Liberal Protests

[bdutton]

Its funny.  My wife is Eastern European.  She personally took part in the peaceful protests that was the first domino that caused the wall to fall.  All of her community of eastern European community as a whole are aghast at the leftward socialist/communist movement in the US they are seeing.  The exact same type of government they either escaped before or helped change within to a democratic state.  Now they see themselves living in a country that is trying to GO BACK TO a type of government that forced them to protest/escape in the first place.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

Still worshiping Fast and Furious Obama?

 

Nope.

 

Obama was also useless. 

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, Justice said:

Man when you leave it up to armed citizens to protect themselves it can turn out badly. Very badly. I’ve seen videos of ppl taken aback that ppl are defending their businesses. As of now there isn’t much shooting but if this continues there will be plenty. 

 

If these thugs are stupid enough to go into Suburbia, then it will get ugly.

 

And there are reports that it is already filtering into Suburbia a little bit.

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Margarita said:

nice deflection. 

What has he done that is illegal? It's a simple question. 

[muppy]

Just now, bilzfancy said:

If someone breaks into your house, threatens you and your family and starts stealing your belongings, are you gonna just sit there and let them?

I own a dog who would never let them past the front door but fancy all Im saying is all this shooting being advocated you may have the right if your life is being endangered but firing a gun and the consequences of that aren't always as cut and dried as you think....are guns legal Yes, can people protect their homes and familys of course. But you better have a good reason and you better be able to defend that shooting if you dont want to get your own self into trouble. Not all and any shootings are justified

[Uncle Joe]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

You are a fvcking idiot. You truly are.

 

I would have a more intellectual political conversation with a mummy rather than you.

Leave his mum out of this.

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Nope.

 

Obama was also useless. 

There might be hope for you yet, albeit not much. 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

If these thugs are stupid enough to go into Suburbia, then it will get ugly.

 

And there are reports that it is already filtering into Suburbia a little bit.

The left should be begging for someone, anyone, to stop this madness now. Even if it’s someone they dislike. Do ppl realize how many ppl own guns out here? Do they realize that most gun owners lean right? This needs to stop now. 

[fansince88]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

If these thugs are stupid enough to go into Suburbia, then it will get ugly.

 

And there are reports that it is already filtering into Suburbia a little bit.

Ever drive way outside suburbia to the middle of nowhere? Thats where I live and my boom sticks are all ready to be used.

[njbuff]

Just now, Reality Check said:

What has he done that is illegal? It's a simple question. 

 

Just say this.........

 

[RiotAct]

Just now, fansince88 said:

Ever drive way outside suburbia to the middle of nowhere? Thats where I live and my boom sticks are all ready to be used.

so... Clarence? 

[muppy]

Just now, Reality Check said:

What has he done that is illegal? It's a simple question. 

the article I posted questioned the legality of he ordering troops before invoking the Insurrection act. Maybe that article is wrong its my source.

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

The left should be begging for someone, anyone, to stop this madness now. Even if it’s someone they dislike. Do ppl realize how many ppl own guns out here? Do they realize that most gun owners lean right? This needs to stop now. 

That would be nice, but telling us won't stop it.

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, Justice said:

The left should be begging for someone, anyone, to stop this madness now. Even if it’s someone they dislike. Do ppl realize how many ppl own guns out here? Do they realize that most gun owners lean right? This needs to stop now. 

 

That's why I want this to stop now.

[jrober38]

9 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Now this isn't a bad response. 

 

Just for the record though, I don't think there is one damn person that isn't outraged about what happened to Floyd.

 

I hope not.

 

I think the issue is definitely getting lost. The media is focusing on the damage and destruction vs the thousands of people out there who are genuinely pissed off at what happens, and continues to happen on a regular basis to blacks in America. 

 

Looting is obviously not the issue. I've seen plenty of videos online of young blacks protecting businesses, knowing their message gets lost when the mob mentality takes over and tries to storm department stores for whatever they can grab. 

 

On the flip side, I've seen TONS of videos of young white males wielding hammers, crowbars, bricks, fireworks and flammables who have done a ton of terrible things over the past 5 days. I dunno if they're ANTIFA or White Supremacists or what, but they all look the same (black pants, black hoodie, face mask, often a gas mask, black backpack). These people are not there to protest anything. They're there solely to screw things up for everyone involved. They want to incite looting, burn cars, and clash with cops.

 

The issue as I see it, and it may be wrong, is that these idiots make up a tiny percentage of the population in these crowds. Maybe 5% of people. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're the reason these protests turn violent because they do things that spark the cops, the cops put the hammer down, and the people there protesting racism get pissed off because they can't stand the cops putting them down.

