TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. Edited January 25, 2016 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. They have won a total of zero Super Bowls in years in which they were not caught cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. Darrell Bevel says "You're Welcome!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. that really is incredible. i guess i never thought about it. but really they are kind of proof that winning isn't that hard. it's much harder to get all of the pieces together and string the important wins to take a championship. but to win in general? they've kind of perfected that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. And that 1 SB still pisses me off...lucky bunch of f***s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. it not hard to win games, it's hard to win the SB And that 1 SB still pisses me off...lucky bunch of f***s... and unlucky against the giants, two catches go their way and they win all 6 SBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 In short, Dick Jauron was right. It is freaking HARD to win in this league. Consider.... New England* has been seemingly unstoppable and it seems like they always win, to the point where many of us just assume they will obviously always win because they always do (they actually don't). In the past 10 years New England* has won ONE Super Bowl. With a guy everyone considers one of the top 2 greatest QBs of all-time and with the coach many consider one of the greatest of all-time. Think about this: They have Belichick. They have Brady. They have had some AMAZING teams that went on crazy runs of not only winning, but blowing people out (the 18-1 year for example). They are always in the AFC Title game. They almost always lock up home field advantage in the AFC before Week 17. The AFC East is almost never competitive. As such, they typically lock up the division by early December. They even cheated (which they have accepted punishment for TWICE) 12-4 is a mediocre year for them. And yet... 1 SB title in the past 10 years to show for all that dominance. It's truly incredible how difficult it is to win even ONE title, even with a stacked deck. The reason they have only won ONE SB in the past decade is because they never really load up in free agency. Thank heavens for that. Teams that don't finish usually have a flaw like that. The Bills of the early 90's were held back by Bill Polians stubbornness. He was going to win SBXXVI and XXVII with what he brought to SBXXV and it didn't matter if the NFC was in an arms race or that his NT and S positions had been exposed as ridiculously weak. Easy fixes he was unwilling to make because he didn't want to admit he was wrong in the first place. The later 90's Steelers were loaded but undone year after year by an overconfidence in their ability to replace EVERY free agent they had. The Reid/McNabb Eagles squandered MANY opportunities by being cheap with their salary cap and not giving him weapons on O. And the Patriots.........they rarely make an effort to bring in veteran playmakers...........when they have it's been bad news for the rest of the league.......Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Darrelle Revis for example..........but they RARELY do it. I am not sure if it's because Kraft is cheap or if they just don't appreciate that QB's like Brady don't land on your roster by accident very often but for whatever reason they usually give the rest of the league a fighting chance even when they really don't have to. When the Pats are in the playoffs I usually root for them to go as far as possible because I really don't want them feeling like they have to do something drastic to help them stay on top because it's hard enough to compete with them as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 The reason they have only won ONE SB in the past decade is because they never really load up in free agency. Thank heavens for that. Teams that don't finish usually have a flaw like that. The Bills of the early 90's were held back by Bill Polians stubbornness. He was going to win SBXXVI and XXVII with what he brought to SBXXV and it didn't matter if the NFC was in an arms race or that his NT and S positions had been exposed as ridiculously weak. Easy fixes he was unwilling to make because he didn't want to admit he was wrong in the first place. The later 90's Steelers were loaded but undone year after year by an overconfidence in their ability to replace EVERY free agent they had. The Reid/McNabb Eagles squandered MANY opportunities by being cheap with their salary cap and not giving him weapons on O. And the Patriots.........they rarely make an effort to bring in veteran playmakers...........when they have it's been bad news for the rest of the league.......Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Darrelle Revis for example..........but they RARELY do it. I am not sure if it's because Kraft is cheap or if they just don't appreciate that QB's like Brady don't land on your roster by accident very often but for whatever reason they usually give the rest of the league a fighting chance even when they really don't have to. When the Pats are in the playoffs I usually root for them to go as far as possible because I really don't want them feeling like they have to do something drastic to help them stay on top because it's hard enough to compete with them as it is. Badol - Did you see this? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/24/report-mccarthy-fed-up-with-thompsons-approach-to-free-agency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Badol - Did you see this? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/24/report-mccarthy-fed-up-with-thompsons-approach-to-free-agency/ The Packers are another prime example. I think teams that get lucky at the QB position sometimes forget that they are only good because........they got lucky at the QB position. Here we are with a perennially QB-handicapped team that has tried to assemble a roster good enough to win without a QB.........and these teams with stud QB's are handicapping themselves by letting their superstar QB's throw to scrubs or play without good defense opposite them. I think maybe in the case of the Patriots and the Packers the concept of the "window of opportunity" is skewed by the fact that their QB's may now play until they are 40. Among my fears this offseason is the Patriots trading a 5th round pick for Josh Gordon and having him go Randy Moss on the AFC in his contract year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Every week, the number of teams that win is the same as the number of teams that lose. Saying "it's hard to win" is kind of a meaningless statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Every week, the number of teams that win is the same as the number of teams that lose. Saying "it's hard to win" is kind of a meaningless statement. It's hard to lose.