Refugee Crisis in the U. S. (?)

[Deranged Rhino]

44 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's just odd to me that Trump's policies has improved border security to the point it's the lowest in 15 years and now he's sending the National Guard there which kind of minimizes that accomplishment.  

 

There's more than meets the eye here. It's not about immigration alone. Think trafficking.

[Tiberius]

Trump back to his racist stereotyping and scapegoating of immigrants. He's throwing around rape allegations, crime wave hysteria 

Cato has found this to be more lies and misinformation 

 

 

“Empirical studies of immigrant criminality generally find that immigrants do not increase local crime rates and are less likely to cause crime than their native-born peers, and that natives are more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants. . . . The incarceration rate was 1.53 percent for natives, 0.85 percent for illegal immigrants, and 0.47 percent for legal immigrants.”)

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-reform-bulletin/criminal-immigrants-their-numbers-demographics-countries

[B-Man]

 Arizona Supreme Court strikes down in-state tuition for ‘dreamers.’

[Tiberius]

7. RULE OF LAW

4 hours ago

SCOTUS Strikes Down Part of Law Requiring Deportation of Immigrant Felons

 

 

 

 

REUTERS/JONATHAN ERNST

 

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a statute requiring the deportation of noncitizens who commit felonies is “unlawfully vague” on Tuesday, with Justice Neil Gorsuch siding with four liberal justices, according to Reuters. The case involved James Garcia Dimaya, a legal immigrant from the Philippines who was convicted of burglary in California. The Justice Department sought to deport him, claiming that his burglary was a “crime of violence.” A lower court ruled in 2015 that Dimaya’s deportation “created uncertainty over which crimes may be considered violent," and that decision was upheld by the Supreme Court. The case was originally heard in January 2017, before Gorsuch was sworn-in, and was decided in June when all the seats in the court had been filled.

 

READ IT AT REUTERS

[Koko78]

Gee, a guy who was put on the bench to uphold the Constitution is actually upholding the Constitution.

 

What a shock!

[Nanker]

We’ve had a very long history of military involvement on the Mexican border. We had a war with them, Pancho Villa and his la cucaracha we’re a huge PIA.

We invaded that shithole country. About six Presidents sent troops to, at, near, or over that !@#$ing damned border. As Stokley Carmichael might say, sending troops there is as American as cherry pie. 

[Cinga]

Apparently the Koch brothers have re-aligned themselves. In favor of DACA, looks like they are Democrats after all. WOndfering aloud if all the liberals will now take back all the names they have called them over the years... :-)

[Tiberius]

YES!!

 

 

 

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A District of Columbia federal court judge, an appointee of President George W. Bush, held on Tuesday that the rescission of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) “was arbitrary and capricious because the Department [of Homeland Security] failed adequately to explain its conclusion that the program was unlawful. Neither the meager legal reasoning nor the assessment of litigation risk provided by DHS to support its rescission decision is sufficient to sustain termination of the DACA program.” DACA was ordered to be reinstated, and DHS must “accept and process new as well as renewal DACA applications.”

 

[B-Man]

I'm sure there are plenty of legal arguments,

 

but the idea that one president can unilaterally enact policy

 

and yet the next one has to explain himself to the courts when undoing that same policy seems highly political.

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

I'm sure there are plenty of legal arguments,

 

but the idea that one president can unilaterally enact policy

 

and yet the next one has to explain himself to the courts when undoing that same policy seems highly political.

 

A Bush judge, so...

As to your argument of one president enacting and the other subtracting, the court found that Trump's arguments, well Sessions, were simply arbitrary and capricious--political??--and gave them 90 days to show the original order violated law. So they can come back and say the law violates law, but the court justly ruled, basically, that Sessions was just trying to f u c ^ over these people because, and that was not good reason. 

[Deranged Rhino]

"A Bush judge"...

 

Said by someone who still doesn't understand where the battle lines have been drawn. 

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"A Bush judge"...

 

Said by someone who still doesn't understand where the battle lines have been drawn. 

No! I do understand, I'm sorry, I forgot.

 

These damn globalists! These deep staters! Trump is trying to Make America Great Again and this fifth column is trying to turn us into Kenya! Just because I totally 100% believe these Dreamers and immigrants in general are way way better people than the lazy people that put Trump in the WH doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy of insiders, career officials and HILLARY trying to make us Kenya

[3rdnlng]

49 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"A Bush judge"...

