Best Player Available Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Tweet of the day @BarryBonds: Congratulations to #TomBrady on today's decision. Best of luck this season, Tom. i guess cheaters have some kind of secret club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 My favorite quote from Berman: "An arbitrator's factual findings are generally not open to judicial challenge, and we accept the facts as the arbitrator found them." Only the staunchest defender of Brady and the Patriots** could take solace in that. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yup. Another obvious mistake at least in retrospect. I don't think that taking this case to Judge Doty's courtroom in Minnessota would have been a wise decision either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't think that taking this case to Judge Doty's courtroom in Minnessota would have been a wise decision either. Doty wasn't chosen, it was another judge, who then sent it to NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) The NFL messed up big here and Roger Goodell should be fired. First you don't have a independent investigation if your VP, Pace directs, proof reads it and adds his own notes to the draft. Second, you can't accuse a player on a fineable infraction, player doesn't cooperate and call it protecting the NFL Integrity and punish the player as if they broke the drug policy. The initial charge was never proven and he couldn't be fined for it, the team yes. It is not the right of any employer to take personal property of a employee to prove a case against them without a warrant. Third, the NFL integrity in the CBA can only be punishable to Team, owner, management not the players. A memo came out in March 2014 trying to change this to individual players but was never submited to the players or the Union, it doesn't apply to the players. Fourth, past presedence set the action the NFL could take. Roger Goodell didn't need to spend 3 million on a investigation that could only charge a $25,000 fine, period! He could have laid down the fine and see if the team and Brady appealed. Why do you think Goodell took this whole thing this far? He was trying to set new precedence so he could give himself absolute authority over players. GUESS WHAT, ROGER GOODELL LOST BIG TODAY!!!! The 2nd Court of Appeals will not hear this case unless Roger Goodell can bring something new to the table. They will review the findings and turn down this appeal. In 2006 the league gave Payton Manning the right to petition all QB's so they can manipuate the footballs any way they want. Does anyone truely believe that 1-1.5 pounds of pressure really makes that much of a difference that Brady would risk his legacy over this? As a Bills fan and a Buffalo native, this whole fiasco to me is a joke. The fact that fans really believe Brady deserves 4 games for this shows me that there is little common sense in people today. Darieus almost puts his vehicle into a restaraunt in Hamburg and allot of you because of this want his suspension lifted, Darieus should be in jail! Everyone take a chill pill and enjoy that one of the best QB's ever will be playing our Bills killer defense and once and for all get knocked off his throne. The fact that anyone wants him suspended instead tells me you want everything handed to the Bills and care less how they get it. Who's worse, the hand that reaches out for help when not needed to win or the one that takes what they can to get ahead to win even if it crosses a fine line? Edited September 3, 2015 by USABuffaloFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Totally agree! I am glad to see us play Brady week 2. If we can't beat his sorry butt in our own house we don't belong in the damn playoffs anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 My favorite quote from Berman: Only the staunchest defender of Brady and the Patriots** could take solace in that. GO BILLS!!! That's not an endorsement of the factual findings. It's a simple acknowledgement of the court's role in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hope everyone has fun when the CBA expires in five years. The shield is going to go in to those bargaining sessions with strict discipline demands so this doesn't happen. The NFLPA isn't going to go along with it and there will be a lockout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hope everyone has fun when the CBA expires in five years. The shield is going to go in to those bargaining sessions with strict discipline demands so this doesn't happen. The NFLPA isn't going to go along with it and there will be a lockout. the logical trade is that in exchange for a fairer process to reach the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The NFL messed up big here and Roger Goodell should be fired. First you don't have a independent investigation if your VP, Pace directs, proof reads it and adds his own notes to the draft. Second, you can't accuse a player on a fineable infraction, player doesn't cooperate and call it protecting the NFL Integrity and punish the player as if they broke the drug policy. The initial charge was never proven and he couldn't be fined for it, the team yes. It is not the right of any employer to take personal property of a employee to prove a case against them without a warrant. Third, the NFL integrity in the CBA can only be punishable to Team, owner, management not the players. A memo came out in March 2014 trying to change this to individual players but was never submited to the players or the Union, it doesn't apply to the players. Fourth, past presedence set the action the NFL could take. Roger Goodell didn't need to spend 3 million on a investigation that could only charge a $25,000 fine, period! He could have laid down the fine and see if the team and Brady appealed. Why do you think Goodell took this whole thing this far? He was trying to set new precedence so he could give himself absolute authority over