Liberal Protests

[BuffaloHokie13]

7 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

"white silence is violence."

 

And white noise is a sleep aid

[GG]

8 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

"white silence is violence."

 

 

Where o where has microaggression gone?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

54 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Where the hell do you think you are?  

 

He's not only a ***** attorney, he's also delusional. Great combination, makes for a stable human being.  

[BillStime]

31 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Correct.  You know why?  Because they are the only ones making personal accusations against me.  The others can defend themselves.  Does that make sense to you? 

 

Your friends do a horrible job defending themselves. 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Your friends do a horrible job defending themselves. 

First off who are the “friends” you’re talking about and second why should that be of any concern of mine?  

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

First off who are the “friends” you’re talking about and second why should that be of any concern of mine?  

 

You nosed your way into the discussion... you figure it out.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Irrelevant. Trump denied and Americans died. Blood all over Trumps tiny hands.

 

Obama warned us 5 years ago but because he is black and his warning was thrown out with the bath water.

 

THANK YOU TRUMP VOTERS.

 

And thank you @GG for your support of Donald Trump.

 

If you don't like people with blood on their hands I assume you won't be voting for Uncle Joe and did not vote for Ms.  Clinton.

 

They both have the blood of 1,000,000+ brown people on their hands.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Rob's House]

21 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

Rob, for me this is the biggest threat that this country has faced in my lifetime.  I've already said my piece on this but the growing influence these little moral objectionists is a frightening thought.  It's bad enough they are littered through Big tech, the news rooms, corporate board rooms, sports, Hollywood and Academia.  But what worries me most is if there are enough of these ***** that get voted in to enact God knows what.  

 

In any case, here is another Really good piece from Ross Douthat who is a Conservative with a small C.  He put together a really eloquent well thought out piece that is hot off the presses.

 

 

 

We are living in the beginning of some Orwellian times.  It's only going to get worse, Academia is a factory for these moral authoritarians and they have a stranglehold of the institution.  

 

I agree. I've known in my gut for years that political correctness was the greatest threat to our society, but I couldn't really explain how it would manifest.

 

I read up on the Bolshevik revolution last year and it started to become clear. I became convinced that the progressive movement is actually a covert marxist movement masquerading as social justice. It's the kind of statement that elicited eye rolls and calls of "conspiracy theory," but it is proving true.

 

As I was reading the article you posted I was reminded of a conversation I had on OTW several years ago. I was angrily dismissed as the crazy anti-PC guy by a frothy spherical dude that insisted that PC simply means "perfectly courteous." The problems inherent in the demand of "perfect" courtesy aside, that perception illustrates how political correctness acts as a trojan horse.

 

America was too strong for a Bolshevik style revolution to succeed. Communism was highly unpopular in America and an overt campaign would be futile. Instead they set upon a gradual subversive takeover from within. To succeed it was necessary to sow division, pit groups against each other, tear down the institutions and traditions that have formed our cultural identity, and break the common bonds that unite people and allow us to live in relative harmony as one nation. They've used political correctness to accomplish that.

 

The theme of America as a racist and oppressive country with marginalized victim groups under the constant strain of active racism was steadily drummed into the national conscience. Speech codes with select buzz words were put in place to prevent people from stating truths that ran counter to the narrative. Swift and harsh retribution, demanded by an intolerant minority with the power of the pen, effectively coerced compliance. The buzz words are associated with concepts that evoke a strong emotional response. Once the association is established in the public psychee, language is manipulated to expand what falls under the definition of that buzz word. This enables them to deem that which would otherwise be acceptable as offensive simply by tying it to a buzz word with a negative association.

 

The most obvious example is "racism." The working definition has evolved from something along the lines of unfairly discriminating against others based on race, to believing in one's own racial superiority, to a white person acknowledging any differences in minorities (unless admiring the superiority of that trait), to the act of being born white. That last example is not an exaggeration. In woke terms, racism is inherrent to whiteness and cannot be avoided. The only path to redemption is to accept your own racism and actively work to compensate for it. Consider this against the backdrop of a world where a "racist" is the lowest form of life, and one who must be expelled from society for the betterment of all.