 

Said by someone who still doesn't understand where the battle lines have been drawn. 

What does the fact that she is a female have to do with things? Besides we've grown away from terms like that.

[TakeYouToTasker]

[Cinga]

This judge needs impeached for ignorance.... Since when does an Executive Order override a law? And since when does an executive who changes said unconstitutional and illegal law have to explain why he did it?\

 

Here's an idea... Drag Obama's ass back in to explain WHY his executive order was legal? How bout we start there?

[DC Tom]

22 minutes ago, Cinga said:

This judge needs impeached for ignorance.... Since when does an Executive Order override a law? And since when does an executive who changes said unconstitutional and illegal law have to explain why he did it?\

 

Here's an idea... Drag Obama's ass back in to explain WHY his executive order was legal? How bout we start there?

 

That's not an accurate accounting of the ignorance:

 

1) It's not an executive order.  It's a goddamn DHS memo written by Napolitano.

2) The memo explicitly says it's an exercise in prosecutorial discretion.  It's the title of the memo: "Exercising Prosetcuorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children".

 

Someone please explain to me how the **** does a judge decide that it's illegal for prosecutorial discretion to be altered?  What's more, the memo explicitly states:

 

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This memorandum confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights. It remains for the executive branch, however, to set forth policy for the exercise of discretion within the framework of the existing law. I have done so here.

 

So how in the ever-loving !@#$ can a judge decide that a memo that is predicated on the exercise of discretion by the executive branch under the framework of existing law cannot legally be rescinded by the executive branch exercising discretion under the existing law?

[Tiberius]

30 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That's not an accurate accounting of the ignorance:

 

1) It's not an executive order.  It's a goddamn DHS memo written by Napolitano.

2) The memo explicitly says it's an exercise in prosecutorial discretion.  It's the title of the memo: "Exercising Prosetcuorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children".

 

Someone please explain to me how the **** does a judge decide that it's illegal for prosecutorial discretion to be altered?  What's more, the memo explicitly states:

 

 

So how in the ever-loving !@#$ can a judge decide that a memo that is predicated on the exercise of discretion by the executive branch under the framework of existing law cannot legally be rescinded by the executive branch exercising discretion under the existing law?

Oh brother! The dunce loser is trying to interpret the law and precedence 

 

Go have another beer and read Dear Abby 

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"A Bush judge"...

 

Said by someone who still doesn't understand where the battle lines have been drawn. 

 

Amen.

 

But he also used the Bush Judge silliness as a shield to ignore the common sense in my reply.

 

Who the judge was doesn't enter into it, but with gator's shallowness, you come to expect that kind of reply.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cinga said:

This judge needs impeached for ignorance.... Since when does an Executive Order override a law? And since when does an executive who changes said unconstitutional and illegal law have to explain why he did it?\

 

Here's an idea... Drag Obama's ass back in to explain WHY his executive order was legal? How bout we start there?

 

 

Exactly the point sir.

 

EO, or prosecutorial discretion............its not a law.

 

That's what Gator keeps missing...........................it is not the judge..............it is the bad decision

 

 

 

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Edited April 25, 2018 by B-Man

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Amen.

 

But he also used the Bush Judge silliness as a shield to ignore the common sense in my reply.

 

Who the judge was doesn't enter into it, but with gator's shallowness, you come to expect that kind of reply.

 

 

 

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Exactly the point sir.

But then how is your point valid that it was political if it was a Republican appointed judge? 

[DC Tom]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But then how is your point valid that it was political if it was a Republican appointed judge? 

 

That does not preclude the judge from being an idiot.  

 

What you fail to understand is that most people aren't raging partisan dipshits like yourself.  We read that and see horrible decision from the bench and nothing else.  YOU see a Republican judge and nothing else.  Stop projecting your raging partisan dipshittery on everyone else.

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That does not preclude the judge from being an idiot.  

 

What you fail to understand is that most people aren't raging partisan dipshits like yourself.  We read that and see horrible decision from the bench and nothing else.  YOU see a Republican judge and nothing else.  Stop projecting your raging partisan dipshittery on everyone else.

Please stop that. You acting as if you are not a far right wing zealot tricks no one. Unless of course you actually think you are a fair and balanced thinker? Which is complete hogwash. 