 

I don't know what the solution is. Some sort of governing and trying to improve the actual problem would be helpful and it's not happening. I just know that punishing a whole crowd, when maybe 5% of the people there are the problem is not an easy thing to navigate. 

Edited June 2, 2020 by jrober38

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, Justice said:

The left should be begging for someone, anyone, to stop this madness now. Even if it’s someone they dislike. Do ppl realize how many ppl own guns out here? Do they realize that most gun owners lean right? This needs to stop now. 

 

The left wants this chaos. That is pretty obvious.

[Orlando Tim]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Nope.

 

Obama was also useless. 

I am honestly curious if you hate Trump and Obama who is your kind of leader?

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, bdutton said:

Its funny.  My wife is Eastern European.  She personally took part in the peaceful protests that was the first domino that caused the wall to fall.  All of her community of eastern European community as a whole are aghast at the leftward socialist/communist movement in the US they are seeing.  The exact same type of government they either escaped before or helped change within to a democratic state.  Now they see themselves living in a country that is trying to GO BACK TO a type of government that forced them to protest/escape in the first place.

About 20 years ago I worked with a young Bulgarian. I visited his parents and their friends who were also from Bulgaria. They were floored that we’d even consider socialism here. 

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I hope not.

 

I think the issue is definitely getting lost. The media is focusing on the damage and destruction vs the thousands of people out there who are genuinely pissed off at what happens, and continues to happen on a regular basis to blacks in America. 

 

Looting is obviously not the issue. I've seen plenty of videos online of young blacks protecting businesses, knowing their message gets lost when the mob mentality takes over and tries to storm department stores for whatever they can grab. 

 

On the flip side, I've seen TONS of videos of young white males wielding hammers, crowbars, bricks, fireworks and flammables who have done a ton of terrible things over the past 5 days. I dunno if they're ANTIFA or White Supremacists or what, but they all look the same (black pants, black hoodie, face mask, often a gas mask, black backpack). These people are not there to protest anything. They're there solely to screw things up for everyone involved. They want to incite looting, burn cars, and clash with cops.

 

The issue as I see it, and it may be wrong, is that these idiots make up a tiny percentage of the population. Maybe 5% of people. They know exactly what they're doing, and they're the reason these protests turn violent because they do things that spark the cops, the cops put the hammer down, and the people there protesting racism get pissed off because they can't stand the cops putting them down.

 

I don't know what the solution is. Some sort of governing would be helpful and it's not happening. I just know that punishing a whole crowd, when maybe 5% of the people there are the problem is not an easy thing to navigate. 

 

Remember it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. And in this case the violent thugs are DESTROYING the message that was originally supposed to be sent.

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, Margarita said:

I own a dog who would never let them past the front door but fancy all Im saying is all this shooting being advocated you may have the right if your life is being endangered but firing a gun and the consequences of that aren't always as cut and dried as you think....are guns legal Yes, can people protect their homes and familys of course. But you better have a good reason and you better be able to defend that shooting if you dont want to get your own self into trouble. Not all and any shootings are justified

This is why I am glad I live in Florida, if someone is on my property and threatens my family in any way and I shoot him I am safe. I am not a proponent of using guns but sometimes they stop much worse things from happening 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

The left wants this chaos. That is pretty obvious.

 

I don't think it's obvious at all.

 

Anarchists want chaos. They might be right or left. 

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, Margarita said:

the article I posted questioned the legality of he ordering troops before invoking the Insurrection act. Maybe that article is wrong its my source.

What is wrong with you? He didn't order any troops yet. Also, the people that would receive those orders will have a lot to say if those orders aren't legal. You seem to confuse media speculation with reality. Start tracking what actually happens and answer a simple question. Did he do anything illegal? If so, what damn statute did he break? 

[jrober38]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

Remember it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. And in this case the violent thugs are DESTROYING the message that was originally supposed to be sent.

 

I completely agree.

 

I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to mow down a crowd of protesters when a few people are the problem.

[njbuff]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I don't think it's obvious at all.

 

Anarchists want chaos. They might be right or left. 

 

It's happening in ALL Democratic run cities.

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

About 20 years ago I worked with a young Bulgarian. I visited his parents and their friends who were also from Bulgaria. They were floored that we’d even consider socialism here. 

I had drinks with a Pole who grew up under USSR and he teaches American and world history at my school. He points out that the only reason it is popular here is that so many people are  willfully ignorant of what it means.

 

 

[njbuff]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I completely agree.

 

I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to mow down a crowd of protesters when a few people are the problem.

 

If they are a small percentage, we need more of the peaceful protesters to point these people out and have them arrested.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

It's happening in ALL Democratic run cities.

