truth is that Rex Ryan does have a 3-4 two-gap scheme in his playbook and does run that scheme in games all the time. He just ran it from the start of the Arizona game and once the Bills got the lead the defense started going to the one-gap and rushing the passer more. Ryan's defense isn't always the same and he is always switching things up with different fronts, looks, sets to confuse the opponent. Click the link and read it http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense So you're using the game where Kyle got hurt as your proof that the scheme didn't work? And are totally discounting the data that shows that the main complaints were unfounded and that Mario & Marcel were not held back from the pass rush? Or that the DL grumblings came out early in the preseason and only Mario complained during the regular season? Or that you haven't accounted at all for the offensive game plans which totally neutered a pass rush? Or that you're bringing up Rex's fine game plan for the 2nd Pats* game that got blown out of the water because Mario blew his coverage of the RB flare out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He was on a mission yesterday. Sounds like it started in practice when he was reportedly chewing some rear ends out for their play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Jesus. It's that hard to admit that Rex sucked last year? Losing one player on defense resulted in that far a drop in the defense? The defense has looked good in two games and down right awful in the other. Let's hope we see some consistency going forward. Nobody is defending Rex's defense last year. I am hammering a broken record false narrative though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Jesus. It's that hard to admit that Rex sucked last year? Losing one player on defense resulted in that far a drop in the defense? The defense has looked good in two games and down right awful in the other. Let's hope we see some consistency going forward. They lost two players on defense, one of whom was their best defensive player the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Played his heart out. Gross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Jesus. It's that hard to admit that Rex sucked last year? Losing one player on defense resulted in that far a drop in the defense? The defense has looked good in two games and down right awful in the other. Let's hope we see some consistency going forward. Some Bills fans just refuse to see the truth in the issue for the lack of pass rush of last season and want blame it on everything but the scheme and coaches. I don't know why either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Some Bills fans just refuse to see the truth in the issue for the lack of pass rush of last season and want blame it on everything but the scheme and coaches. I don't know why either. Bills' defensive failures ran deeper than a simple infatuation with declining sack numbers. And those failures have been explained with very detailed analysis of the full season's worth of games, not just press snippets from August or October. But keep up your crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Best 5th round pick in Bills history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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