Abbott Rd Joe

No don't find you over critical. Speaking conceptually is ok too. Civilized debate/discussion is a good thing anywhere.

Who knows if that's fair??? I'd just like to hear from law enforcement leadership as the dialogue continues.

"breaking the law" is a very vague concept here. What laws are we applying in a game day/tailgate context? Maybe some underage drinking? I don't think there is a law saying I can't have a few beers and jump off my car onto a table in my yard? Even do some bat spins if it doesn't hurt anybody else. I don't recommend it, but is that really illegal? Or disorderly? It's disorderly because the NFL wants to have their cake and eat it too. If I do it on a Sunday in May, it's not disorderly. They promote tailgating and take millions of dollars in advertising money from beer companies (and get $10 a beer inside) and now want to push law enforcement into private lots because they have a PR problem on their hands as the people doing it are wearing their teams jerseys and it ends up on social media. Oh, which they sell for $100. If I didn't live a block from the stadium, you probably wouldn't see me on game day. I can honestly say that in 14 years, I've seen a major decrease in the amount of drinking that goes on game day, for the better. 10 years ago I would have people in my yard until 10pm. Now everyone is gone by 6:30. But on the other hand, you can't police everything people do in a free society and always have it fall under the guise of safety.

Was kind of joking when I mentioned Homeland Security. Who knows if they would be equipped either. Based on last night's meeting and via Hammer, there could be up to 500 residential lots who park cars. I don't know if the Sheriffs will want anything to do with this. When I say Sheriffs, I mean the top decision makers. Of course, the rank and file will want to suck up the OT.

Hammer - I have not heard of any news on discussing this with the neighbors. You're probably in the loop more than I. I'll direct message you through this forum with my contact info to see how I can get you a letter. Thanks.

Yeah, a bunch of Paul Blarts.

So what law enforcement agency would be patrolling lots? Homeland Security because this issue has stemmed from the threat of terrorism? Sheriffs are the major law enforcement presence on game day. I don't think the OP Town Board has consulted law enforcement enough on this. I do like what I hear from Michael Sherry whom also is former law enforcement. Buffalo News: "Michael J. Sherry, a board member and former assistant police chief, raised concerns about people losing their Fourth Amendment right to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure." So what law enforcement agency would be patrolling lots? Homeland Security because this issue has stemmed from the threat of terrorism? Sheriffs are the major law enforcement presence on game day. I don't think the OP Town Board has consulted law enforcement enough on this. OP Police Department doesn't have the staff to handle this entire thing. I do like what I hear from Michael Sherry whom also is former law enforcement. Buffalo News: "Michael J. Sherry, a board member and former assistant police chief, raised concerns about people losing their Fourth Amendment right to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure."

Since 2002. When originally bought it was a form of commercial zoning as my property was a former business. I'm in between Southwestern and Milestrip. I'll check with the town this week to confirm my zoning. Can't make the meeting this Wednesday as I will be out of town, so please keep me posted Hammer, thanks. More BS goes on in the stadium lots. The private lots are generally better run because you have the property owner (people like Hammer and I) who are there for the whole duration and keeping an eye on things and actually know their parkers.

I'll take my sign down, thank you. It will be a private party and I'll continue "whoring" my land. So someone's car, purse, cooler, etc. in my yard is not protected by the 4th Amendment? There's more to this than just coming onto the property with probable cause. Lots of grey area here. At the end of the day, the Erie County Sheriffs will want nothing to do with this in my opinion. I believe so. House with about 3/4 of an acre.

Private lots are not public places, and I happen to own one. 4th Amendment my friend. This is not about public property. Local law enforcement will want nothing to do with this. It's the elected officials who are catering to Goodell and the NFL who want to have carte Blanche to come onto tax payers property all in the name of protecting the cash cow that is the NFL to minimize bad situations that end up on social media. If I have an issue in my yard, I'll call the OP Police. Bingo! Thank you.

Aaron is concentrating on two things right now - golf and drinking Bud Lite.

Word from Houston is that Aaron packed up the truck yesterday and hit the road. He's on his way...