 

Right.

 

That's where like 90% of African Americans live.

 

The ones causing trouble aren't from those cities. Several police departments have said the majority of people they've been arresting are from out of town or even out of state. Minneapolis said on Saturday it was like 80%. 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I completely agree.

 

I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to mow down a crowd of protesters when a few people are the problem.

I firmly believe the military’s presence alone will stop this. There won’t be much violence if any at all. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

If they are a small percentage, we need more of the peaceful protesters to point these people out and have them arrested.

 

That's easier said than done when most go to the protest with a sign and they go to the protest with hammers, bricks and knives. 

[njbuff]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Right.

 

That's where like 90% of African Americans live.

 

The ones causing trouble aren't from those cities. Several police departments have said the majority of people they've been arresting are from out of town or even out of state. Minneapolis said on Saturday it was like 80%. 

 

There are conflicting reports on that. So, don't trust the numbers you are told on this issue.

1 minute ago, Justice said:

I firmly believe the military’s presence alone will stop this. There won’t be much violence if any at all. 

 

That's what I have been saying since day one.

 

These rioters will figure it out real quick that the military can do whatever they damn well please to restore order.

[Reality Check]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I completely agree.

 

I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to mow down a crowd of protesters when a few people are the problem.

The protesters have a responsibility to stop protesting if every time they protest violence happens. Night after night they are putting themselves in a predictably worse situation then they did the night before. Are they going to just roam the streets protesting for months on end?

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's easier said than done when most go to the protest with a sign and they go to the protest with hammers, bricks and knives. 

 

Sad

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

There are conflicting reports on that. So, don't trust the numbers you are told on this issue.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm just saying, on Twitter the vast majority of the bad apples have been young white males carrying hammers and bricks trying to lights buildings and cars on fire. 

 

Who knows where they're from. Maybe those cities, maybe from outside. 

 

They provoke the cops, the cops step in to stop it, and the actual protesters wind up clashing with cops because they don't think they're doing anything wrong.

 

These anarchists know exactly what they're doing. Just use the crowd as a shield to cause as much trouble as possible. 

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

The protesters have a responsibility to stop protesting if every time they protest violence happens. Night after night they are putting themselves in a predictably worse situation then they did the night before. Are they going to just roam the streets protesting for months on end?

 

No they don't. 

 

If they go home, their cause gets swept under the rug until the next time it happens.

 

Peaceful protests are happening all over the country.

 

A lot have turned violent, some a lot more than others, and those are the only ones the media is showing.

[bilzfancy]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

This is why I am glad I live in Florida, if someone is on my property and threatens my family in any way and I shoot him I am safe. I am not a proponent of using guns but sometimes they stop much worse things from happening 

I live in Florida too, love the stand your ground law, though some have abused it

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm just saying, on Twitter the vast majority of the bad apples have been young white males carrying hammers and bricks trying to lights buildings and cars on fire. 

 

Who knows where they're from. Maybe those cities, maybe from outside. 

 

They provoke the cops, the cops step in to stop it, and the actual protesters wind up clashing with cops because they don't think they're doing anything wrong.

 

These anarchists know exactly what they're doing. Just use the crowd as a shield to cause as much trouble as possible. 

Clearly the crowds need to wise up and go home.

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

What is wrong with you? He didn't order any troops yet. Also, the people that would receive those orders will have a lot to say if those orders aren't legal. You seem to confuse media speculation with reality. Start tracking what actually happens and answer a simple question. Did he do anything illegal? If so, what damn statute did he break? 

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/national/trump-to-mobilize-us-troops-within-the-us-to-quell-national-unrest

 

No he hasn't yet I stand corrected. I havent read an "I was wrong" about your Obama immigration take so I guess we're even. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

So, you admit you were wrong then.

 

Thanks.

 

Big of you.

 

 

 

 

.

Hoax. He’s never read it.  And you know it.  He even held it upside down today! 

[jrober38]

Just now, Reality Check said:

Clearly the crowds need to wise up and go home.

 

No one is telling these crowds what to do or how to do it. No one is successfully going to tell them they can't air their grievances. 

 

That is why they're protesting!!!

[Justice]

And now two officers, one local and one state, have been hit by a car and have been taken to the hospital. Sad. 

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, Margarita said:

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/national/trump-to-mobilize-us-troops-within-the-us-to-quell-national-unrest

 

No he hasn't yet I stand corrected. I havent read an "I was wrong" about your Obama immigration take so I guess we're even. 

Obama supported open borders and sanctuary cities. You focus on arrests when you should focus on how many came across the border unobstructed on his watch.