Carucci: Disconnect exists between DL and scheme

[Lurker]

You said he was trying for click bait;

"It’s too early and would be way too presumptuous to conclude that his scheme, which has a sterling record for success from his days as a defensive coordinator in Baltimore and the previous six years he spent coaching the New York Jets, won’t work here."

 

Full stop. Everything else in that article is in fact click bait. Yolo's posting the defensive stats from the first four games in 2014 and 2015 was way more interesting / informative. Vic could have easily done that...or talkied about how the DL was just as inneffective against Rivers and Brady last year and yet the season turned out alright.

 

Instead, he rips a page from Sully and the Buckster's playbook and phones it in...

Edited October 8, 2015 by Lurker

[dave mcbride]

"It’s too early and would be way too presumptuous to conclude that his scheme, which has a sterling record for success from his days as a defensive coordinator in Baltimore and the previous six years he spent coaching the New York Jets, won’t work here."[/size]

 

Full stop. Everything else in that article is in fact click bait. Yolo's posting the defensive stats from the first four games lin 2014 and 2015 was way more interesting / informative. Vic could have easily done that...or talkied about how the DL was just as inneffective against Rivers and Brady last year and yet the season turned out alright. [/size]

 

Instead, he rips a page from Sully and the Buckster's playbook and phones it in...[/size]

I disagree for a variety of reasons, the most important of which is his ability to get 3 of 4 d-linemen on record. And do really think carucci, who is essentially moving back home to buffalo, is worried about clicks? Come on.

[FireChan]

"It’s too early and would be way too presumptuous to conclude that his scheme, which has a sterling record for success from his days as a defensive coordinator in Baltimore and the previous six years he spent coaching the New York Jets, won’t work here."

 

Full stop. Everything else in that article is in fact click bait. Yolo's posting the defensive stats from the first four games in 2014 and 2015 was way more interesting / informative. Vic could have easily done that...or talkied about how the DL was just as inneffective against Rivers and Brady last year and yet the season turned out alright.

 

Instead, he rips a page from Sully and the Buckster's playbook and phones it in...

AKA had the homer take. I guess he coulda done that.

Edited October 8, 2015 by FireChan

[Lurker]

do really think carucci, who is essentially moving back home to buffalo, is worried about clicks? Come on.

Everybody in the media biz worries about clicks.

 

To paraphrase Marv, if they're not they'll soon be sitting with the fans...

[Boatdrinks]

Brady isn't an outlier. That was a home game and an important one. If there is one game they had to play better, that was it. The scheme was badly exposed in that game by the bills' arch opponent. Let's not wish away the most important game of the season as an "outlier" ...

It was an outlier in that the QB is kind of unique, and that the" scheme" used vs NE was different than the others as they hardly blitzed and played off the WRs as well. Rex said that one was on him . I doubt they will do that in the rematch. I also doubt they will win because they haven't won in Foxboro ( last years joke show finale excluded) in about 15 years. And the biggest factor in that most important of games is that the Bills still don't have a QB anywhere near the caliber of the guy across the field.

[YoloinOhio]

I disagree for a variety of reasons, the most important of which is his ability to get 3 of 4 d-linemen on record. And do really think carucci, who is essentially moving back home to buffalo, is worried about clicks? Come on.

i only read it once but the only one of the 3 who seemed like he wanted to do something other than what he's being asked is Dareus. Kyle and Jerry both seemed to think they were in process of learning but didn't seem like they felt they were being misused. Dareus has no filter so not surprised he's talking about he just wants to do his thing. But IMO these coaches know what they are doing and for all the criticism of Rex letting the players run the show sure isn't the case here.

[dave mcbride]

It was an outlier in that the QB is kind of unique, and that the" scheme" used vs NE was different than the others as they hardly blitzed and played off the WRs as well. Rex said that one was on him . I doubt they will do that in the rematch. I also doubt they will win because they haven't won in Foxboro ( last years joke show finale excluded) in about 15 years. And the biggest factor in that most important of games is that the Bills still don't have a QB anywhere near the caliber of the guy across the field.

I get what you're trying to say, but in a 4-game sample, there are no outliers (especially if they're home games). As I said above, the TN game will show me a lot. TN is 5th in points per game and 9th in yards, which tells me something. They've played a soft schedule so far, but this is the sort of game in which the bills' defense and front seven in particular need to dominate.

i only read it once but the only one of the 3 who seemed like he wanted to do something other than what he's being asked is Dareus. Kyle and Jerry both seemed to think they were in process of learning but didn't seem like they felt they were being misused. Dareus has no filter so not surprised he's talking about he just wants to do his thing. But IMO these coaches know what they are doing and for all the criticism of Rex letting the players run the show sure isn't the case here.

For the record, i don't think rex is a bad defensive coach at all. I'm questioning the d-line production that I've seen on the tv screen so far. It's early--I know that. But seasons are played in quarters (according to nfl coaches), and this is a perfectly decent time to take stock. I also think the corner play has covered up a lot. It has been great. Ryan gets credit for it too, in my book. Edited October 8, 2015 by dave mcbride

[Lurker]

I get what you're trying to say, but in a 4-game sample, there are no outliers (especially if they're home games).

I guess Vic forgot about Week Three last year...

 

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/09/23/xs-os-breakdown-bills-defense-overwhelmed-chargers-passing-game/

[dave mcbride]

I guess Vic forgot about Week Three last year...

 

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/09/23/xs-os-breakdown-bills-defense-overwhelmed-chargers-passing-game/

I guess Vic forgot about Week Three last year...

