CountDorkula Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm fine with the Dareus contract, remember our cap will be ever increasing. I'm just worried about the effectiveness of Mario and Kyle over the next couple of years. I have a feeling one of those guys is not here next year. Also, yes on QB in the first. Hopefully Paxton Lynch declares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see our biggest needs as OL (Henderson needs upgraded, maybe Wood too), big physical WR (we have a bunch of smurfs), DE/DT (long term Mario/Kyle replacement) I'd like to sign Kaep (knows the Roman system, fits Tyrod's style) and draft a guy like Prescott / Brissett / Boykin in the 4th-5th round (aka a project who can move around similar to Tyrod-Kaep). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see our biggest needs as OL (Henderson needs upgraded, maybe Wood too), big physical WR (we have a bunch of smurfs), DE/DT (long term Mario/Kyle replacement) I'd like to sign Kaep (knows the Roman system, fits Tyrod's style) and draft a guy like Prescott / Brissett / Boykin in the 4th-5th round (aka a project who can move around similar to Tyrod-Kaep). These rarely, if ever work. If you are going to take a QB, take one that has a chance at making a difference, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Yeah, go QB in the first regardless of quality. Makes total sense. Even EJ Manual and JP Losman agree that desperate times call for desperate measures and over-drafting a player based on need is the best approach. If the player is legitimately a first round talent and drops to you, that's one thing. But picking one for the sake of picking one is flat out moronic. I keep harping on the supply and demand problem because it's clear that the supply of franchise QBs is, eayr after year, well below demand. Would you have $60,000 for a Ford Focus because you want a BMW? Here's you list of first round QBs the 5 years prior to the current (we certainly can't judge Mariota and Winston on 10 games, see: Griffin, Robert).. See a lot of success in the "gotta take a QB in the first" approach, in particular not at #1? Some of these guys I don't think are in the league anymore. Locker isn't and the Titans passed on JJ Watt to take him. It's a fool errand to pick one in the first just out of need. The probability of a total failure is high. In fact, there are only two guys on this list I'd be comfortable with right now... Luck and Newton. The second tier might be Tannehill and Bridgewater, not exactly great options. Blake Bortles Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater EJ Manuel Andrew Luck Robert Griffin Ryan Tannehill Brandon Weeden Cam Newton Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Edited November 25, 2015 by zonabb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah, go QB in the first regardless of quality. Makes total sense. Even EJ Manual and JP Losman agree that desperate times call for desperate measures and over-drafting a player based on need is the best approach. If the player is legitimately a first round talent and drops to you, that's one thing. But picking one for the sake of picking one is flat out moronic. I keep harping on the supply and demand problem because it's clear that the supply of franchise QBs is, eayr after year, well below demand. Would you have $60,000 for a Ford Focus because you want a BMW? Here's you list of first round QBs the 5 years prior to the current (we certainly can't judge Mariota and Winston on 10 games, see: Griffin, Robert).. See a lot of success in the "gotta take a QB in the first" approach, in particular not at #1? Some of these guys I don't think are in the league anymore. Locker isn't and the Titans passed on JJ Watt to take him. It's a fool errand to pick one in the first just out of need. The probability of a total failure is high. In fact, there are only two guys on this list I'd be comfortable with right now... Luck and Newton. The second tier might be Tannehill and Bridgewater, not exactly great options. Blake Bortles Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater EJ Manuel Andrew Luck Robert Griffin Ryan Tannehill Brandon Weeden Cam Newton Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Sam Bradford Tim Tebow So we should just not draft one and do what we have been doing? That has worked so well. And just because EJ did not work, does not mean the next guy wont. Next you'll tell me we cant draft any Qb's from USC, LSU or ND cause those guys never work out We should also draft whoever is playing QB from Michigan or Tennessee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 We should also draft whoever is playing QB from Michigan or Tennessee Close...Michigan State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Don't reach for one. We've got holes all over the roster. Grab an OLB or DT for our 3-4 defense. Grab some Oline help. Wherever there's good value. Sure we could use a better QB - but so could every team that drafts ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Close...Michigan State. I was making reference to the Best Qb's to play the game came out of Michigan and Tennesee. Connor Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was making reference to the Best Qb's to play the game came out of Michigan and Tennesee. Connor Cook. I knew exactly what you were doing. I was referencing the best QB in college football right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 EJ has nothing to do with this discussion. Really? Our backup QB has nothing to do with the discussion about whether to draft a QB in round 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Really? Our backup QB has nothing to do with the discussion about whether to draft a QB in round 1? No, It has nothing to do with if we draft a QB in the first round being good or not. EJ wasnt = Never draft a first round QB again apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 These rarely, if ever work. If you are going to take a QB, take one that has a chance at making a difference, Too much talent elsewhere in this draft to force a QB pick in the teens. If Cook / Goff / Lynch pass the NFL smell test they'll be gone well before we pick. If they don't, then why are we taking them over superior prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The fanbase has nothing to do with who starts at QB. The argument that we can't draft a QB because the fans are impatient is completely ludicrous. He wasn't blaming the fanbase. He's saying the fanbase is impatient, which is 100% true. Edited November 25, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If there is a talented guy available then yes. I would not reach for one like we've done in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Not if they make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Too much talent elsewhere in this draft to force a QB pick in the teens. If Cook / Goff / Lynch pass the NFL smell test they'll be gone well before we pick. If they don't, then why are we taking them over superior prospects? Pass the NFL smell test? Great QBs have been drafted all over the place. Teams are always getting it wrong. If one of those guys is there when the Bills pick and they have a first-round grade on him, there's nothing wrong with drafting him. Something's wrong with fans who immediately label that a "forced pick." They're going to set up their board the same way as every other year. There will likely be a number of QBs towards the top. If one of those guys is there when they pick, they'll pull the trigger. Don't just assume they reached for a guy, based on your own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Too much talent elsewhere in this draft to force a QB pick in the teens. If Cook / Goff / Lynch pass the NFL smell test they'll be gone well before we pick. If they don't, then why are we taking them over superior prospects? Bridgewater and Carr made it that far. The theory of the overdrafted QBs is so overstated it's almost a myth. Edited November 25, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 He wasn't blaming the fanbase. He's saying the fanbase is impatient, which is 100% true. As if we shouldn't be. Had they put legitimate effort into finding a QB, this team would be better than mediocre. This bargain bin QB approach hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Bridgewater and Carr made it that far. The theory of the overdrafted QBs is so overstated it's almost a myth. I think it was true a few years ago.... Gabbert, Locker, Ponder and Weedon were all top 10 (or thereabouts) picks in a period of a couple of years and are now either backups or out of the league. Equally Tannehill (I know he has his fans on this board - I am not one) was probably overdrafted where the Dolphins took him though he has proven to be an adequate starting QB. In the three drafts since then only 3 QBs have gone in the top 10 in 3 years and two of those were Winston and Mariota who I think most people shared the consensus view on that they were deserving of those picks. Bridgewater slid further than he should (he should have gone middle of the first... there was a team who picked a QB at #22 for example...) and Carr for me was a back end of the first type who slid to the 2nd. There is simply no hard and fast rule.... sometimes good guys go back of the 1st even though there are QB needy teams before that... other times everyone reaches and anyone worth having goes early.... sometimes a stud slips to the 3rd like Wilson.... it is just too up and down to generalise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Licata is so meh its not even funny What happened to Cook!!! injured his shoulder, so hopefully that drops him to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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