Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: because FREEDOM No bull####, no games, just an honest question about your personal opinion. Do you, McGee (or whoever you are today) believe that every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: No bull####, no games, just an honest question about your personal opinion. Do you, McGee (or whoever you are today) believe that every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. How many scoops of ice cream will this perfect world guarantee each citizen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, GG said: How many scoops of ice cream will this perfect world guarantee each citizen? 69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: but not if they put up a Honduran flag or call themselves Honduran-Americans! because FREEDOM You must duck a lot what with everything flying over your head. My waving the Honduran flag example was simply a euphemism for not buying in to true citizenship here or assimilating. Maybe you should find a place to post that isn't so hard for you, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 People ARE becoming Americans Another Democrat Narrative Blown: Number Of New Citizens Hits 5-Year High Under Trump Administration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. It's not perfect land though. I'm talking about reality. Today, right now, do you believe that every one in the world has a right to be an American citizen whenever they so choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: It's not perfect land though. I'm talking about reality. Today, right now, do you believe that every one in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: YoMy waving the Honduran flag example was simply a euphemism for not buying in to true citizenship here or assimilating. Do you get this aggravated at the St. Patrick's Day Parade when Irish-Americans proudly wave Irish flags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. So you do not believe in borders or national sovereignty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: So you do not believe in borders or national sovereignty? I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. How can you reconcile both the belief in a nation's borders and sovereignty with the fact you also believe anyone, at any time, for any reason, can and should be allowed to enter the country and claim citizenship? They're incompatible notions, are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: How can you reconcile both the belief in a nation's borders and sovereignty with the fact you also believe anyone, at any time, for any reason, can and should be allowed to enter the country and claim citizenship? They're incompatible notions, are they not? Why would anyone want to immigrate anywhere if they're incompatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Why would anyone want to immigrate anywhere if they're incompatible? We're not talking legal immigration, wherein people apply and go through a process to become citizens. That system already exists and I fully support it despite its flaws. But it's a system, based on laws determined and voted on by the people of the United States, and it's a process that rejects candidates as well as accepts them. That's not what I was asking your opinion on. I was asking your opinion about whether anyone in the world (the real world, not ideal world) can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. Unless I'm misunderstanding your opinion (still not trying to trap you or play games, trying to genuinely understand your position), you do not believe anyone should be denied citizenship -- which makes the concept of borders and national sovereignty moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: We're not talking legal immigration, wherein people apply and go through a process to become citizens. That system already exists and I fully support it despite its flaws. But it's a system, based on laws determined and voted on by the people of the United States, and it's a process that rejects candidates as well as accepts them. That's not what I was asking your opinion on. I was asking your opinion about whether anyone in the world (the real world, not ideal world) can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. Unless I'm misunderstanding your opinion (still not trying to trap you or play games, trying to genuinely understand your position), you do not believe anyone should be denied citizenship -- which makes the concept of borders and national sovereignty moot. The real not ideal world? Yes - and it's definitely not ideal Edited June 4, 2019 by McGee Return TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: The real not ideal world? Yes - and it's definitely not ideal ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. Do you get this aggravated at the St. Patrick's Day Parade when Irish-Americans proudly wave Irish flags? Of course not. I have no problem with celebrating Cinco de Mayo either. I already explained to you, you obtuse pos that waving the Honduran flag was a euphemism for not assimilating. Regardless, you are a shittyposter who I really don't care to discuss anything with. 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? You are wasting your time with that nitwit. I rarely respond to him but sometimes one needs to take a dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. Doesn't answer the question, does it? Like getting 69 scoops of ice cream and insisting that you don't get fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. What other fundamental rights exist in this perfect land of yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? Yes that anyone can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. That is not ideal, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Yes that anyone can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. That is not ideal, though. First, I do appreciate taking the time to have an actual conversation Second (and third and fourth), if you do believe that people should be free to become American citizens whenever they wish without a system or legal process -- what role do you believe nation states play in our world today? Do they have any sovereignty? Should they be able to defend and secure their borders or interests? Or do you believe that nation states are defunct and we now live (or should live) in a completely globalist society? And if that's your opinion (please correct me if any of the above is wrong or needs expounding), who sets the agenda for the global community? Who makes the rules and laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: First, I do appreciate taking the time to have an actual conversation Second (and third and fourth), if you do believe that people should be free to become American citizens whenever they wish without a system or legal process -- what role do you believe nation states play in our world today? Do they have any sovereignty? Should they be able to defend and secure their borders or interests? Or do you believe that nation states are defunct and we now live (or should live) in a completely globalist society? And if that's your opinion (please correct me if any of the above is wrong or needs expounding), who sets the agenda for the global community? Who makes the rules and laws? You think this is an actual conversation he's having? He just said that US citizenship conveys to anyone born on the planet Earth, and they're only prevented from benefiting from that citizenship by borders. How the hell is he having an "actual conversation?" 