hondo in seattle Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Thanks Astro! While everyone else is obsessed with the QB battle, you're noticing things like great guard play. Given we'll be a running team this year, that's an important and encouraging observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Great job, Astro. Always much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ranks Rastro! Per usual, your even-handed report is far more insightful than the agenda-driven dribble we get from the local media. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ranks Rastro! Per usual, your even-handed report is far more insightful than the agenda-driven dribble we get from the local media. Much appreciated. Incredible isn't it. Million times better than guys that are PAID to do this. Well done astro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Juxtapose Astro's report with JoKe B's assessment of EJ: Actually, this is Astro's assessment of EJ, and it ain't much different from Joe B's: "EJ----8 for 12, 1 too long, 2 too high. Trying too hard. Waiting too long, not making reads fast enough. At one point likely sacked on 4 successive plays." Matthew Fairburn is no better See above. Astro said much the same, indicating that Manuel wasn't good enough yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Actually, this is Astro's assessment of EJ, and it ain't much different from Joe B's: "EJ----8 for 12, 1 too long, 2 too high. Trying too hard. Waiting too long, not making reads fast enough. At one point likely sacked on 4 successive plays." See above. Astro said much the same, indicating that Manuel wasn't good enough yesterday. It has to be terrifying for coaches to see that sort of thing in a practice setting. I don't like how divisive it's become around here - everyone immediately gets shuttled into pro- or anti-EJ camps, and any compliments or criticisms bring down a rain of hell on the poster. EJ is in his third year in this league. Yes he's been undercoached and he's in a brand new offense against a great defense, those are factors for sure. But he cannot be throwing it five yards behind wide receivers in practice settings. He just can't be doing that, whether it's two bad practices or ten. I want him to be successful and I haven't given up on him, but the writing seems to be on the wall. These coaches aren't going to tolerate that sort of thing for very long. They're trying to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 what sucks about EJ? Astro's report is pretty positive from what I read.... Thanks Astro! I wasn't able to make it this morning. I appreciate your awesome notes. It sucks about EJ though. I'm shocked Cassel actually did well. That's a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 what sucks about EJ? Astro's report is pretty positive from what I read.... He revised and added to it. See my quote from above; it comes near the end of the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It has to be terrifying for coaches to see that sort of thing in a practice setting. I don't like how divisive it's become around here - everyone immediately gets shuttled into pro- or anti-EJ camps, and any compliments or criticisms bring down a rain of hell on the poster. EJ is in his third year in this league. Yes he's been undercoached and he's in a brand new offense against a great defense, those are factors for sure. But he cannot be throwing it five yards behind wide receivers in practice settings. He just can't be doing that, whether it's two bad practices or ten. I want him to be successful and I haven't given up on him, but the writing seems to be on the wall. These coaches aren't going to tolerate that sort of thing for very long. They're trying to win games. The board is a debate forum, naturally there is going to be lots of back and forth and people entrenched in opposing viewpoints. Every once in a while a thread happens where everyone agrees, they tend to be short and uninteresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It seems appropriate to reward Astro for his efforts and I know many have made mention of it. Would someone familiar with go fund me be willing to set something up? Is this kosher? Astro would you be offended by something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 If he starts a roofing company does he get to determine how high his ceiling is? this would be funny if roofers did the ceiling. That is determined by the framers.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 this would be funny if roofers did the ceiling. That is determined by the framers.lol Framers get all the chicks, too. Did ya ever see that FramersOnly.com website? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Framers get all the chicks, too. Did ya ever see that FramersOnly.com website? Wow. Catchy jingle too..."you don't have to frame lonely, at framersonly.com." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Thanks Astro! I share your thoughts on Randell Johnson - He is a total beast in waiting. He was eating up blockers in that same drill Friday afternoon. Thanks for your reports being more realistic and unbiased regarding the QB's ( P. Harvin not running the route correctly, etc.). On Friday I noticed that Tyrod almost never gets the ball out in time. ( generally in a real NFL drop back your going to get 3 seconds, maybe 4 at most to decide and throw). Unfortunately , for me, this rules out ANY chance of him realistically starting for the Bills. I can definitely see him coming in for spot duty though. Ej seems to be much better at the long balls than he used to be... Still a bit inconsistent on the shorter throws. I'd go with EJ if I were them, but I can see them leaning to Cassel still. He won't fair any better than Orton unfortunately though. A point regrading your mention of the TE's - don't forget Marquise Gray ( to me he's a lock and the #2 ). O'leary was getting absolutely blown up in the TE/FB/RB vs. outside pass rush drill this past Friday. EJ has