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 They have won a total of zero Super Bowls in years in which they were not caught cheating. Yup. They should change their name to the 0-fors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 It's hard to lose.. Haha - awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 it not hard to win games, it's hard to win the SB I agree with this. It's hard once you get among the elite teams for that particular year and they're seemingly at the height of their chemistry, etc. What should be easy is beating the Jaguars when you're insanely more talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) The Packers are another prime example. I think teams that get lucky at the QB position sometimes forget that they are only good because........they got lucky at the QB position. Here we are with a perennially QB-handicapped team that has tried to assemble a roster good enough to win without a QB....and these teams with stud QB's are handicapping themselves by letting their superstar QB's throw to scrubs or play without good defense opposite them. I think maybe in the case of the Patriots and the Packers the concept of the "window of opportunity" is skewed by the fact that their QB's may now play until they are 40. Among my fear this offseason is the Patriots trading a 5th round pick for Josh Gordon and having him go Randy Moss on the AFC in his contract year. You heard it here first. After Marshawn Lynch "retires" to avoid camp (he's gonna be cut), he signs with the Pats. It's Corey Dillon all over again. Excellent pt re Gordon. Lafell stinks, and they desperately need a non-shrimp wideout to complement Gronk. With regard to the Pats, they don't really fit your model. In 15 seasons they've made the Afc championship game 10 times, the SB 6 times, and the SB podium 4 times. Ironically, one of the best Pats teams of all - the dominant 14-2 2010 team - lost at home to Rex in the divisional round. That'll always be Rex's greatest victory. Edited January 26, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The reason they have only won ONE SB in the past decade is because they never really load up in free agency. Thank heavens for that. Teams that don't finish usually have a flaw like that. The Bills of the early 90's were held back by Bill Polians stubbornness. He was going to win SBXXVI and XXVII with what he brought to SBXXV and it didn't matter if the NFC was in an arms race or that his NT and S positions had been exposed as ridiculously weak. Easy fixes he was unwilling to make because he didn't want to admit he was wrong in the first place. The later 90's Steelers were loaded but undone year after year by an overconfidence in their ability to replace EVERY free agent they had. The Reid/McNabb Eagles squandered MANY opportunities by being cheap with their salary cap and not giving him weapons on O. And the Patriots.........they rarely make an effort to bring in veteran playmakers...........when they have it's been bad news for the rest of the league.......Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Darrelle Revis for example..........but they RARELY do it. I am not sure if it's because Kraft is cheap or if they just don't appreciate that QB's like Brady don't land on your roster by accident very often but for whatever reason they usually give the rest of the league a fighting chance even when they really don't have to. When the Pats are in the playoffs I usually root for them to go as far as possible because I really don't want them feeling like they have to do something drastic to help them stay on top because it's hard enough to compete with them as it is. They were talking about this on ESPN LA on the way home tonight. Marcellus Wiley was drilling this point home; a few good signings here and there and these team just kills everyone all the time. He also talked about their shrimp receivers and the need to get a big time WR to take the top off. Doesn't think it will happen before Brady falls of the cliff. Max Kellerman was off tonight, I forgot who was filling in as co-host brought up a different take and said that with all of the front office openings the last few seasons has really depleted their front office and ability to find good players that last few seasons. There is the thought that Bellicheck can't do it all by himself and you are seeing that with the state of their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 You heard it here first. After Marshawn Lynch "retires" to avoid camp (he's gonna be cut), he signs with the Pats. It's Corey Dillon all over again. Excellent pt re Gordon. Lafell stinks, and they desperately need a non-shrimp wideout to complement Gronk. With regard to the Pats, they don't really fit your model. In 15 seasons they've made the Afc championship game 10 times, the SB 6 times, and the SB podium 4 times. Ironically, one of the best Pats teams of all - the dominant 14-2 2010 team - lost at home to Rex in the divisional round. That'll always be Rex's greatest victory. Oh they fit the model......they could have easily won 10 SB's but have never really went all in even once in that period of time. Eventually the "almosts" usually lead a team to put a fine point on their roster the way the Cowboys and Niners did in the early 1990's but not with the Patriots. They have the Patriot way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The salary cap is designed to make it hard for one team to be a dynasty. Once 20 million per year is tied up in the QB position, it is nearly impossible to have elite players at most other positions. When you look at the Patriots, they seem to make winning in general look easy. Jauron's comment was not "winning championships" is hard. It was simply winning. Only a few teams struggle to ever win for decades on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 It's amazing what happens when your goalie gets hot in May. Oops, wrong sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 But i thought there was a wide ranging conspiracy between the NFL and the Pats* for the Pats* to win every SB? Maybe the conspiracy will now extend to Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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