 

One need not actually do anything that is hateful or detrimental to anyone of another to be deemed evil as long as his action or statement can somehow be fitted under the definition of "racist," even if only in a very technical way.

 

This manipulative association applies to symbols of culture and tradition as well.

 

The Kaepernick movement  is a perfect example of manipulating the perception associated with cultural symbolism to erode the spirit of the country. Whatever Kaepernick's reasoning, those pushing the narrative support it because it simultaneously stokes group division (a necessary ingredient) while stripping the flag and anthem, the symbols of our national pride and identity, of their sanctity. If you're trying to topple a society you certainly don't want massive displays of people standing with pride and showing respect to symbols that represent the system you seek to topple.

 

For years they've bent over backwards to deter any public expression of Christianity because it creates a common cultural bond among people (and gives them a higher power to look to than the state). This is why they've fought so hard to suppress Christmas. It's the same reason they want to inject political controversies into sports. They want to pervert every cultural tradition that brings people together.

 

This is the real reason why they need the confederacy to be categorically synonymous with racism and tear down all its remnants. Regardless of one's opinion of the Confederacy, this has nothing to do with eliminating racism or protecting black people from the trauma of being offended by homages to figures from the distant past. They're eliminating any sense of southern identity and dividing people along racial, regional, and cultural lines, but most importantly, they're setting the precedent for eliminating all historical vestiges of "racism."

 

The next stage is the wholesale condemnation of the founding of America. The American people still overwhelmingly respect the founders and the Constitution. They're posturing themselves to jump that hurdle.  We will soon hear growing cries that America was founded by racist slave owners who should not be honored. The ideals of individual liberty on which the country was founded were espoused by those racists and are then maligned by association. The Constitution is based on those ideals and did not immediately outlaw slavery, and is therefore illegitimate.

 

When that time comes, speaking out in defense of the founders will be politically incorrect. It will be seen as an act of racism. It's entirely likely that failure to actively support the movement will put you in company with the untouchables.

 

It's often said, and rarely true, but right now we are living in dangerous times. The foundation of the amazingly stable system of freedom, equality, and prosperity that we increasingly take for granted is being set ablaze. The useful idiots with no plan or direction other than an abstact sense of injustice and desire to be part of an abstract sense of change will ride the crazy train right up to the gates of hell. They don't realize that the people who start revolutions are not the ones who take power in their wake. They believe if things go wrong they can simply change their government. They're going to learn the hard way that once you let a fire get out of hand you can't just put it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[The Guy In Pants]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Beautiful and smart!

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You nosed your way into the discussion... you figure it out.

Oh sorry. I keep my private conversation that....private. Sorry I “nosed” in. I’m just curios who my “friends” are here. 

[Orlando Tim]

In reading a ton about what the current protest is about, and not caring what the rioters thing, I do respect the protesters and what they are saying. The issue is we have police in these liberal areas that are almost completely immune to responsibility for the actions they take and the police are not there to help people but enforce laws. Where I wonder about the protesters intelligence is if I lived in one of these crap hole places I would move and find a place where the police don't do that. I would vote for people who would not allow the police to do no knock warrants, and most importantly I would not repeatedly vote for the same people who caused my neighborhood to suck as these neighborhoods apparently do. These people need to take charge where they can and change the direction of the area they live.

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

In reading a ton about what the current protest is about, and not caring what the rioters thing, I do respect the protesters and what they are saying. The issue is we have police in these liberal areas that are almost completely immune to responsibility for the actions they take and the police are not there to help people but enforce laws. Where I wonder about the protesters intelligence is if I lived in one of these crap hole places I would move and find a place where the police don't do that. I would vote for people who would not allow the police to do no knock warrants, and most importantly I would not repeatedly vote for the same people who caused my neighborhood to suck as these neighborhoods apparently do. These people need to take charge where they can and change the direction of the area they live.

 

The "no snitch" law within the black community is the biggest problem.

 

Until that problem is solved there will always be discourse.