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: First, I do appreciate taking the time to have an actual conversation Second (and third and fourth), if you do believe that people should be free to become American citizens whenever they wish without a system or legal process -- what role do you believe nation states play in our world today? Do they have any sovereignty? Should they be able to defend and secure their borders or interests? Or do you believe that nation states are defunct and we now live (or should live) in a completely globalist society? And if that's your opinion (please correct me if any of the above is wrong or needs expounding), who sets the agenda for the global community? Who makes the rules and laws? Subtle Edit: I believe people have the right to be not that they should be free to become American citizens. That right, though, comes with a myriad of complications depending on that individuals personal reason for wanting to live in America. For me, it's difficult to have a blanket opinion on every single illegal immigrant because of their personal experiences in coming to America. I do not believe we live in a completely globalist society nor should we at this stage of history. Globalism is a Utopia and we all know how Utopias turn out. Nation states should however work together to try to better the planet we live on and encourage peace. They should defend their borders and interests but also show compassion to immigrants. 24 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He just said that US citizenship conveys to anyone born on the planet Earth, and they're only prevented from benefiting from that citizenship by borders. I also think you have the right to move to Eritrea. Give it a shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Some people are incapable of differentiating illegal aliens from legal immigrants. They also believe in: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Trump's Tariff Gambit by Marc Scaringi Original Article President Trump’s threat to impose tariffs on all Mexican imports until Mexico takes serious action to control its border with the U.S. shocked the Washington Beltway, Wall Street, and the Palacio Nacional in Mexico City. These centers of financial and political power, lulled by a U.S. Congress that has refused to act and activist federal judges who have stymied Trump’s border control efforts at every step, were jolted awake by Trump’s ultimatum. But they should not have been surprised. The president issued a similar threat back in April. And, Trump promised from day one of his presidential campaign that he would make stanching the flow of illegal immigration, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Trump's Tariff Gambit by Marc Scaringi Original Article President Trump’s threat to impose tariffs on all Mexican imports until Mexico takes serious action to control its border with the U.S. shocked the Washington Beltway, Wall Street, and the Palacio Nacional in Mexico City. These centers of financial and political power, lulled by a U.S. Congress that has refused to act and activist federal judges who have stymied Trump’s border control efforts at every step, were jolted awake by Trump’s ultimatum. But they should not have been surprised. The president issued a similar threat back in April. And, Trump promised from day one of his presidential campaign that he would make stanching the flow of illegal immigration, He's only got a few cards to play (sanctions and tariffs), and with our do-nothing Congress (for the last ummm 50 years) not taking the illegal situation seriously, I am not sure how much more he can do. And now the House voted last night to make a bazillion people who broke the law citizens, and not to be one-upped, the Senate has their own version. I "think" both are vetoed without wall funding, and a serious plan to stop the illegals from entering the US. It's almost as if Congress wants people to break our laws. Hmmm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Glad to see the House Democrats passed a Dreamer bill to give them citizenship. Our pro-life President just wants them deported away from family, jobs, home and their communities back to places that these people have barley known. And for what? Politics? That's evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Glad to see the House Democrats passed a Dreamer bill to give them citizenship. Our pro-life President just wants them deported away from family, jobs, home and their communities back to places that these people have barley known. And for what? Politics? That's evil Savage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Quick Reminder.............................for those blind posters here: On 6/4/2019 at 12:11 PM, B-Man said: People ARE becoming Americans Another Democrat Narrative Blown: Number Of New Citizens Hits 5-Year High Under Trump Administration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Glad to see the House Democrats passed a Dreamer bill to give them citizenship. Our pro-life President just wants them deported away from family, jobs, home and their communities back to places that these people have barley known. And for what? Politics? That's evil Barley is well known in Mexico: https://www.statista.com/statistics/911031/mexico-barley-production-volume/ Mexico: barley production volume 2012-2018 Production of barley in Mexico from 2012 to 2018 (in 1,000 metric tons) This statistic shows the production volume of barley in Mexico from 2012 to 2018. In 2018, the production of barley in Mexico reached over one million metric tons, slightly down from the amount produced a year earlier. Production of barley in Mexico from 2012 to 2018 (in 1,000 metric tons) Created with Highcharts 5.0.14Volume in thousand metric tons1 0321 0325945948468467357359789781 0041 0041 0001 0002012201320142015201620172018 02004006008001 0001 200 2014 • 846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 16 hours ago, McGee Return TD said: Savage so don't come. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Historic number of illegals flood southern border... Record setting 55,000 children caught... Feds buying MILLIONS of diapers... El Paso Immigration Center Dangerously Overcrowded... (but make sure they get soccer...............or you're a savage) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Foxx said: so don't come. Children are already here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KRC Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ooooh...Ooooh. I got this one. The difference between illegal and legal immigrants: The illegals are the ones Democrats want to give all the free stuff to, paid for by the legals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 10 hours ago, B-Man said: Historic number of illegals flood southern border... Record setting 55,000 children caught... Feds buying MILLIONS of diapers... El Paso Immigration Center Dangerously Overcrowded... (but make sure they get soccer...............or you're a savage) There's a bad mumps epidemic in one of the centers now. Unvaccinated children bringing it in, spreading amongst them. I saw three stories blaming Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1136876192039165952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hedge Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) Regarding the "secret" deal with Mexico: Trump shows off 'secret' Mexico document but photos reveal contents An enhanced picture (full disclosure, this is stored on an 8chan server. It is only a picture of the letter, however, you will not see anything else) Below are the readable text sections when enhanced: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mexico also commits to imme— —domestic laws and regulations with a view to identifying any changes— —to bring into force and implement such an agreement. If the United States determines, at its discretion and after consultation with Mexico, after 45 calendar days from the date of the issuance of the Join Declaration, that the measures adopted by the Government of Mexico pursuant to the Joint Declaration have not sufficiently achieved results in addressing the flow of migrants to the southern border of the United States, the Government of Mexico will take all necessary steps under domestic law to bring the agreement into force with a view to ensuring that the agreement will enter into force within 45 days. Signed on this 7th of June, 2019 in Washington, D.C. by: —————— (signature unreadable) —————— (signature unreadable) Edited June 12, 2019 by Hedge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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