HuSeYiN_NYC Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Can someone out there explain the premise the refs used when making those calls? On the 1st sack Joe Theismann promised the officials Papa Johns pizza after the game and on the 2nd sack he promised them whatever toppings they want. Mystery solved. Doesn't take much to buy off refs in the NFL. Pretty sure he had 2 personal fouls called against him for doing it. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattJ.00/penalties/ Add after researching that, I found the rule for roughing the passer and would say that Alexanders is the right call even though I don't agree with the rule. I guess the question would be if he was pushed before going into Cousins. The fifth provision of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 ("Roughing The Passer") of the NFL Rule Book says: "A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him." He WAS pushed and was actually falling down already and just made a leap to get a sack. He stretched his body out as much as he could to try and make a clean hit. I reapect him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yes. In the pocket, a QB is protected from hits below the waist. But outside, he's fair game, just like RB's are. Below the knee, not waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it matters where his helmet was. Taking a QB down by the legs is a no-no now. Only arm tackles 1" above the waist and below the rib cage front the front is permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yes. In the pocket, a QB is protected from hits below the waist. But outside, he's fair game, just like RB's are. Care to reconsider? The quarterback in the passing posture in the pocket gets protected from hits in the knee area or below — forcible hits. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/18/nfl-instructing-refs-to-look-out-for-low-hits-on-quarterbacks/ That was neither "in the knee area or below" or forcible IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I'd have to watch the sack again, but I'm not sure what he's supposed to do. He got around his block, stumbled a bit before getting to Cousins. Should he have avoided Cousins while stumbling, got his feet from under him and then tried to sack him? Lol. There's a facebook link on the first page I think. Apparently everyone on twitter is taking shots at the NFL because of it. http://www.ekla.in/trends/lorenzo-alexander.html Here's the sack: https://twitter.com/cianaf/status/769324999337443328 Edited August 27, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Regarding the first PF, I was listening to a Washington DC broadcast on ESPN radio. And all of the commentators basically laughed, saying it was a horrible call. They were shocked that it was called a penalty, but they'd take the free yards and first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Maybe he can be used as extra TE since he played it before. Interesting he was playing backup to and getting advice from London Fletcher, one of the most underrated players who did the most with what he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I hate the new contact rules as much as you do-- wow the ref had that flag in the air mighty quick, didn't he? It's the teams with short memories-- that can play through the impossible penalty flags-- and not dwell on them, that will be winners. It's gonna happen. Great efforts and huge athletic big time tackles are going to be flagged, it's gonna suck. All we can hope for is that it evens out in the end. I wish you could review these penalties, but that would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Hit the QB in waist area, near his center gravity, and he will be knocked backward. The defender, having lost his balance at point of impact, will slide down the QBs body because he can't run through the tackle. Legal hit ends up looking illegal. Actually hit the QB low and take his legs out, his upper body will fall forward. Bad call Ed. A I rembember a similar call on aginst the Bills where Kyle Williams had beat the blocker and was tripped into a low hit on Brady. It was flagged of course. As important as these calls are, a replay review would actually be warranted and rather definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The officiating is at an all time low. They pretty much control the outcome of every game now. NFL = National Flag League. End of game Skin defender spins our WR around & no flag. Then a Skin defender gets torched and is completely out of position & they flag Offensive PI. Total joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Lorenzo Alexander Turns in Strong Pass Rush Performance The Bills signed Lorenzo Alexander to be a leader on special teams, but with the injuries at outside backer, he is making his case to be a contributor on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The officiating is at an all time low. They pretty much control the outcome of every game now. NFL = National Flag League. End of game Skin defender spins our WR around & no flag. Then a Skin defender gets torched and is completely out of position & they flag Offensive PI. Total joke. The solution comes from a movie - when Zebras are dictating results ignoring penalties on one side they go on the menu. Lorenzo Alexander Turns in Strong Pass Rush Performance He really did drop a lot of weight - he used to be in the 300 pound range as a defense lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 First one was moronic. Alexander did nothing wrong, it was a safe height with safe technique. If it's a safety issue, maybe look at the tackle technique to assess penalties. Perfectly done. Second one, I get it. I think they've ruled the QB as sacked and that Biermann could've pulled up. Because he didn't and also fell towards his head, the flag was thrown. I had no issue with that. Yeah that was my take. It was inadvertent but when a large man lands on your head it's dangerous. I think those are the type of plays that get overlooked on how dangerous the game is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Except he went low on the QB, which is a foul. Doc.....come on man....where is he supposed to tackle? Head is up..... Came in at the Thigh Waist area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Doc.....come on man....where is he supposed to tackle? Head is up..... Came in at the Thigh Waist area It was a clean hit IMO. See the link I posted which included league quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it matters where his helmet was. Taking a QB down by the legs is a no-no now. Keep this in mind when TT takes a hit worse then that and the hankie stays in the pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Keep this in mind when TT takes a hit worse then that and the hankie stays in the pocket No, I expect a flag for a hit below the waist on TT as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Pretty sure he had 2 personal fouls called against him for doing it. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattJ.00/penalties/ Add after researching that, I found the rule for roughing the passer and would say that Alexanders is the right call even though I don't agree with the rule. I guess the question would be if he was pushed before going into Cousins. The fifth provision of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 ("Roughing The Passer") of the NFL Rule Book says: "A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him." His hit (if you want to call it that....i see that as a textbook wrap up tackle) started higher then the knee area and then his body slid down. But like I said....watch how our QBs get hit this year and see if this is enforced in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) His hit (if you want to call it that....i see that as a textbook wrap up tackle) started higher then the knee area and then his body slid down. But like I said....watch how our QBs get hit this year and see if this is enforced in this way. I agree it shouldn't have been called but the way that it reads makes it justifiable to the refs. Another point to note is that Cousins took a hop backwards which lowered Alexander's body position on him. Edited August 27, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 No, I expect a flag for a hit below the waist on TT as well. Except the rule is below the knee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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