Walmart and Unions

[stevestojan]

Thanks, but that's not good enough for Snorom.  Corporate America owes him a better job than that. 

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Absolutly - bump it up to $20 an hour with full benefits, and he'll think about it. Until then, he's taken up "blaming the world" as a full time gig. Doesn't pay much, but the benefits of not taking any responsibilty are pretty sweet.

[gmac17]

Can it be done from home?

 

yeah, all you need is a video camera and a banana hammock....

 

 

just kidding. yes it can be done from home.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

But, I guess my response would be, who forced you to choose that career track?  It's not only about education.  It's about marketability (that good ol' supply and demand).  It's not the employer's fault that 100 applicants line up for a "good" job openning. 

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Indeed. The job I found had more than 200 applicants applying for the one position.

 

If you can't market yourself, OF COURSE you're not going to find a job.

 

BTW, This opportunity was the SECOND company in my search (of more than 75 resumes sent out) that actually even responded to my resume.

[stevestojan]

Indeed. The job I found had more than This opportunity was the SECOND company in my search (of more than 75 resumes sent out) that actually even responded to my resume.

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Believe me, as much as "fluffer for Ron Jeremy" was sweet in college, there's no place for it on a resume!

[Just Jack]

I have a 2 year degree in electro-mechanical systems and 15 years experience as an electronics/robotics technician, and I have  a 2 year degree in Computer Information Systems with about 2 - 5 years experience depending on how you look at my work history. I also have my Comptia A+ Certification and  Cisco CCNA certification

 

I would be happy to take a job as an electronics tech, or as an IT/Network administrator or technician. Anything

 

I have been fortunate to find temporary work a few times this past year, but whenever a good permanent positon is offered up there are 100's of applicants.

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And that's the problem with the computer field. With the ramp up of the Y2K problem, suddenly tech's were earning $100K for miminal work, simply because there was a demand for it. After Y2K, when the work was done, people were let go, not a few here and there, but hundreds at a time. So suddenly the market is flooded with tech people. But, the problem was you still had people that had heard that computer techs were making $100K plus a year and decided that was the field for them. So, less jobs, people with experience looking for work, and people coming out of school also looking for work, meant those salaries were not going to be as good.

People still ask me if they should get into the computer field and I tell them no. I know that I'm one of the lucky ones to still have a job with the same boss since 1997.

As a comparison, if I were to lose my job, I'd would consider the nursing field. There are so many ads in the paper for places looking for nurses, it's ridiculous. I even know of places that will give you a full ride through nursing school as long as you promise to work for them after you graduate, at a decent (for this area) salary.

[KD in CA]

Doesn't pay much, but the benefits of not taking any responsibilty are pretty sweet.

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Nice...

[Fezmid]

Believe me, as much as "fluffer for Ron Jeremy" was sweet in college,

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So *that's* how you got your porn job!

 

Thanks for the clarification

 

CW

[BillnutinHouston]

walmart sucks , go UNIONS

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Walmart sucks, so do unions.

 

The WNY ecomony is the poster child of strong unions and a weak economy. Coincidence? I think not.

[BillnutinHouston]

Your stock didn't lose any money if you didn't sell it.  It lost value which has returned.  Smart investors put more money in GE when it devalued.

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The beauty of dollar cost averaging. When the price of your stocks goes down, and you continue to invest the same amount of $$ in it, you actually are buying more of the same stock at a better price. Then when the price goes up again, your stock value has escalated considerably.

[mead107]

Walmart sucks, so do unions.

 

The WNY ecomony is the poster child of strong unions and a weak economy. Coincidence? I think not.

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big corpations have you brain washed , we cann't make it because of the unions is bull .how about to manny white collar workers and to much money to the top people , no reinvestment back in to the company

[seq004]

walmart sucks , go UNIONS

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You can put some blame on unions for what Buffalo is going through right now. In most cases unions are a bad thing. MOST cases.

[Alaska Darin]

The beauty of dollar cost averaging.  When the price of your stocks goes down, and you continue to invest the same amount of $$ in it, you actually are buying more of the same stock at a better price.  Then when the price goes up again, your stock value has escalated considerably.

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Welcome to AD's triumphant ass kicking with Dynegy and Lucent!

[Alaska Darin]

You are ignorant.

 

I have 2 college degrees and my 2nd degree I graduate with honors fool.

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Which is simply proof that a college degree doesn't include classes on common sense.