[DC Tom]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Please stop that. You acting as if you are not a far right wing zealot tricks no one. Unless of course you actually think you are a fair and balanced thinker? Which is complete hogwash. 

 

This is exactly the raging partisan dipshittery projection I'm talking about.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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[row_33]

On 2018-04-25 at 2:44 PM, DC Tom said:

 

That does not preclude the judge from being an idiot.  

 

What you fail to understand is that most people aren't raging partisan dipshits like yourself.  We read that and see horrible decision from the bench and nothing else.  YOU see a Republican judge and nothing else.  Stop projecting your raging partisan dipshittery on everyone else.

 

The GOP often sends up judges who don’t have a conservative bone or fat cell in their existence. They believe in freedom of thought and conscience, and we often get a Souter appointed to high courts.

 

Four decades of packing the courts and nowhere near overturning abortion laws, no comment on the end-game of this, just an observation.....

 

 

Edited May 2, 2018 by row_33

[Tiberius]

 

 

A small group of Republicans has launched an effort to sidestep House Speaker Paul D. Ryan and put immigration legislation on the House floor this year in a bid to secure protections for young undocumented immigrants.

Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.) filed a discharge petitionWednesday morning that, if signed by a majority of House members, would force votes on a series of immigration bills under a so-called “queen of the hill” rule. Whichever of those bills receives the most votes, exceeding a majority, would pass the House — a setup that is calibrated to secure passage of a bipartisan compromise.

By Wednesday afternoon, 16 more Republicans had also signed the discharge petition Wednesday alongside Curbelo. Most, but not all, represent swing districts with significant Latino constituencies or are retiring from the House.

The backers of the petition said that they could no longer wait for Ryan (R-Wis.) and other House leaders to try to forge consensus on an immigration bill that could pass with only Republican support.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/05/09/renegade-republicans-challenge-paul-ryan-file-discharge-petition-to-force-immigration-votes/?utm_term=.c66ae0080d3d

[Tiberius]

 

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House advocates for moderate immigration policies stood at the cusp of forcing votes on bills that would give young undocumented immigrants a pathway to U.S. citizenship — even as President Trump threatened to veto any legislation that did not hew to his hard-line views.

Backers of a “discharge” petition that would spark an immigration debate over the wishes of House Republican leaders stood five signatures short of reaching the necessary 218 after two Republicans and six Democrats added their names Thursday.

They signed as conservative and moderate Republicans negotiated with House leaders to avert the discharge — and hours after Trump responded to the effort by pledging to veto any bill that does not build “a real wall” along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-immigration-rebels-push-forward-after-trump-promises-to-veto-any-bill-without-wall-funding/2018/05/24/4acd7806-5f5c-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html?utm_term=.55b98c1404b8

 

 

[Nanker]

Sources in California say that radical Muslims are planning to kill every U.S. citizen in Los Angeles. 
 
Police officials fear the death toll could be as high as 9.

[IDBillzFan]

As good a place as any to drop this.

 

The Murder That Changed Germany

[B-Man]

MSNBC may not be good for much, but at least it’s generally good for a chuckle or two.

 

Case in point, Ali Velshi, who has apparently had an epiphany of sorts:

 

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Katy Tur

✔ @KatyTurNBC

 

> @AliVelshi is reading straight from the bible right now on @msnbc regarding immigration. Must watch.

11:23 AM - Jun 15, 2018

 

 

 

Who does Ali Velshi think he’s fooling? Besides his fellow liberals, that is.

 

Gotta love the Left’s sudden interest in the Bible when it’s politically expedient.

 

 

 

.https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/06/15/what-is-the-point-msnbcs-ali-velshi-beclowns-himself-with-this-shameless-immigration-stunt-pic/

[B-Man]

During an overwrought panel discussion on Friday’s MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle, former Barack Obama campaign staffer Stephanie Cutter and political analyst Michael Steele took turns comparing illegal immigrant detention centers along the U.S. southern border to Nazi death camps.

 

“We can’t find a solution to this problem without harming children? Without putting them into concentration camps?,” Cutter pleaded. Steele doubled down on the extreme rhetoric: “I call this a concentration camp for kids because that’s exactly what it’s turning out to [be]. When you give kids 22 hours of lockup time and two hours of air time, what else can it be?”

 

—“MSNBC Accuses Trump of Creating ‘Concentration Camps’; Warns: ‘Your Kids Could Be Next,’” NewsBusters, today.

