bigK14094 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Watching him closely, he did have a few high throws......the picks after Clay and Watkins got hands on the ball were, I guess, to hot to handle....so he needs to throw with a little more finess. Having said that.....he didn't make a lot of bad throws.....EJ threw a lot more bad throws in his starts the prioir two years.....I am in no way ready to go back to EJ at this point. TT has been a more accurate passer than EJ by far. I am concerned however, that he looks like Rob Johnson in there...for those of you who remember....holding the ball to long ...8 sacks is indicative of trying to hard to make plays....throw it away!!! and avoid the sack. So, TT's completion percentage is abnormally high in the sense the sacks were negative plays while passing. Anyhow, I am all for rolling with TT...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Taylor did zip after the first drive until the Pats stopped playing for real in the fourth quarter. You and I both know that EJ Manuel will start again this year because Taylor is going to play his way back to the bench. The NFL is not built for small QBs who need throwing windows to see. It's built for big and tall QBs to see and hit their targets on time. Unfortunately, the only Bills QB that size and who did that this preseason wasn't even dressed for the game. say what? The Cheatriots stopped playing for real? They went for it on 4th and 1 with a 2 score lead. That is not playing for real? WOW Unlike the last game of the season they never let the foot off of the gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If this thread was about the reasons why we lost the game you would have an excellent point. As it stands however, you are pretty much saying that we can only discuss the merits of those perceived 20% of things. Personally I would like the ability to discuss all aspects of my beloved Bills on the Bills forum. Here you are discussing the situation...which is great. Unfortunately your earlier post was accusing all those who wanted to discuss TT's perceived flaws as being butthurt EJ fans (sic). No problem discuss away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Just throwing this out there cause I've seen some people use the term garbage time or when the game was out of reach. For the Bills when you're losing like that it's not "garbage" time. It's the teams job to score points and that's what the offense did. It didn't matter if the pats**** continued to press or back off on defense it's TT and the offense's job to put up points and they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Lets see how TT snaps back from the 2 INT, multi sack and fumbling game. It is only hos second NFL start (unofficially as MC took the starting snap last week) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Taylor looked over-matched and severely limited till the last few drives when Roman opened up the offense and McCoy got going a bit as well. Overall I liked how he snapped back throwing that TD to Sammy. You can claim that the first two TD drives were pseudo garbage time against a soft defense that was up 37-13. But at 37-25 with about 4 minutes left the Pats* were for sure trying to stop the Bills and close that game out. Not only did the Bills drive up for a TD to make it a 5 point game but they did it with two plays and a quick strike. That drive gave the Bills a legit shot to win that game. Hell they actually had the ball with some time left (1:36 not a whole lot of time but enough time) and down 8 points. So overall there were some positives in that late push even if it ended in undramatic fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 If this thread was about the reasons why we lost the game you would have an excellent point. As it stands however, you are pretty much saying that we can only discuss the merits of those perceived 20% of things. Personally I would like the ability to discuss all aspects of my beloved Bills on the Bills forum. Here you are discussing the situation...which is great. Unfortunately your earlier post was accusing all those who wanted to discuss TT's perceived flaws as being butthurt EJ fans (sic). Go back and read all of my posts on the topic. I believe that a lot of people want to pin it on Tyrod because he wasn't the guy that they wanted. However, I supported my thoughts with stats. Lets see how TT snaps back from the 2 INT, multi sack and fumbling game. It is only hos second NFL start (unofficially as MC took the starting snap last week)Good thoughts bf4e. There was some good and some bad. We will see what happens from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Taylor looked over-matched and severely limited till the last few drives when Roman opened up the offense and McCoy got going a bit as well. Overall I liked how he snapped back throwing that TD to Sammy. You can claim that the first two TD drives were pseudo garbage time against a soft defense that was up 37-13. But at 37-25 with about 4 minutes left the Pats* were for sure trying to stop the Bills and close that game out. Not only did the Bills drive up for a TD to make it a 5 point game but they did it with two plays