I run into Aaron from time to time. Saw him before the opener and at the time he was hinting about "finding something else to do for a living." He's a quiet guy, but a straight shooter. He has a young family and I believe recently built his dream house back in the Houston area. I'm sure that playing 9 seasons for an organization with no direction has taken its toll (plus the nagging injuries) on him. And being a competitive guy, i think he wants to leave on his own terms. He knows he's lost a step but can still play. He won't be a guy to hang on for the paycheck. He knows he's made all the money he needs in life. He's smart with his money and has other interests in life besides football. I know he likes golf, and is probably ready to head back to Texas and start to heard cattle for a living. No way he comes back after sitting out a year to sign with a New England like some have mentioned. Long shot possibility is he asks the Bills to trade his rights to Houston so he can finish his career at home. Other than that, I think he's done.

Um the wrong thread to start after Josh Reed probably had his best game as a Buffalo Bill and is clearly limiting Hardy's playing time right now. My pick - Herman Moore.

If you end up at Byrncliffe, tell Eric the Pro (works the Pro Shop) you are in town for the home opener and he might give you the senior rate when you check in. They have lodging if you need a place to stay as well.

No hate, just advice. I'm well aware of the Second Amendment and and the fact that the gun is legally registered.

Hey Hardy - When you officially move to the 716, leave your piece and dead beat dad back in Fort Wayne please. Trust me, you'll be safe living here in OP or Hamburg and be able to concentrate on football and not have to "watch your back." Maybe you should let him know that Dick. And I went on the record with my buddies saying I would purchase a Hardy jersey when made available...I think that's on hold right now. He doesn't strike me as a bad kid, but he needs to grow up in a hurry and make good decisions off the field. Please Lee Evans you're a pro, take him under your wing.

Not sure what team Michael Huff plays for on Madden, but he plays for the Oakland Raiders who picked him @#7. Detroit picked after the Bills last year @#9 and took Ernie Sims. I believe Marv targeted Donte as a strong possibility as their man given that draft position (#8). Last year, like this year, they had many holes to fill through the draft and could went in many diffrent directions at that spot. Marv picked Whitner who was the best player on their board in that spot who also graded high on Marv's character criteria. Was SS the Bills' #1 priority going into last year's draft? Maybe,hard to say. Did the depth of the safety class force Marv's choice? Who knows as well. Sometimes it's a slam dunk pick for a team in a particular draft slot. Other times, (like in Madden as you claim) you have a few players you like in that slot. A friend of mine was on a flight with Jerry Grey when Grey was on the interview circuit after the One Bills Drive house cleaning in Jan 06. Grey told my friend that in 2004 it came down to Lee Evans and Tommy Harris at #13 in the war room. Grey wanted Harris and Donahoe wanted Evans. We know who won that battle.

I think my last year of 13&U would have been 1987 with Reu. I'm older than you.

R U an EA kid, GMac?

Kiffin lived in the Elma/East Aurora area and hung out at the East Aurora Boys Club before Monte took the job with the Vikes. Yes, I believe he played 11 and under hoops. I played 13 and under at the time. I hate Al Davis, but I'm pulling for Kiffin to succeed.

LA..never. That city has failed to support two franchises. IF (and I stress IF) Tom Golisano can't broker a deal post Ralph, I would be more concerned with a market of 6million people just 90 minutes from Buffalo that already has an existing fan base - TORONTO. Keep your sunday ticket because that's the only way you'll ever see the Bills in LA.

Now I think we can say Schobel will be in the Pro Bowl...he's getting national coverage as well. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...ht&lid=tab1pos1

It is good to see Aaron get some props, he deserves it. He has probably been the Bills' most consistant player for the past half decade (can argue Fletcher). It's a shame that it has taken this long for fans to get to know him and actually hear him speak more than a sentance or two from his locker after a game. You can see from the interview that he is a quite guy and doesn't like to talk about himself, but he is starting to open up and the media is beginning to pay more attention to him as he continues to get better. I casually know him and bump into him from time to time. He has a quite sarcastic personality that people are beginning to see, and is very down to earth. He's just a polite good ole boy and family guy from Texas. I'm glad TD locked him up last year and he'll be a Bill for a while. What's even more to like about him is that he and his wife like Buffalo and are happy here.