HurlyBurly51 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 When your team runs for 250 it isnt necessary to throw 30 times a game. Except when the team isn't gashing for 250 on the ground. I'm fine with that game plan when it's working. How has he fared when he has needed to drive the team downfield at the end of the game to score, which at that point will probably push your attempts up to the 30 range? Just need him to demonstrate he can do it, and there were a few games for the taking where he was unable to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yep. Franchise Quarterback has different meaning for different people. I'm not even sure there is an accepted definition. Usually IMO when NFL guys speak about "franchise QBs" they are talking about a guy who is your starter for 10 years and most people believe you can win the super bowl with that guy if most other things go right. I like TT a lot but he is nowhere near that definition. Same thing with the term "spectacular" and "great," especially because it usually should be thought of including the phrase "under the circumstances." One may easily say Tyrod, at times, played "spectacular under the circumstances" without actually playing just flat spectacular. The way I see it a true Franchise QB has the ability to carry his team to victory on a regular basis. His team goes into games expecting to win because they know he's the guy who can elevate the team to a win under almost any circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I think year one for TT was certainly good enough... But he's going to need to take another big step in year two... The third down efficiency was simply not good enough (20th in the league at around 37%)...And IMHO that was a lot of what you pointed out...One read, scramble and run...And when coupled with the fact that the Bills Defense is 23rd in stopping opponents on 3rd down...It was a real bad mix this season... On a side note Rex's Jets D was 30th...30th in the league in stopping opponents on 3rd down in 2014!!! And you guessed it...The Bills D under Schwartz was 1st in the league in that category...So... Agreed. TT is not the biggest issue with the team but needs to improve so defenses don't key in on his tendency to run or throw to sidelines. At the same time one has to hope they won't just plan on him improving and decide against acquiring competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The way I see it a true Franchise QB has the ability to carry his team to victory on a regular basis. His team goes into games expecting to win because they know he's the guy who can elevate the team to a win under almost any circumstance. So then there's like... 3 franchise QBs? Brady, Rodgers, and Newton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That's due to tunnel vision on your part. Or a lack of desperation. I don't call QB's spectacular when they don't throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 @BuffaloBillsPR With one game to play, Tyrod Taylor's 100.7 passer rating is the second-highest single season rating in team history Tyrod Taylor, Karlos Williams Sr and Buffalo Bills So then there's like... 3 franchise QBs? Brady, Rodgers, and Newton? They are few and far between that's for sure. I'd add Big Ben and Wilson to that mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 @BuffaloBillsPR With one game to play, Tyrod Taylor's 100.7 passer rating is the second-highest single season rating in team history Tyrod Taylor, Karlos Williams Sr and Buffalo Bills They are few and far between that's for sure. I'd add Big Ben and Wilson to that mix. Definitely drives home the subjective nature of the term 'franchise QB' haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 We are now looking at 2017 as being the earliest we have a chance to make the playoffs... and the defense is the primary reason why. The 2015 season still has a game left, and we've already missed the 2016 playoffs? Thanks for saving me the time and effort. And people think PPP is where the nutbags hang out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I think the Bills should keep TT... but also draft one QB each year somewhere in rounds 2 to 5. (I think first round QB's aren't worth the risk) I think that's fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Definitely drives home the subjective nature of the term 'franchise QB' haha It does indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The 2015 season still has a game left, and we've already missed the 2016 playoffs? Thanks for saving me the time and effort. And people think PPP is where the nutbags hang out. This place is becoming a cesspool. TT had a pretty good year for a first year starting QB in a brand new system with a dysfunctional coaching staff and a litany of injured co-workers that never played together much before and certainly didn't gain a lot of familiarity in TC, Preseason and most of the damn season. Kudos to him to doing as well as he did. I expect he'll do much better next year when the game will slow down for him even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Definitely another WR and RT. Miller is average at best but I have to remind myself hes a rookie. Lets hope on the left side Incognito returns. If not that may change the entire make up of our draft. It's good to also remind yourself that this is TT's first year actually playing. He will get better. How much better, we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 This place is becoming a cesspool. TT had a pretty good year for a first year starting QB in a brand new system with a dysfunctional coaching staff and a litany of injured co-workers that never played together much before and certainly didn't gain a lot of familiarity in TC, Preseason and most of the damn season. Kudos to him to doing as well as he did. I expect he'll do much better next year when the game will slow down for him even more. I agree, but the offensive coaching wasn't dysfunctional at all. Roman did a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 WGR just had interesting stat on taylors throws 220 attempts to sidelines 120 attempts to middle of field It would be interesting to see what the same stats are for other QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I agree, but the offensive coaching wasn't dysfunctional at all. Roman did a great job.Overall pretty well. He was terrible at getting the play in on time, especially terrible at the two minute offense letting Taylor run the offense himself, terrible at insisting on getting the ball into Watkins hands. Taylor was running Romans offense how he was taught to run it. Roman had to insist that he throw to Sammy more. And Rex should have insisted Roman do it when he didn't. It was an enormous blunder the entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I agree, but the offensive coaching wasn't dysfunctional at all. Roman did a great job. I certainly wouldn't say dysfunctional but some of the play calls were odd at times. Overall though I think Roman did a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Overall pretty well. He was terrible at getting the play in on time, especially terrible at the two minute offense letting Taylor run the offense himself, terrible at insisting on getting the ball into Watkins hands. Taylor was running Romans offense how he was taught to run it. Roman had to insist that he throw to Sammy more. And Rex should have insisted Roman do it when he didn't. It was an enormous blunder the entire season. The offense was light years better than last season's, and bear in mind that the QB had no experience. They're 10th in yards per drive, 12th in points per drive, 12th in points overall, and 12th in yards overall. That's leaps-and-bounds improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The offense was light years better than last season's, and bear in mind that the QB had no experience. They're 10th in yards per drive, 12th in points per drive, 12th in points overall, and 12th in yards overall. That's leaps-and-bounds improvement. Agreed. Completely. But the above reasons I gave were entirely unforced errors that held them back substantially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Agreed. TT is not the biggest issue with the team but needs to improve so defenses don't key in on his tendency to run or throw to sidelines. At the same time one has to hope they won't just plan on him improving and decide against acquiring competition. Exactly... No matter what they better get insurance and a young QB to develop...If for no other reason than the impending contract situation...But certainly there are a bunch of other reasons as well... Overall pretty well. He was terrible at getting the play in on time, especially terrible at the two minute offense letting Taylor run the offense himself, terrible at insisting on getting the ball into Watkins hands. Taylor was running Romans offense how he was taught to run it. Roman had to insist that he throw to Sammy more. And Rex should have insisted Roman do it when he didn't. It was an enormous blunder the entire season. All good points... The lack of urgency and efficiency in clock management was well beyond frustrating at times...What happened at the end of the half yesterday should never, ever happen...Ever...That was a joke...And it's been going on all year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 wins after 15 games. Wins are a TEAM stat...not a QB stat It would be interesting to see what the same stats are for other QBs. I think it would also be interesting to see a chart of the percentage of throws to the areas of the field over the course of the 16 game season It seems to me that TT worked the sidelines pretty heavy early in the season......and started working the middle a lot more as the season went on. Just like productivity from working from the pocket......to my naked eye was not great in the beginning and throws improved as the season went on. I saw him climb the pocket on a play yesterday and make a great throw once again.......progression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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