and a quick strike. That drive gave the Bills a legit shot to win that game. Hell they actually had the ball with some time left (1:36 not a whole lot of time but enough time) and down 8 points. So overall there were some positives in that late push even if it ended in undramatic fashion. I don't think that Roman suddenly opened up the offense. I think perhaps it was TT who stepped up towards the end of the game and started throwing a couple of the type of passes that earlier in the game was unwilling to throw(instead opting to either check down or scramble). Above everything else he brings to the table, this concept gives me hope for his future as the Bills QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The QB wasn't the biggest problem from what I saw. Yea he did play poorly quite a bit yesterday, and did some good things too. I'm far more concerned about the defense that looked so good most of last year, and allowing a new franchise record for passing with 466 yards from Brady. The Bills defense is currently ranked 30th in the NFL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The best way to negate the type of defense NE played yesterday would be some quick inside slants that burn the opposing D and force them to quit bringing everyone in various passing lanes through the middle. I know Tyrod has been billed as smart, that he can grasp Romans extensive playbook. But sometimes simpler is better. Mastering two or three very quick release inside passes, timing type plays could go a long way next time a team trys to defend us the way NE did. Or could go a long way next time we play NE. We don't need 9 million plays in our playbook, they just need to master a few super effective plays that do not allow a defense to throw 8 guys on the line of scrimmage. Tyrod, and our offensive line were obviously confused early in the game partially by NE's pressure and partially by our own play calling. A fullback in the backfield would have been helpful to pick up some of those inside blitzes, a tight end to chip a block and release, and two receivers, to run fast short inside slants. Nothing fancy, just more back to basic offensive principles. I could see Taylor being successful with that type of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Go back and read all of my posts on the topic. I believe that a lot of people want to pin it on Tyrod because he wasn't the guy that they wanted. However, I supported my thoughts with stats. .... I did that Kirby....and I figure you were a little hot under the collar with your initial comments.....but they happened. You stated: The most inevitable thread ever.......If a segment of the fanbase wasn't so butthurt that their guy didn't win the job we wouldn't have these conversations..... I regret not starting a TT thread myself(which I did consider doing as there was no discussion thread on TT for several hours after the match). I chose not to start one because I didn't feel like being attacked by some of my fellow Bills fans directly after a bad loss. My point is that these conversations certainly would happen regardless of whether the EJ fans are butthurt or not because there are many non-EJ lovers who have strong concerns over aspects of TT's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You cannot sustain offense like that on any consistent basis and there are no old running QB's in the NFL. He'll never last trying to make his living like that. So whats the point. He is a running qb. Thats just telling someone else to ntplaybto their strengths. He is a runner. And yesterday he had a few chances to take off... a few times he was about to take off and then something held him back. He needs to diagnose the situations better and either get the ball out or scramble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoverbills Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Watching him closely, he did have a few high throws......the picks after Clay and Watkins got hands on the ball were, I guess, to hot to handle....so he needs to throw with a little more finess. Having said that.....he didn't make a lot of bad throws.....EJ threw a lot more bad throws in his starts the prioir two years.....I am in no way ready to go back to EJ at this point. TT has been a more accurate passer than EJ by far. I am concerned however, that he looks like Rob Johnson in there...for those of you who remember....holding the ball to long ...8 sacks is indicative of trying to hard to make plays....throw it away!!! and avoid the sack. So, TT's completion percentage is abnormally high in the sense the sacks were negative plays while passing. Anyhow, I am all for rolling with TT...... TT has been in the NFL five years. So because he is not a first round draft choice it is Ok for him to throw high. Edited September 21, 2015 by Hanoverbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alluro Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Unfortunately - I think we saw the real Tyrod today. He was nothing at VaTech. Did nothing at Baltimore and did nothing today. I hope I am wrong- but I think Tyrod played over his head in limited action in pre season and against the Colts last week. He looked like a third string QB when it counted for mos of the game today. Maybe we can blame it on the coaching and game plan but if was bad today. Let's see what happens next week in Miami. How can you say being named ACC player of the year over a guy named Russell Wilson (and EJ Manuel) "nothing"? Rushing for more yards in college than Mike Vick? Taylor was an exceptional collegiate player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 >70% completion percentage, ~9ypa, 103 Rating... I'm not ready to bench the kid yet. He struggled at times, but that happens... even HoFers have bad games, and Tyrod's game wasn't all that bad. Take those tip-INTs away, and we're looking at something different. Sometimes the ball bounces in our favor, sometimes not. On to Miami! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 #BringBackEJ #TheEJConspiracy #TheEJIdentity #TheEJUltimatum #TheEJSupremacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Ignore the homers Trolls! While you can have your fun today, it's time to start moving on (to the ignore user list, if need be). This team is neither as good as it showed in the Indy game nor as bad as it showed against the Pats. We'll have to wait bit longer to get a better read, starting with the Fins game this week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I did that Kirby....and I figure you were a little hot under the collar with your initial comments.....but they happened. You stated: I regret not starting a TT thread myself(which I did consider doing as there was no discussion thread on TT for several hours after the match). I chose not to start one because I didn't feel like being attacked by some of my fellow Bills fans directly after a bad loss. My point is that these conversations certainly would happen regardless of whether the EJ fans are butthurt or not because there are many non-EJ lovers who have strong concerns over aspects of TT's game. Fair enough, but look at the people with the most "concerns" in this thread and then go back a month. Read their thoughts from then and try to differentiate the 2. The people involved in this thread (in many cases) have been waiting a month to throw out the "I told you so." I simply responded by saying the guy is completing 75% of his passes, has led 8 scoring drives and has played above average (using QBR). He isn't the problem right now but a certain group wants him to be. The defense has been atrocious, scheme was pathetic and they committed a ton of penalties. 4 TDs a game should be enough for this team to compete for championships but instead they are .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 IMO this will eventually go down as a much bigger blunder for Rex than yesterday's game. They have "their" guy starting and now they are seeing very large red flags. I hope I'm wrong, but we are all beginning to see why Taylor isn't going to be the answer. There's a reason why having success as a small QB is an extremely rare thing in the NFL. You just can't have consistency with a "seat of your pants" style of passing game. I'd give him two more games to show something. Dude's in his fifth year so there's not a ton of slack given here with that big tall fellow EJ waiting in the wings. EJ would have to go thru Cassel first though. Looks more & more to be the case with each week he doesn't dress. Rough game for TT going up against the fired-up World Champs in only his 2nd career start, but I'm impressed by the way he came back & didn't quit. A lot of people were loving playing the Pats at home in Week 2 because BB wouldn't have a lot of gamefilm to watch. Looking back now, I think we would've been better off playing them later after this O & TT had more time to come together. I do think they will look a whole lot better the next time we play them in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Fair enough, but look at the people with the most "concerns" in this thread and then go back a month. Read their thoughts from then and try to differentiate the 2. The people involved in this thread (in many cases) have been waiting a month to throw out the "I told you so." I simply responded by saying the guy is completing 75% of his passes, has led 8 scoring drives and has played above average (using QBR). He isn't the problem right now but a certain group wants him to be. The defense has been atrocious, scheme was pathetic and they committed a ton of penalties. 4 TDs a game should be enough for this team to compete for championships but instead they are .500. Yeah, just please be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush. My biggest concern with TT, and has been all through preseason, is that he hasn't shown that he is capable of pulling the trigger on downfield throws from the pocket....at least not at a regular enough rate. When the Pats were stifling our offense through most of the game(keying the run and underneath routes), this ability from TT was sorely needed. I am hopeful that it is a confidence thing(and not a skill thing) and TT will quickly develop....but if he doesn't he will not make it as a longterm QB starter in the league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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