 

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/09/23/xs-os-breakdown-bills-defense-overwhelmed-chargers-passing-game/

He focused on the weaknesses of the secondary in that piece from last season. He says so in the first sentence. This new piece wasn't about the secondary. It was about the front four. And it has nothing to do with outliers. Edited October 8, 2015 by dave mcbride

[Lurker]

He focused on the weaknesses of the secondary in that piece from last season. He says so in the first sentence. This new piece wasn't about the secondary. It was about the front four. And it has nothing to do with outliers.

Two sacks for -6 yards contributed to the secondary's inneffectiveness. Rivers did the same thing as Eli last week. Short, quick, move-the-chains passes (only one pass deep). Get ahead early and then hang on (four of SDs last five drives were 3-and-outs).

Edited October 8, 2015 by Lurker

[BADOLBILZ]

we didn't sack manning last year but still led the league in sacks right?

 

 

It's more about pressure than sacks.....they just aren't getting much.........though they are also on pace for an anemic showing in the sack department.

 

They simply aren't getting free from their blockers and fracturing/collapsing the pocket like they were last year.

[jr1]

"You have learned well, grasshopper"-Sensei Tim Graham to Vic

[IDBillzFan]

To say this line is a major dissapointment would be an understatement. Brady and Manning literally destroyed them!

We must have watched two different games, because Manning did a lot of things, but destroying the Bills defense wasn't one of them.

 

But hey...if it makes you feel better to overstate things...

 

Things may not be as good as you would like, but they're not nearly as bad as you and Carucci think they are.

[BADOLBILZ]

I'm going to assume that improves as they get more accustomed to the scheme, but it's frustrating to watch right now. People blame it on the QBs getting rid of the ball quick, but the pressure just isn't there. The QBs may be better served holding the ball longer TBH.

 

 

Maybe, but historically the pressure numbers from Rex's D's aren't what a lot of people think they are.

 

His kind of pressure has more traditionally been a free rushing blitzer when the QB and the OL think they have their bases covered in pass protection.

 

Those tend to be slower developing plays that take advantage of 5 and 7 step drops and THOSE situations are really limited when QB's throw very quickly.

 

This scheme just doesn't maximize the talent they have on the DL and he and Dennis Thurman need to fix that.

[The Frankish Reich]

Let's start with the simplest stat: snap counts. Q, What do they show? A. Rex has abandoned Schwartz's DL rotation.

 

Week 4 of 2014 vs. 2015 % of defensive downs played:

 

Hughes 51 % vs. 99 %

Mario 76 vs. 99

Kyle 40 vs. 89

Dareus 81 vs. 81

 

Other than Dareus, the starters are playing a lot more. Some of that (Hughes mostly) is from missing Jarius Wynn. But mostly it is Rex "fixing" what wasn't broken. The D line was fresh in the 2nd half last year; they wore down opponents' O lines. Not this year.

Edited October 8, 2015 by The Frankish Reich

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

 

It's more about pressure than sacks.....they just aren't getting much.........though they are also on pace for an anemic showing in the sack department.

 

They simply aren't getting free from their blockers and fracturing/collapsing the pocket like they were last year.

Weird that they are 8th in the NFL in pressure, but accordng to you they get none.

[BADOLBILZ]

Weird that they are 8th in the NFL in pressure, but accordng to you they get none.

 

 

What can I say? They are 8 times worse this year? Some people don't seem to realize the point here. Their pressure numbers are down and their yardage and points allowed are thru the roof.

 

Rex's D has always focused on run defense and congesting the middle of the field. That's why he needs corners who can take away outside receivers.

 

But by herding his elite pass rushers together tightly and putting them in unathletic starting positions he is making it easier for O-lines to slow them.

[buffalover4life]

 

I have to question whether you watched the INDY, MIA, and the second half of the NYG game with this post.. Not to mention the offense was stagnant for most of the NE game as well as the NYG game which did the defense no favors.. There's no way you can justify this thinking IMO.

 

@TheJoeMarino

Hearing "#Bills D isn't as good this year. Last year it was elite." Here's how they compare in 1st 4 games. #Relax

 

nice find on the first 4 games stats. I bet we can attribute many of those yards being accumulated by drives being kept alive by stupid penalties and garbage time for Indy and Miami as we started playing prevent in both of those games after the half.

Btw I think we are about to welcome mariota to the NFL, Rex Ryan style.

[Nihilarian]

 

 

The pass rush has been significantly muted.

 

And not just by the quick drops or just in the NE or NYG games.

 

Even when QB's are holding the ball they aren't getting to them as quickly as we've become accustomed for the past couple of seasons.

 

As you noted, the corner play has definitely been better and has covered up some for their uncharacteristic lack of push.

 

I've advocated spreading the DL out more to create wider OL splits and force blockers to defend our DL in space and make teams using the short passing game throw over or thru DL.

 

My guess is that Rex is not using that approach because it structurally weakens the run defense.

 

But that's why you PAID Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams.

 

The strength of Rex Ryan's D early on in NY was it's ability to create both solid run defense and pass rush without requiring exceptional talent on the DL.

 

Now he has a once-in-a-career type 4 man front and he is using them the same way he would any other assembly of talent.

 

We've seen coaches not cater their schemes to the talent at hand before, this is no different.

This! Good post.

Let's start with the simplest stat: snap counts. Q, What do they show? A. Rex has abandoned Schwartz's DL rotation.

 

Week 4 of 2014 vs. 2015 % of defensive downs played:

 

Hughes 51 % vs. 99 %

Mario 76 vs. 99

Kyle 40 vs. 89

Dareus 81 vs. 81

 

Other than Dareus, the starters are playing a lot more. Some of that (Hughes mostly) is from missing Jarius Wynn. But mostly it is Rex "fixing" what wasn't broken. The D line was fresh in the 2nd half last year; they wore down opponents' O lines. Not this year.

This makes a lot of sense.

[bbb]

He looks even better in his absence.

 

(Some people say similar things about me.)