[Cash2Burn]

no reinvestment back in to the company

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Actually, there's been quite a bit of reinvestment by many companies. The problem is, those investment dollars went to facilites in more business-friendly states/countries, rather than WNY.

 

Many workers (unionized or not) fail to grasp the concept that capital flows to where it can earn the best return. Given a choice between spending to renew older, inefficient WNY plants (staffed with older, high-cost labor) versus new lower-cost facilities elsewhere, companies have voted with their feet.

 

Again, the analogy is just like the Bills opting to go with J.P. over Drew. They're betting they can go a lot farther with the kid than with Bledsoe, who's shown everything he's got and has no more upside.

 

(How's that for turning this thread back to football! LOL!!)

[TheMadCap]

Just one comment, how come you can't MOVE to an area where there are jobs to be had?

 

I moved to a new state that offered me the best job for my degree. Looking at Monster or something similar, there are hundreds of jobs to be had for what you are looking for.

 

If not, then I am sorry to say it, but you need to make yourself more competitive my friend. Our entire existance is based on the principal of outcompeting the other guy.

[Greybeard]

More government = less jobs.  Always has, always will.  Here's an example: For just one statute, the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, EPA has issued 17,000 pages of regulations and proposed regulations.

 

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Maybe they should hire TD. I know he can get a statue with a lot less paper work.

[erynthered]

Which is simply proof that a college degree doesn't include classes on common sense.

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Common sense cant be taught. And its obvious in this thread.

I cant believe I read nine pages of this. So much for common sense.

[stuckincincy]

Common sense cant be taught. And its obvious in this thread.

I cant believe I read nine pages of this. So much for common sense.

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Have a good drink. That's common sense after nine pages about this unending subject.

[erynthered]

Have a good drink.  That's common sense after nine pages about this unending subject.

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On to the little ones first..............Bed time

[Bill from NYC]

Blow Unions!

 

Because of Unions I had to move all over the country when I was a kid. The greed of Unions and its workers cost many Americans jobs and destroy entire cities. HMmm example BUFFALO..Bethlehem Steel the Unions destroyed the company.

 

NHL..Union again!

 

The reason cars are so expensive..UNIONS  $28 an hour to put a bolt on a car..AWESOME.

Thank God I work for a large Bank and Unions are not an issue

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Make sure you stop by and say hello when you lose your job due to a merger and/or your job is outsourced to India.

[Bill from NYC]

HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO?????

 

I have said several times that yes, unions laid a nice groundwork. They basically set the standard of how campanies now should treat their employees. However, they have done their job. They are dated, and not relevant in the 21st century.

 

You keep coming back with this same argument, and I keep replying the same.

 

PLEASE, tell me why we STILL need unions besides making sure some guy who has no other skills besides putting a certain bolt on a transmission can make $25/hour?

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The above from someone in the porno industry.

[Bill from NYC]

I would at least made his juggle, or stand on his head --- something..

 

nah, forget it, you'd probably get pressure from the union for over working him.

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How many hours per day do you spend at your non-union porno industry job posting on TSW, getting B word slapped by AD?

[erynthered]

How many hours per day do you spend at your non-union porno industry job posting on TSW, getting B word slapped by AD?

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Yeah but you forgot the=

 

 

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1. Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2. California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone. In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3. The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

 

 

Link to Congressional report

[mead107]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1.  Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2.  California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone.  In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3.  The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

Link to Congressional report

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walmart "O BOY", this is what people want that hate unions

[Nanker]

I'd like a listing of the people that were drug by the hair, kicking and screaming, and at gunpoint forced to fill out their application to work at Walmart.

Would that list be long?

 

This is America. Workers have a choice in where they work.

If these down trodden workers have so much to offer and are being horiffically treated by their employer they're free to take their considerable talents to a higher bidder. Or, even better - THEY can start their own business and find out what it's like to have to make payroll every week.

 

As an alternative - they could go 100% on the public dole, and that would make things more clear and probably acceptable to some. "Oh, I see. You're a 'Refuse-to-work-at-Walmartarian' are you? Well - here, have some more cheese!"

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

I'd like a listing of the people that were drug by the hair, kicking and screaming, and at gunpoint forced to fill out their application to work at Walmart.

Would that list be long?

 

This is America. Workers have a choice in where they work.

If these down trodden workers have so much to offer and are being horiffically treated by their employer they're free to take their considerable talents to a higher bidder. Or, even better - THEY can start their own business and find out what it's like to have to make payroll every week.