Edited June 12, 2020 by njbuff

[Reality Check]

Once more police departments get abolished, the exercising of their 2nd amendment right within city limits will become a greater priority. Gun control will become harder to enforce. Progress.

[Magox]

3 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

I agree. I've known in my gut for years that political correctness was the greatest threat to our society, but I couldn't really explain how it would manifest.

 

I read up on the Bolshevik revolution last year and it started to become clear. I became convinced that the progressive movement is actually a covert marxist movement masquerading as social justice. It's the kind of statement that elicited eye rolls and calls of "conspiracy theory," but it is proving true.

 

As I was reading the article you posted I was reminded of a conversation I had on OTW several years ago. I was angrily dismissed as the crazy anti-PC guy by a frothy spherical dude that insisted that PC simply means "perfectly courteous." The problems inherent in the demand of "perfect" courtesy aside, that perception illustrates how political correctness acts as a trojan horse.

 

America was too strong for a Bolshevik style revolution to succeed. Communism was highly unpopular in America and an overt campaign would be futile. Instead they set upon a gradual subversive takeover from within. To succeed it was necessary to sow division, pit groups against each other, tear down the institutions and traditions that have formed our cultural identity, and break the common bonds that unite people and allow us to live in relative harmony as one nation. They've used political correctness to accomplish that.

 

The theme of America as a racist and oppressive country with marginalized victim groups under the constant strain of active racism was steadily drummed into the national conscience. Speech codes with select buzz words were put in place to prevent people from stating truths that ran counter to the narrative. Swift and harsh retribution, demanded by an intolerant minority with the power of the pen, effectively coerced compliance. The buzz words are associated with concepts that evoke a strong emotional response. Once the association is established in the public psychee, language is manipulated to expand what falls under the definition of that buzz word. This enables them to deem that which would otherwise be acceptable as offensive simply by tying it to a buzz word with a negative association.

 

The most obvious example is "racism." The working definition has evolved from something along the lines of unfairly discriminating against others based on race, to believing in one's own racial superiority, to a white person acknowledging any differences in minorities (unless admiring the superiority of that trait), to the act of being born white. That last example is not an exaggeration. In woke terms, racism is inherrent to whiteness and cannot be avoided. The only path to redemption is to accept your own racism and actively work to compensate for it. Consider this against the backdrop of a world where a "racist" is the lowest form of life, and one who must be expelled from society for the betterment of all.

 

One need not actually do anything that is hateful or detrimental to anyone of another to be deemed evil as long as his action or statement can somehow be fitted under the definition of "racist," even if only in a very technical way.

 

This manipulative association applies to symbols of culture and tradition as well.

 

The Kaepernick movement  is a perfect example of manipulating the perception associated with cultural symbolism to erode the spirit of the country. Whatever Kaepernick's reasoning, those pushing the narrative support it because it simultaneously stokes group division (a necessary ingredient) while stripping the flag and anthem, the symbols of our national pride and identity, of their sanctity. If you're trying to topple a society you certainly don't want massive displays of people standing with pride and showing respect to symbols that represent the system you seek to topple.

 

For years they've bent over backwards to deter any public expression of Christianity because it creates a common cultural bond among people (and gives them a higher power to look to than the state). This is why they've fought so hard to suppress Christmas. It's the same reason they want to inject political controversies into sports. They want to pervert every cultural tradition that brings people together.

 

This is the real reason why they need the confederacy to be categorically synonymous with racism and tear down all its remnants. Regardless of one's opinion of the Confederacy, this has nothing to do with eliminating racism or protecting black people from the trauma of being offended by homages to figures from the distant past. They're eliminating any sense of southern identity and dividing people along racial, regional, and cultural lines, but most importantly, they're setting the precedent for eliminating all historical vestiges of "racism."

 

The next stage is the wholesale condemnation of the founding of America. The American people still overwhelmingly respect the founders and the Constitution. They're posturing themselves to jump that hurdle.  We will soon hear growing cries that America was founded by racist slave owners who should not be honored. The ideals of individual liberty on which the country was founded were espoused by those racists and are then maligned by association. The Constitution is based on those ideals and did not immediately outlaw slavery, and is therefore illegitimate.