consistently had a problem with short throws. That remains a major concern. It's not clear that it's fixable but you can't be a dependable quarterback in the NFL with that deficiency. It's like being able to do algebra but not add simple figures, which translates to you not really being a good mathematician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 EJ has consistently had a problem with short throws. That remains a major concern. It's not clear that it's fixable but you can't be a dependable quarterback in the NFL with that deficiency. It's like being able to do algebra but not add simple figures, which translates to you not really being a good mathematician. That's really true, and we really don't know the answer to that yet. It' very possible he is simply not accurate enough combined with processing information at 100mph. But it's also possible that lack of experience and lack of confidence because of that lack of experience is the main factor in his mechanics breaking down and his inaccuracy. It's really that simple. And it cannot be known without him playing in practice in this offense, and preseason games, and probably regular season games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 That's really true, and we really don't know the answer to that yet. It' very possible he is simply not accurate enough combined with processing information at 100mph. But it's also possible that lack of experience and lack of confidence because of that lack of experience is the main factor in his mechanics breaking down and his inaccuracy. It's really that simple. And it cannot be known without him playing in practice in this offense, and preseason games, and probably regular season games. These are things I am wondering too as what is the problem. With his accuracy, when it comes to "point and shoot" his accuracy seems high, like elite high. But then in an in game setting, that is where his accuracy takes a nose dive. Is it because he isn't processing info fast enough? Not reading a defense? Confidence issue? Game plan/coaching? Chemstry? Bad oline? If he isn't processing info fast enough, I would think experience would help him with that. I go back to his rookie year. If my memory is right, the jests are the only team he has played twice. In his rookie year they had a pretty good d. In the first game, he looked horrible. In the 2nd game, he probably had his best game. So I really thought after playing the jets D, he learned and understood it better and in turn he was able to play much better in the 2nd jets game. This is going back to his rookie year though the short passes are concerning to me because I would think that would be better by now. I have not been at camp, but based on how he played in the past, his short throws that missed were caused by pressure from the D line. And we really need someone that is better when being pressured, because in our division, the QB is going to get pressured a lot, even if the oline is better than last year. Being better at longer passes than short gives me bad memories of losman. Couldn't manage a game to save his life. If he didn't complete an 80 yard bomb to evans then he wasnt scoring period. I like EJ, and I am rooting for him. I am hoping that not only does he win the job, but he actually turns into a decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It seems appropriate to reward Astro for his efforts and I know many have made mention of it. Would someone familiar with go fund me be willing to set something up? Is this kosher? Astro would you be offended by something like that? I understand is you wouldn't feel right about it Astro, but I'd be happy to slide a couple of bucks for your hard work. If not, maybe something to get our own site up and running. Seriously, between some of our seasoned posters I think we could do better Bills coverage and analysis than a lot of places do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I understand is you wouldn't feel right about it Astro, but I'd be happy to slide a couple of bucks for your hard work. If not, maybe something to get our own site up and running. Seriously, between some of our seasoned posters I think we could do better Bills coverage and analysis than a lot of places do. I second this. At least create a blog. Astro used to be great for draft stuff, but over the years his analysis of training camps and other stuff has really grown as well. There are a lot of draft stuff out there, but he would really stand out with his other stuff. Not being able to go to camp, his stuff seems to be the most informative. All the "professionals" say the same thing and are redundant. Astro puts in points about things that I don't think the reporters even understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I second this. At least create a blog. Astro used to be great for draft stuff, but over the years his analysis of training camps and other stuff has really grown as well. There are a lot of draft stuff out there, but he would really stand out with his other stuff. Not being able to go to camp, his stuff seems to be the most informative. All the "professionals" say the same thing and are redundant. Astro puts in points about things that I don't think the reporters even understand What do you mean "used to be?" I hit up Drafttek a lot. And for the record, at this point I'd be happy if Hackenburg fell into our lap Astro. I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 What do you mean "used to be?" I hit up Drafttek a lot. And for the record, at this point I'd be happy if Hackenburg fell into our lap Astro. I can dream. "used to be" was just meant as in that the draft used to be the biggest thing I would read his posts for, but now that has expanded to other things haha. He is also an excellent follow on twitter, any bills fan on twitter needs to follow him. He was one of my favorite people to follow during free agency this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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