 

 

 

 

 

FORGETTING SOMEONE? Stephen Colbert et al. get some HARSH reminders about ‘inhumane’ treatment of illegal immigrant families

 

 

 

 

Trump Will Not ‘Sign the More Moderate’ Immigration Bill in the House

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

The projection is off the charts on this issue by many, many, many in the media and past administrations. 

 

Now they care about kids. 

 

Just not enough to do anything about trafficking for the past 16 (+) years... wonder why that is.

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The projection is off the charts on this issue by many, many, many in the media and past administrations. 

 

Now they care about kids. 

 

Just not enough to do anything about trafficking for the past 16 (+) years... wonder why that is.

Because of the conspiracy, obviously! Spin us a nice yarn for a Friday afternoon! Bring Pizzagate in and you earn bonus points! 

[B-Man]

There Kamala Harris goes again, pretending ‘we’ made a promise to the so-called Dreamers when in fact we did no such thing.

 

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Kamala Harris

✔ @KamalaHarris

 

DACA was first announced six years ago today. We as a country gave these kids, Dreamers, a promise that we would not deport them — but this Administration has broken that promise. I won’t stop fighting until they have the security they need to live up to their full potential.

1:44 PM - Jun 15, 2018

 

 

 

Kamala.

 

Obama made this ‘promise.’

 

Americans did not.

 

And in fact, we could take this a step further and point out that in making them this promise, Obama literally set them up to fail.

 

If Democrats really cared about immigration reform they had two full years to do something about it when they had a super majority, but oh no, they were more concerned with jacking up our healthcare system.

 

 

 

It was a deferment........................ As in..........a delay.

 

This was done to give Congress some time and motivation to come up with a more permanent fix.

 

They failed to do that (shock, I know) and now 1 judge in Texas can strike it right down because your party refused the deal.

 

Stop acting.

 

 

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[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

There Kamala Harris goes again, pretending ‘we’ made a promise to the so-called Dreamers when in fact we did no such thing.

 

 

 

Kamala.

 

Obama made this ‘promise.’

 

Americans did not.

 

And in fact, we could take this a step further and point out that in making them this promise, Obama literally set them up to fail.

 

If Democrats really cared about immigration reform they had two full years to do something about it when they had a super majority, but oh no, they were more concerned with jacking up our healthcare system.

 

 

 

It was a deferment........................ As in..........a delay.

 

This was done to give Congress some time and motivation to come up with a more permanent fix.

 

They failed to do that (shock, I know) and now 1 judge in Texas can strike it right down because your party refused the deal.

 

Stop acting.

 

 

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Her tweet is everything that's wrong with DACA: Democrats mendaciously portraying it as a law that grants legal rights, when they know it's nothing of the sort.

[IDBillzFan]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

There Kamala Harris goes again, pretending ‘we’ made a promise to the so-called Dreamers when in fact we did no such thing..

 

Keep up the good work, Kamala. You're really stepping up and America needs you to grab the 2020 ring and take back the WH.

 

Sincerely,

 

Trump/Pence 2020 Campaign.

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Her tweet is everything that's wrong with DACA: Democrats mendaciously portraying it as a law that grants legal rights, when they know it's nothing of the sort.

 

 

[KD in CA]

On 6/14/2018 at 12:50 PM, LABillzFan said:

As good a place as any to drop this.

 

The Murder That Changed Germany

 

That's just more hate speech.

[Nanker]

4 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

That's just more hate speech.

And raycis. 

[LeviF]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12618/germany-press-freedom

 

In an apparent attempt to sweep under the rug a recent double homicide in Hamburg, Germany, authorities there censored the story. They also raided the apartments of a witness who filmed a video describing the murder, and a blogger who posted the video on YouTube.

The murder, which made headlinesworldwide, occurred on the morning of April 12. The assailant, Mourtala Madou, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Niger, stabbed his German ex-girlfriend, identified as Sandra P., and their one-year-old daughter, Miriam, at a Hamburg subway station. The child died at the scene; her mother died later, at the hospital. The woman's three-year-old son witnessed the murders.

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, LeviF91 said:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12618/germany-press-freedom

 

Raided the home of a witness and the blogger who posted the witness accounts to keep the truth from getting out?

 

That's all so very Kamala Harris of them.