 

When that time comes, speaking out in defense of the founders will be politically incorrect. It will be seen as an act of racism. It's entirely likely that failure to actively support the movement will put you in company with the untouchables.

 

It's often said, and rarely true, but right now we are living in dangerous times. The foundation of the amazingly stable system of freedom, equality, and prosperity that we increasingly take for granted is being set ablaze. The useful idiots with no plan or direction other than an abstact sense of injustice and desire to be part of an abstract sense of change will ride the crazy train right up to the gates of hell. They don't realize that the people who start revolutions are not the ones who take power in their wake. They believe if things go wrong they can simply change their government. They're going to learn the hard way that once you let a fire get out of hand you can't just put it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was very well thought out and written.  I agree with just about everything you’ve said even though a couple of the points you made were never internalized until now.  Thanks for that.

[The Guy In Pants]

1 hour ago, Reality Check said:

Once more police departments get abolished, the exercising of their 2nd amendment right within city limits will become a greater priority. Gun control will become harder to enforce. Progress.

 

Businesses will leave. I don’t see how they think this is going to work.

 

Never mind; I do know.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

[Golden Goat]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I wonder how Marshawn feels about this.

[Uncle Joe]

 

[Wacka]

9 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

 

Also has "Don't Fear The Reaper".

[Chef Jim]

37 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Also has "Don't Fear The Reaper".

You blew it dude. “Cities on Flame”. 

[Wacka]

Y was thinking about when Trump  sends in the  National guard to take back downtown Seattle.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by B-Man

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

36 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Y was thinking about when Trump  sends in the  National guard to take back downtown Seattle.

 

...he can do so under the 1807 Insurrection Act...last President to do so was Eisenhower in 1957......I'm guessing that military and political advisors are fighting hard AGAINST Trump......at the same time, NEVER in my life time did I expect to see a major US city "under siege" as with Seattle......NEVER......as the Mayor and Gub Inslee sit back....

[KRC]

19 hours ago, Magox said:

 

What did Gandhi do?

 

He didn't tweet a black square last week.

[B-Man]

Three indicted for allegedly throwing Molotov cocktails at NYPD vehicles, face life in prison

by Vincent Barone

Original Article

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[Magox]

This is some Orwellian ***** right here.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...it's astonishing to me that the big pink eraser of the "Cancel Culture" is gaining momentum....ENOUGH problems today and in the future without wasting time going azz backwards.......we are sinking lower to new depths and the bottom is NOT in sight...SMH............

[Tiberius]

Frederick Baba is a managing director at Goldman Sachs and a member of its systematic market-making and interest rate product groups.

To everyone who's asked me some variant of "how's it going?" over the past month, I've probably lied. Or lacked the words to articulate it fully, but I’m giving it a shot.

 

 

Obviously, my experience is just one along a continuum of black experiences, and I don't presume to speak for all black people — or even all black people at Goldman Sachs, where I have worked for six years. But the past few months have been demoralizing, and family/friends/colleagues I've spoken with and listened to across the firm and country seem to share this feeling.

 

 

Being black has been nothing if not instructive. I've learned history — and why people live where they do and why those in positions of power often don't look like me. I've learned that bad things are more likely to happen to black people solely because they're black. I learned which of my friends' parents didn't want me in the house when I was growing up in Cincinnati, Ohio, and who would be blamed if my friends broke the law.

 

 

I've learned how to prove I’m intelligent, to prove I’m not threatening, to prove I’m innocent after being assumed guilty. To prove human as this country litigates my personhood in case after case. It is as if our lives are expendable but we could never rebuild a burned storefront. As if Martin Luther King Jr.’s nonviolent philosophy allowed him to opt out of death by white supremacy. As if the Covid-19 pandemic ravaging communities of color is an acceptable, inevitable cost, and our lives just aren’t worth the points off GDP. It’s a lot to process.