players. GUESS WHAT, ROGER GOODELL LOST BIG TODAY!!!! The 2nd Court of Appeals will not hear this case unless Roger Goodell can bring something new to the table. They will review the findings and turn down this appeal. In 2006 the league gave Payton Manning the right to petition all QB's so they can manipuate the footballs any way they want. Does anyone truely believe that 1-1.5 pounds of pressure really makes that much of a difference that Brady would risk his legacy over this? As a Bills fan and a Buffalo native, this whole fiasco to me is a joke. The fact that fans really believe Brady deserves 4 games for this shows me that there is little common sense in people today. Darieus almost puts his vehicle into a restaraunt in Hamburg and allot of you because of this want his suspension lifted, Darieus should be in jail! Everyone take a chill pill and enjoy that one of the best QB's ever will be playing our Bills killer defense and once and for all get knocked off his throne. The fact that anyone wants him suspended instead tells me you want everything handed to the Bills and care less how they get it. Who's worse, the hand that reaches out for help when not needed to win or the one that takes what they can to get ahead to win even if it crosses a fine line? Very well put. Brady never deserved 4 games for this even if he did it. Goodell took this way too far and its going to bite him in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This is the kind of BS that will come of the ruling... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/greg-hardy-considering-an-appeal-of-his-four-game-suspension/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 do the patriots as an organization now fight goodell punishment? do they lose draft picks and still pay the fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Just reported on ESPN radio I have no sympathy for Brady, but I have even less for the power abusive NFL. The NFL is a corrupt corporation from top to bottom. The NFL thinks they are some kind of privileged organization that need not comply with the rule of law. Brady was smart (or devious) enough to destroy the key evidence in the case. However, the NFL has to prove their case to suspend a player from his job and the judge ruled there was no evidence directly linking Brady to the alleged offense. For me, they both suck big time, but the NFL sucks worse! The Bills need to beat Brady and the Pats so let's get on with it already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's not an endorsement of the factual findings. It's a simple acknowledgement of the court's role in this case. Doesn't matter. The facts are accepted by the court, regardless. We all get that the facts of the case weren't germane to the proceedings in Berman's courtroom. GO BILLS!!! This is the kind of BS that will come of the ruling... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/greg-hardy-considering-an-appeal-of-his-four-game-suspension/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs Why not? Berman's ruling means it's open season on ALL suspensions for ALL employees subjected to collectively bargained disciplinary action. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 @AlbertBreer: As for the timeline for the NFL's appeal to the second circuit, here's one lawyer's educated guess ... http://t.co/5Rf2qkMZHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I wish I was a little more surprised. It's easy to point the finger at Godell, and his biggest failure is in the legal team he surrounded himself with. They have virtually unlimited resources, and they can't negotiate a CBA that holds water and creates a reasonable and enforceable penalty. I sure hope the loss of draft picks sticks. (And I couldn't care less about the million dollars.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 As much as I wanted Brady suspended, this does make Week 2 a much more interesting game. This team is going to have a heck of a challenge right out of the blocks in Weeks 1 and 2. I can't wait to see how they respond to it. It is going to define our season in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why not? Berman's ruling means it's open season on ALL suspensions for ALL employees subjected to collectively bargained disciplinary action. GO BILLS!!! Not quite. Berman did reaffirm the discipline outlined in the written policies of the league. He just torpedoed Goodell's authority to levy arbitrary punishment on arbitrary transgressions. Which I would normally agree with, except that he has that authority under the CBA. So Berman's ruling becomes a de facto overturning of those provisions of the CBA. What's more, it's the CBA those morons in the NFLPA agreed to...but they end up bearing no responsibility for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Doesn't matter. The facts are accepted by the court, regardless. We all get that the facts of the case weren't germane to the proceedings in Berman's courtroom. GO BILLS!!! Why not? Berman's ruling means it's open season on ALL suspensions for ALL employees subjected to collectively bargained disciplinary action. GO BILLS!!! That's what I mean by BS. The ruling creates a slippery slope that allows even women beaters to appeal. Sickening. Not quite. Berman did reaffirm the discipline outlined in the written policies of the league. He just torpedoed Goodell's authority to levy arbitrary punishment on arbitrary transgressions. Which I would normally agree with, except that he has that authority under the CBA. So Berman's ruling becomes a de facto overturning of those provisions of the CBA. What's more, it's the CBA those morons in the NFLPA agreed to...but they end up bearing no responsibility for this mess. Did you read the article though, he was punished under the "detrimental to the league" rules, not under the domestic violence rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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