Police Shamelessly cite Terrorism in Patrolling Private Lots

[Billschinatown]

Police are good and bad guys are bad. How simple can it be?

 

I guess it depends on how simple you are.

[3rdand12]

I earlier posted I don't see why using terrorism to deal with a PR problem is appropriate for people getting hammered. I personally don't care if people get drunk, etc. as long they don't hurt themselves or anyone else. As far as weed, which it seems like this thread has turned into it, that's your business. I am Ina career where there is no way I could ever nor do I want to partake.

 

All of this stuff about the police is surprising. Several of my family members are either in the police or corrections, and are decent people as are their friends. I only fly up for one game a year, but looks like just fun to me.

 

Down here in Tampa, people are drinking beer everywhere before the games walking right past the police. They don't do anything about it as it's almost an unwritten thing for the police just to make sure people don't get out of hand. The only losers are the teenagers either could get picked up, but usually the police just tell them to pour it out or they will go to jail and call their parents.

 

I certainly appreciate what police put up with and do not want that job. You deal with the worst of society or when people are at their worst with domestic issues, etc.

Without question. I do too.

Especially city cops.

Tampa sounds like a great example of how it should be done!!

If an Officer told me to to pour my beer out and walk away, i would.

But i try diligently to respect everyone.

[dwight in philly]

 

I guess it depends on how simple you are.

so if im simple , how should i feel about cops ?

Edited June 26, 2016 by dwight in philly

[Punching Bag]

I earlier posted I don't see why using terrorism to deal with a PR problem is appropriate for people getting hammered. I personally don't care if people get drunk, etc. as long they don't hurt themselves or anyone else. As far as weed, which it seems like this thread has turned into it, that's your business. I am Ina career where there is no way I could ever nor do I want to partake.

 

I agree completely on using terrorism as an excuse is wrong. I worked at DISA HQ and high level civil servants wanted reserved parking for long time and each time it was turned down. After 9-11 they got the same reserved parking spots they wanted citing 'terrorism" but it was same request they wanted before 9-11. It was pointed out that the reserved area was MORE likely to be attacked by terrorists since it was by front door and terrorists could see the license plates and identify on which car to plant a bomb and blow up front door using car bomb. Later a car engine blew up in reserved parking area but it was due to engine; until cause determined it was cited as potential terrorism and all the high level government officials parked elsewhere until that was determined. The terrorism was just an excuse until they were potentially at risk.

 

Without question. I do too.

Especially city cops.

Tampa sounds like a great example of how it should be done!!

If an Officer told me to to pour my beer out and walk away, i would.

But i try diligently to respect everyone.

 

Was in New Orleans on business trip with some other coworkers. One left open beer allowed area and a cop told coworker did he want a ticket for open container and have breath checked. He said no. Cop told him to dump it and he did. He then gave him a ticket for littering. He said he was going to dispute the ticket but we told him that in order to do that you will need to admit you had open beer outside the allowed area and then could be cited for it. The littering ticket was significantly less and cop gave him break.

[3rdand12]

 

I agree completely on using terrorism as an excuse is wrong. I worked at DISA HQ and high level civil servants wanted reserved parking for long time and each time it was turned down. After 9-11 they got the same reserved parking spots they wanted citing 'terrorism" but it was same request they wanted before 9-11. It was pointed out that the reserved area was MORE likely to be attacked by terrorists since it was by front door and terrorists could see the license plates and identify on which car to plant a bomb and blow up front door using car bomb. Later a car engine blew up in reserved parking area but it was due to engine; until cause determined it was cited as potential terrorism and all the high level government officials parked elsewhere until that was determined. The terrorism was just an excuse until they were potentially at risk.

 

 

Was in New Orleans on business trip with some other coworkers. One left open beer allowed area and a cop told coworker did he want a ticket for open container and have breath checked. He said no. Cop told him to dump it and he did. He then gave him a ticket for littering. He said he was going to dispute the ticket but we told him that in order to do that you will need to admit you had open beer outside the allowed area and then could be cited for it. The littering ticket was significantly less and cop gave him break.

Very generous of the officer especially considering the serious crime in NOLA each day.

[Punching Bag]

Very generous of the officer especially considering the serious crime in NOLA each day.

 

 

This was years ago pre Katrina.

[Billschinatown]

so if im simple , how should i feel about cops ?

 

Police are always good. Nice guys always win. Bad guys always lose. Plastic folding tables aren't the enemy.

[Abbott Rd Joe]

what rights are being infringed upon by simply placing police officers in public places where there is a congregation of tens of thousands of people?

I'll continue to hold my stance that as long as I'm not doing anything illegal I won't be bothered. And that is what everyone is worried about. Maybe people shouldn't act like drunken idiots and they won't have an issue either.

Private lots are not public places, and I happen to own one. 4th Amendment my friend. This is not about public property. Local law enforcement will want nothing to do with this. It's the elected officials who are catering to Goodell and the NFL who want to have carte Blanche to come onto tax payers property all in the name of protecting the cash cow that is the NFL to minimize bad situations that end up on social media. If I have an issue in my yard, I'll call the OP Police.

"Terrorism" has replaced "Think of the children" for the government's continued nanny state invasion into our lives

Bingo! Thank you.