 

 

My family immigrated to the U.S. in 1990 from Nigeria. We were living in New Orleans while both my parents studied at Tulane University. My earliest memory in this country was the assault on Rodney King, when a group of Los Angeles police officers brutally and repeatedly beat an unarmed citizen on March 3, 1991. The officers involved lied about the attack, which was captured on film by an amateur photographer.

On March 16, 1991, Soon Ja Du, an L.A. convenience store owner, shot 15-year-old Latasha Harlins in the back of the head. Du accused Harlins of attempting to steal a $1.79 bottle of orange juice, grabbed Harlins, and then killed her as she attempted to leave the store. Harlins had the cash in hand, and the police concluded that she had intended to pay.

On Nov. 15, 1991, a jury found Du guilty of voluntary manslaughter and recommended the maximum sentence of 16 years’ jail time. The trial judge overruled the jury recommendation, stating that Du behaved "inappropriately" but understandably. Du was instead sentenced to five years’ probation, 400 hours of community service and a $500 fine.

At the end of April 1992, an appeals court upheld the Du sentencing decision and, separately, a jury acquitted all four officers in the King case. That combination kicked off six days of protests, which resulted in 63 deaths — 10 due to shootings by law enforcement — eclipsing the toll in the city's Watts protests of 1965.

At the time, I remember seeing the video and footage from the protests, and hearing Rodney King's famous "can we all get along?" statement repeated over and over.

Then, as now, the central issue was violence against people of color with seeming impunity.

A decade later, in April 2001, while I was living in Cincinnati where my parents were both teachers at Xavier University, 19-year old Timothy Thomas was killed by a Cincinnati patrolman during a police pursuit. Officers were looking to arrest Thomas for traffic violations and other minor offenses, and he was shot point-blank by one of them. The officer claimed he believed that Thomas was reaching for a gun, although subsequent investigations determined that he was likely adjusting his pants.

As is common in these cases, Thomas's life and death hinged on an officer's distinction between being uncomfortable and being afraid. And like many of these cases, the officer's claimed belief of bodily danger legitimized the use of deadly force. I always did well in school, and this lesson was clear: Peoples’ fear of me as a black male could be fatal.

The protests after Thomas’s death lasted five days and centered around Cincinnati's Over-the-Rhine district, which was a predominantly black, heavily policed community where the shooting took place. The median household income in Over-the-Rhinewas about $8,600 at the time (the community has since become whiter and wealthier through gentrification).

Thomas’s murder also kicked off a local debate sometimes described as “respectability politics," with some black leaders blaming black culture for Thomas's death and advocating behavioral changes. The issue was not the extrajudicial killing of a U.S. citizen for “driving without a license" citations; it was a lack of respect for law and order.

If we as black people changed our behavior, pulled our pants up and were respectable, all our problems would be answered. If our parents took a firmer hand, beat us when needed, and policed our behavior, law enforcement officials wouldn't have to. But this didn’t save Amadou Diallo, for instance.

Fast forward another 10 years, to November 2011, when I was living in Chicago and working at the proprietary trading firm GETCO. As I was leaving a recreation-league dodgeball game one evening on the Near North Side, I was approached by two police officers. They asked where I was coming from, and I explained.

The officers told me that I matched the description of an individual who had reportedly stolen from a residence in the area. The description was of a black male in shorts and a T-shirt, with no other details. No color for either article of clothing, and in a city with just under one million black people, I was obviously the culprit.

I'd clearly spent too much time around hyper-rational people who respected me and knew where I went to school and how much money I made. In a lapse of judgment, I tried to explain how absurd it all was while presenting my ID. They slammed me against the hood of a police cruiser. The officer who shoved me looked afraid more than anything, and while I was confident I could have taken both in a fair fight, guns are scary so I worked to de-escalate the situation.

I was basically living out my nightmare of at least the past 10 years, where I’d need to defend myself from a potentially lethal encounter with law enforcement. My plan had been, if things went left, to fight, rush to my apartment, call the legal counsel at my employer and negotiate turning myself in. Fortunately, my de-escalating worked. The officers patted me down, jostled me a bit, emptied the contents of my wallet into the street item by item, and detained me for another 20 minutes, while I shivered in shorts and a T-shirt in the November cold. They finally let me go when another officer (possibly their superior) asked what they were doing and said, “That's not him.”

