John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yep, and I don't want it to be Hogan. I just don't subscribe to the "let's draft a backup" philosophy. I prefer the "let's draft the best guy we can possibly get" philosophy. If they want a QB, I want them to select a 1st or at worst 2nd round prospect, or don't !@#$ing bother. Your pretty close minded on this Maybe we should just keep EJ Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yep, and I don't want it to be Hogan. I just don't subscribe to the "let's draft a backup" philosophy. I prefer the "let's draft the best guy we can possibly get" philosophy. If they want a QB, I want them to select a 1st or at worst 2nd round prospect, or don't !@#$ing bother. so you are in the Cardale Jones bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Well, I guess I opened a can of worms here guys with my post this morning. I actually just made it back to the computer, and was like wow, that was interesting. I am in the camp of the earliest of a 4th compensatory pick or later. He seems like he could at least be a very good back up for us, and at best if the footwork made some serious improvement over 1-2 years could be a starter. If you go with Cardale Jones, you have just different risks. Bottom line is if you don't draft high in the first round, you're usually not getting a starter. Wilson, Brady, and so on are serious anomalies. There is nothing to compare Tebow to Hogan. That is silly. Anyway, I'd love him in the 5th. what we need is TT really progressing this year to our frnachise guy so having a great back up would be awesome. I'd love to have my next Frank Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) so you are in the Cardale Jones bandwagon No, I'm on the Connor Cook Underground Railroad. Your pretty close minded on this Maybe we should just keep EJ Manuel? How is that closed minded? It's a different philosophy to drafting a QB. I understand the variables, and have taken a reasonable position. And although EJM isn't very good, I believe he is a better backup for this season (at least), than Hogan would be. This team needs to win now, and needs to draft potential starters, or at least good special teams players. I don't believe Hogan will add anything to this roster. Edited April 24, 2016 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 No, I'm on the Connor Cook Underground Railroad. How is that closed minded? It's a different philosophy to drafting a QB. I understand the variables, and have taken a reasonable position. And although EJM isn't very good, I believe he is a better backup for this season (at least), than Hogan would be. This team needs to win now, and needs to draft potential starters, or at least good special teams players. I don't believe Hogan will add anything to this roster. We should also draft for the future. Because not doing so is what caused us to "need" to draft EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 No, I'm on the Connor Cook Underground Railroad. How is that closed minded? It's a different philosophy to drafting a QB. I understand the variables, and have taken a reasonable position. And although EJM isn't very good, I believe he is a better backup for this season (at least), than Hogan would be. This team needs to win now, and needs to draft potential starters, or at least good special teams players. I don't believe Hogan will add anything to this roster. I think it is a closed minded position that you cannot find a backup QB unless you take one early...... We are not looking for a starter...Whaley has made it plainly obvious that Tyrod Taylor is their starter.....we are looking for a backup QB. And....as I have previously said....we are not looking to replace EJ Manuel this year either....we are looking for someone to give EJ Manuel competition but ultimately to groom for the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 We should also draft for the future. Because not doing so is what caused us to "need" to draft EJ. A lesson Bills and Bills fan should never forget btw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think it is a closed minded position that you cannot find a backup QB unless you take one early...... We are not looking for a starter...Whaley has made it plainly obvious that Tyrod Taylor is their starter.....we are looking for a backup QB. And....as I have previously said....we are not looking to replace EJ Manuel this year either....we are looking for someone to give EJ Manuel competition but ultimately to groom for the following year. Speaking for myself, I think you should only draft a qb if you think they could potentially become a starter one day. I don't think Hogan can be one, so I'm not a fan of drafting him. There are a ton of backup Qbs every year. You shouldn't spend a draft pick on a backup qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Speaking for myself, I think you should only draft a qb if you think they could potentially become a starter one day. I don't think Hogan can be one, so I'm not a fan of drafting him. There are a ton of backup Qbs every year. You shouldn't spend a draft pick on a backup qb. Except that this one already knows the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Speaking for myself, I think you should only draft a qb if you think they could potentially become a starter one day. I don't