[mrags]

Private lots are not public places, and I happen to own one. 4th Amendment my friend. This is not about public property. Local law enforcement will want nothing to do with this. It's the elected officials who are catering to Goodell and the NFL who want to have carte Blanche to come onto tax payers property all in the name of protecting the cash cow that is the NFL to minimize bad situations that end up on social media. If I have an issue in my yard, I'll call the OP Police.

 

Bingo! Thank you.

its too bad you don't have a single say in what's going to happen about this and id like to see you stop them from coming into your lot.

 

Have fun with it.

 

It's not 4th amendment rights anymore when you are whoring our your land to make a buck. It's not the same if you are having a private party. I'd really love to be there when you start arguing with them about this.

Edited June 27, 2016 by mrags

[SoulMan]

Call me crazy, but I don't have a problem with an officer walking through a private lot (until someone explains how this impacts my ability to have fun and enjoy the game day experience).

Quite right.

[May Day 10]

Lol. What terrorists tailgate before their attacks? Do they fly an isis flag on their rv? Donning an explosives jacket like most put on a bills Jersey? "There they are!"

[mead107]

Someone straps on a bomb under a jersey walks up to the gate hundreds will die and be hurt. Soft targets at all stadiums.

[Bill from NYC]

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/06/22/orchard-park-board-discusses-proposal-for-police-access-to-private-parking-lots-on-game-days-at-stadium/

 

 

 

 

Bull ****, we all know the primary reason is that you don't want people destroying folding tables on youtube. It's pretty shameful that they would use the guise of terrorism to justify stopping people from breaking tables. No one was talking about this before a year ago. Let's go back a little bit and see what Mark Poloncarz had to say last season:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://wivb.com/2016/01/04/county-officials-react-to-bills-fan-behavior/

Your post says "Police" but the article quotes some chief. There really is a difference. Police take orders. If you dislike the situation I suggest blaming the politicians.

[BillsBytheBay]

Call me crazy, but I don't have a problem with an officer walking through a private lot (until someone explains how this impacts my ability to have fun and enjoy the game day experience).

I don't think anybody does, but go about it the right way for the right reasons. When power and authority is given to law enforcement under the guise of terrorism, and it allows them to break civil rights in the name of counterterrorism, it opens the door to bigger problems.

 

I think it's scary enough that most police departments look like paramilitary units now. Armed with assault rifles not wearing regular police uniforms.

 

I once had a small Texas town sheriff tell me, "if stupidity was illegal I would take you to jail. But it's not."

Edited June 27, 2016 by JaxBills

[mrags]

I don't think anybody does, but go about it the right way for the right reasons. When power and authority is given to law enforcement under the guise of terrorism, and it allows them to break civil rights in the name of counterterrorism, it opens the door to bigger problems.

the problem is... This hasn't even happened yet and all the chicken littles are already assuming they will be hassled for the smallest things.

[BillsBytheBay]

the problem is... This hasn't even happened yet and all the chicken littles are already assuming they will be hassled for the smallest things.

then I think it would be important to pass some sort of legislation that gets those lots policed the way they should, but not let them use the guise of terrorism to corrupt how we protect our civil rights. Edited June 27, 2016 by JaxBills

[nucci]

[zonabb]

Typically rolling back of our fundamental rights. Amazing how much influence fear can have on public policy. Throw out a few key tropes, like "terrorism" and somehow it becomes a license to legislate and regulate away all your personal rights and freedoms, except of course to carry a gun. And the key that politicians know (re-election seekers) is that no one has the guts to call them on it because no one wants to seem soft on crime and terror. But if you look at it objectively, where is the threat? I love the non-specific mention of threats that were thwarted. Really? When, where and who? Given how easily these people throw out terrorism and will stand over a box of weed for a TV camera to justify their policy, wouldn't we have heard about all these thwarted threats? None, that I can recall.

What is an acceptable level of threat? Everyone should stop and realize you are not nor ever will be 100% safe in public. The answer is not the build up of a military-esque local police force and the erosion of our own rights because cops and the military can't be everywhere, all the time. Perpetrators will simply find the soft spots.

 

I'm obviously against the policy and have no problem saying so. I enjoy the small private lots because I don't have to feel like I am being babysat by the omnipresent big brother. And I have zero to hide, I just don't enjoy spending my fun time being watched.

[Gugny]

Typically rolling back of our fundamental rights. Amazing how much influence fear can have on public policy. Throw out a few key tropes, like "terrorism" and somehow it becomes a license to legislate and regulate away all your personal rights and freedoms, except of course to carry a gun. And the key that politicians know (re-election seekers) is that no one has the guts to call them on it because no one wants to seem soft on crime and terror. But if you look at it objectively, where is the threat? I love the non-specific mention of threats that were thwarted. Really? When, where and who? Given how easily these people throw out terrorism and will stand over a box of weed for a TV camera to justify their policy, wouldn't we have heard about all these thwarted threats? None, that I can recall.

What is an acceptable level of threat? Everyone should stop and realize you are not nor ever will be 100% safe in public. The answer is not the build up of a military-esque local police force and the erosion of our own rights because cops and the military can't be everywhere, all the time. Perpetrators will simply find the soft spots.

 

I'm obviously against the policy and have no problem saying so. I enjoy the small private lots because I don't have to feel like I am being babysat by the omnipresent big brother. And I have zero to hide, I just don't enjoy spending my fun time being watched.

 

So I guess a career in porn is out of the question.

[BmarvB]

Terrorists? Really?? Seriously???

We're talking about getting a grip on drunken Bills fans acting a fool. Be honest about it guys!