thebandit27 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 HGH does it for a lot of guys - as in a large percentage of the league's players. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if over half of the Bills used it. It's really good for repairing minor muscle tears, which football players are subject to on a near-daily basis. There's a reason they don't test for it, you know. The league knows it would have to suspend something like half of players in the NFL. The league pushed for tests for 2 years, and the players were the ones dragging their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Not sure if this covers it, but Tommy did apologize in case he hurt our feelings. LOL Good point... I do feel better. At least he cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Does it tick anyone else off that the Patsies** are now rubbing our nose in it by trying to get the 2 deflators re instated? The nerve of these cheaters knows no bounds. Edited September 10, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Exactly... They still have to execute. Plus, the opposing team still has players that are pretty good too. So, they don't win every game; they don't know every single opposing play; they don't have a guaranteed win. And that's precisely why you get the morons that claim it's not that big of a deal. Because it didn't help this time or that time. But what so many people tend to forget is ...cheating is cheating. They have taken extensive measures to gain an unfair advantage by bending and violating the rules. The fact that players are suspended for acts completely unrelated to the play on the field and Brady isn't suspended for cheating in the game itself is a slap in the face to every fan of the game, past and present. Belicheck should get a life time ban and the team barred from the playoffs for a decade. Instead they're celebrated as a champion... Its sickening. Pete Rose was banned for life for betting on his own team, even though there is no evidence he ever fixed a game he bet on. Here we have a team deliberately trying to gain an unfair advantage and people shrug their shoulders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Does it tick anyone else off that the Patsies** are now rubbing our nose in it by trying to get the 2 deflators re instated? The nerve of these cheaters knows no bounds. heard that yesterday. THEY admitted to tampering did they not? Keep them off of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Does it tick anyone else off that the Patsies** are now rubbing our nose in it by trying to get the 2 deflators re instated? The nerve of these cheaters knows no bounds. They're rubbing Goodell's nose in it. Since it was the Patriots that suspended them, not the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Do visiting teams really leave their first 20 scripted play sheets unattended in the Gillette (or any away stadium) locker room? I thought they were so paranoid of mics in their locker rooms they wouldn't even talk in there at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Do visiting teams really leave their first 20 scripted play sheets unattended in the Gillette (or any away stadium) locker room? I thought they were so paranoid of mics in their locker rooms they wouldn't even talk in there at half time. I think the story is that the Colts coaches and officials were in the locker room when the play sheets were stolen right out from under them. The thieves were wearing hoodies with "Not Patriot Employees" written in black magic marker on them so the Colts brass never suspected them. Kind of like the dude who was caught with weed by the cops with this in his car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think the story is that the Colts coaches and officials were in the locker room when the play sheets were stolen right out from under them. The thieves were wearing hoodies with "Not Patriot Employees" written in black magic marker on them so the Colts brass never suspected them. Kind of like the dude who was caught with weed by the cops with this in his car... Yeah it sounded pretty far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yeah it sounded pretty far fetched. What about taking the footballs after the refs OKed and initialed them and taking them in a bathroom and deflating 2 pounds of pressure from each one sound far fetched too? I don't put anything past these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Pete Rose was banned for life for betting on his own team, even though there is no evidence he ever fixed a game he bet on. Here we have a team deliberately trying to gain an unfair advantage and people shrug their shoulders? That adds some perspective. I also think that Pete has served his time and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Pete Rose was banned for life for betting on his own team, even though there is no evidence he ever fixed a game he bet on. Here we have a team deliberately trying to gain an unfair advantage and people shrug their shoulders? Did he ever bet against his team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 That adds some perspective. I also think that Pete has served his time and then some. Betting is a big time no no in baseball with good reason after the Black Sox scandal. He knew that yet did it anyway. He got what he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Betting is a big time no no in baseball with good reason after the Black Sox scandal. He knew that yet did it anyway. He got what he deserves. There are people who have killed others who have served less time. It just seems excessive if he was betting on his own team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) There are people who have killed others who have served less time. It just seems excessive if he was betting on his own team. Doesn't seem obsessive to me or MLB for that matter. Seems about right. Not sure what the state of murder sentences in America has anything to do with it. He knew them and chose to violate them. It wasn't like Tommy where he didn't know that deflating footballs would cause a suspension (according to Judge whats-his-face). The gambling rules in baseball are clear. Edited September 10, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Did he ever bet against his team? No. I don't think there is any evidence that he bet against his team. He bet on them to win every time. Some people think that it doesn't make a difference. Betting is betting and gambling is gambling. I don't think so personally. I think it makes a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) No. I don't think there is any evidence that he bet against his team. He bet on them to win every time. Some people think that it doesn't make a difference. Betting is betting and gambling is gambling. I don't think so personally. I think it makes a big difference. What do the rules of baseball say about it? MAJOR LEAGUE RULES Rule 21MISCONDUCT (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible. Congratulations to the MLB for enforcing their rules. Edited September 10, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 What do the rules of baseball say about it? MAJOR LEAGUE RULES Rule 21MISCONDUCT (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible. It doesn't matter what the rules say. Everyone knows that you cannot bet on baseball. No one is arguing that. What IS arguable, however, is whether there should or shouldn't be a difference. Not in the rules but in whether or not, say, he belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think a lot of people, myself included, who believe he should be in the Hall would think no frigging way if he bet against his team and threw games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It doesn't matter what the rules say. Everyone knows that you cannot bet on baseball. No one is arguing that. What IS arguable, however, is whether there should or shouldn't be a difference. Not in the rules but in whether or not, say, he belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think a lot of people, myself included, who believe he should be in the Hall would think no frigging way if he bet against his team and threw games. What part of "permanently ineligible" do you not understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 No. I don't think there is any evidence that he bet against his team. He bet on them to win every time. Some people think that it doesn't make a difference. Betting is betting and gambling is gambling. I don't think so personally. I think it makes a big difference. As long as he didn't bet on them to lose, I have no problem with him betting on his team or baseball games in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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