think Hogan can be one, so I'm not a fan of drafting him. There are a ton of backup Qbs every year. You shouldn't spend a draft pick on a backup qb. I don't agree. If you think someone has the potential to be a long term solid backup he is worth a late round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I don't agree. If you think someone has the potential to be a long term solid backup he is worth a late round pick. I disagree with all due respect. There are guys like Hoyer and Fitz still on the market. Backup Qbs are not hard to find. And as much as people want to act like EJ is the worst qb ever, he is a pretty typical backup qb. Except that this one already knows the offense. So does our current backup. If you draft a guy this year, get a guy who has starter potential and hasn't hit his ceiling in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I disagree with all due respect. There are guys like Hoyer and Fitz still on the market. Backup Qbs are not hard to find. And as much as people want to act like EJ is the worst qb ever, he is a pretty typical backup qb. It is fine. I think you and HOF Watkins are entitled to take a different view. But the next set of Fitzpatricks and Hoyers come from somewhere don't they? One was an UDFA and the other was a late round pick. I don't believe St Louis or New England took them originally thinking "this guy might eventually be our starter." Again, I am more than happy for them to take a Cook or a Jones earlier on instead. But at the very least I'd like them to come out of this draft with a guy who can compete for EJs spot year 1 and be the undisputed #2 in year 2. I think Hogan could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I disagree with all due respect. There are guys like Hoyer and Fitz still on the market. Backup Qbs are not hard to find. And as much as people want to act like EJ is the worst qb ever, he is a pretty typical backup qb. So does our current backup. If you draft a guy this year, get a guy who has starter potential and hasn't hit his ceiling in college. Our current backup has proven that he can't even manage a game. He is a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Our current backup has proven that he can't even manage a game. He is a liability. And I think you are completely overrating a guy who played against Oregon State ability to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think Hogan is the best fit for the Bills offense outside the first rounders. He's the smartest QB coming out, good field vision, very good accuracy, decent arm, solid for 4 years. I liken him more to Rivers than Fitzpatrick. One thing is, of all the QBs in the PAC 12, he's the only one that consistently gave Oregon fits. I'm not sold on the shiny toys that have a gun for an arm or run a 4.5 forty. I want a qb who can read a defense, has escapability and is accurate. I also think he doesn't make it out of the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 When you quote a source please include a link. Then, only a sentence or 4. Please feel free to repost. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/kevin-hogan?id=2555263 Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Our current backup has proven that he can't even manage a game. He is a liability. It is incredible to me that a lot of folks here are perfectly content not to draft a QB and go into next season with EJ as the back-up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 And I think you are completely overrating a guy who played against Oregon State ability to do so. I'm not overrating him. I'd take him AND Cardale Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 I disagree with all due respect. There are guys like Hoyer and Fitz still on the market. Backup Qbs are not hard to find. And as much as people want to act like EJ is the worst qb ever, he is a pretty typical backup qb. So does our current backup. If you draft a guy this year, get a guy who has starter potential and hasn't hit his ceiling in college. For how much? A backup QB drafted mid rounds commands a very small contract while Ryan Fitzpatrick is still on the market because he wants to get paid? I think Hogan is the best fit for the Bills offense outside the first rounders. He's the smartest QB coming out, good field vision, very good accuracy, decent arm, solid for 4 years. I liken him more to Rivers than Fitzpatrick. One thing is, of all the QBs in the PAC 12, he's the only one that consistently gave Oregon fits. I'm not sold on the shiny toys that have a gun for an arm or run a 4.5 forty. I want a qb who can read a defense, has escapability and is accurate. I also think he doesn't make it out of the 3rd round. Gonna be interesting to see where he goes Me personally I dont touch him any sooner then our 4th round compensatory pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Speaking for myself, I think you should only draft a qb if you think they could potentially become a starter one day. I don't think Hogan can be one, so I'm not a fan of drafting him. There are a ton of backup Qbs every year. You shouldn't spend a draft pick on a backup qb. You're so closed minded! The problem is, you aren't an NFL Talent Evaluator!.....tell him Hemet John, tell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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