I went home, and I cried for the first time in years. Then I filed a report with the Chicago Independent Police Review Authority (IPRA), complaint #1050215. Then I flew to London for a work trip, noted how well the Brits treated class-signaling blacks (obviously not the full story), and considered never coming back to the U.S.

But I returned to Chicago and gave an in-person statement. And I waited.

I was still waiting in Chicago in February 2012 when 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman in Florida. Zimmerman was acquitted in 2013, the impetus for the Black Lives Matter movement. And I had more interactions with police officers. And the head of IPRA resigned in 2013. And IPRA closed my complaint file, claiming that their "findings of the events that occurred differed from the account provided" without further detail.

In June 2014 I moved to New York to start a new job at Goldman Sachs. And in July 2014, Eric Garner was killed by NYPD officers who approached him on suspicion of selling "loosies" (individual cigarettes) without the proper tax stamps. In August 2014, 18-year-old Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, Missouri, after allegedly stealing a box of Swisher Sweet cigarillos. Several weeks of protests followed.

In 2015, news broke that the Chicago Police Department had been running a "black site" undisclosed interrogation facility in the Homan Square neighborhood, where over 7,000 civilians had been detained since 2004; 80% of the detainees were black Americans.

And the new head of IPRA resigned. And a City of Chicago lawyer resigned after burying evidence related to the killing of Darius Pinex by two police officers in 2011. The previous ruling (in which the shooting was deemed justified) was later thrown out, and a retrial was ordered.

Years pass, and the same story plays out again and again.

 

On Feb. 23, 2020, Ahmaud Arbery was ambushed and killed by a former police officer and his son in Glynn County, Georgia. On March 13, 2020, Breonna Taylor was killed in Kentucky by Louisville Metro Police officers serving a "no-knock warrant" related to two individuals already in police custody. Kenneth Walker, who was Taylor's partner, fired on the officers with a licensed firearm, and then called 911 to report the home invasion and shooting of his girlfriend while officers stood outside. Walker was initially charged with first-degree assault and attempted murder of a police officer; charges were dropped in May 2020. 

George Floyd was killed on May 25, 2020, after Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin held his knee on Floyd's neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds while Floyd was handcuffed and lying face down. Floyd was extrajudicially killed on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a local market.

So as to the question — “how’s it going?” — it’s not going great. While I appreciate how many colleagues and others have reached out and expressed solidarity, I would appreciate it more if people in finance and business would instead do the following:

1. Reach out to and support diverse analysts and associates within your firms and businesses; a common bit of feedback from junior colleagues at Goldman Sachs is that while there is a commitment to equality and social justice up top, they don't necessarily see commitment and support from their direct managers.

2. Donate money to advocacy organizations. There are six times as many white Americans as black Americans. The more people who get off the sidelines, the better.

3. Donate time to advocacy organizations and directly to members of disadvantaged groups.

4. Support minority-owned businesses. Policing is closely tied to class, just as socioeconomics are closely tied to race.

The interracial wealth gap is huge. Our society naturally defends vested economic interests, and while it won't solve everything, economic empowerment and sociopolitical empowerment are closely linked.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-05/goldman-sachs-executive-has-advice-for-white-colleagues

[B-Man]

How It's Done: Asheville, NC Protesters Attempt an Autonomous Zone, Police Immediately Dismantle It (Watch)

 

 

 

Hypocrisy: #BlackLivesMatter Organizers Segregate Participants in Seattle March by Race

 

 

 

 

Here Comes the Chicago Effort at an Autonomous Zone, But Someone Didn’t Plan Very Well

 

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

[Deranged Rhino]

Posting for the second video  

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

COMING SOON, A Real Estate Tax Revenue Death Spiral?

 

 

 

 

Who would have thought that Minneapolis might become the next Detroit? Well, some of the people who are making it happen, maybe.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

?  ?

 

 

 

 

[Hedge]