 

As an alternative - they could go 100% on the public dole, and that would make things more clear and probably acceptable to some. "Oh, I see. You're a 'Refuse-to-work-at-Walmartarian' are you? Well - here, have some more cheese!"

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You're missing the point.

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

[mead107]

good paying jobs leaving and this is what is left .not every one can be college educated . if everyone was there would be no jobs to be had .everyone would have a MBA and still be working at walmart

[Nanker]

You're missing the point. 

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

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Well, if they made all the employees fat, happy, and sassy they would never have become the largest employer because the mass consumer market would avoid them because of their high prices.

By the way, how many Walmart employees that are receiving public assistance are retirees and working part time? Maybe we shouldn't give any Social Security payments or Medicade to anyone that's retired and working part time. That would improve Walmart's statistics - wouldn't it?

[Nanker]

good paying jobs leaving and  this is what is left .not every one can be college educated . if everyone was there would be no jobs to be had .everyone would have a MBA and still be working at walmart

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mead, I think you underestimate the American spirit of enterprise. My good heavens. What DID the poor folks do back in the 19th century before these big multi national companies took over America and simply ruined it?

 

I don't want to go on with this topic, 'cause it's just not my cup of tea. But I wish more people would get a dream and pursue that instead of sucumbing to a mentality of being victimized. Remember, Attitude is a matter of attitude.

Peace

[mead107]

mead, I think you underestimate the American spirit of enterprise. My good heavens. What DID the poor folks do back in the 19th century before these big multi national companies took over America and simply ruined it?

 

I don't want to go on with this topic, 'cause it's just not my cup of tea. But I wish more people would get a dream and pursue that instead of sucumbing to a mentality of being victimized. Remember, Attitude is a matter of attitude. 

Peace

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you are telling me that every american needs to start his own company.?who would work for them ????????????some people need to be the grunts .

[mead107]

time to end this thread gone on to long and we are not going to solve the the world problems . sh-- we cann't even agree on who starts for the bills .

[KD in CA]

This topic was originally about Walmart and unions.

 

Here's some FACTS to think about:

 

1.  Wal-Mart, with about 25 percent of the company's 37,000 workers on TennCare, tops the list of businesses with employees on the expanded Medicaid program. Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer.

 

A study of Tennessee businesses shows thousands of Wal-Mart employees are on TennCare, the state's expanded Medicaid program, providing fodder for critics who say some businesses are shifting costs for low-paid employees onto the backs of taxpayers.

 

Wal-Mart, with 9,617 employees listed as receiving benefits from the program, said it offers a health plan available to full-time workers after six months and to part-time employees after two years.

 

2.  California taxpayers subsidized $20.5 million worth of medical care for Wal-Mart in that state alone.  In fact, Wal-Mart personnel offices, knowing employees cannot afford the company health plan, actually encourage employees to apply for charitable and public assistance, according to a recent report by the PBS news program Now With Bill Moyers.

 

3.  The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

 

• $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

 

• $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.

 

• $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.

 

• $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.

 

• $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.

 

• $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

Link to Congressional report

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All this tells me is that we need to drastically reduce the taxpayer funded entitlement programs in this country.

[IDBillzFan]

you are telling me that every american needs to start his own company.?who would work for them ????????????some people need to be the grunts .

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Unfortunately, as elitist as this may sound, the grunts are the ones who opted not to fend for themselves or get a better education or find ways to increase their hireability (so to speak). That becomes their choice, and to suggest that we should take care of people like that simply because they made bad choices for their own life is just too bleeding heart for me.

 

And to B word about your lot in life instead of doing something about it only makes things worse.

 

Once again...it all comes down to personal accountability. You're never too old, too dumb or too poor to better yourself. Opportunities are everywhere. It is whether you choose to take advantage of them that matters. If you choose not to, that should not become a problem for those who did.

[Fezmid]

That becomes their choice, and to suggest that we should take care of people like that simply because they made bad choices for their own life is just too bleeding heart for me.

 

Bleeding heart or communist, your pick.

 

CW

[Spikes16]

Blow Unions!

 

Because of Unions I had to move all over the country when I was a kid. The greed of Unions and its workers cost many Americans jobs and destroy entire cities. HMmm example BUFFALO..Bethlehem Steel the Unions destroyed the company.

 

NHL..Union again!

 

The reason cars are so expensive..UNIONS  $28 an hour to put a bolt on a car..AWESOME.

Thank God I work for a large Bank and Unions are not an issue

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I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain:

[Spikes16]

QUOTE(dundy249 @ Feb 11 2005, 10:23 AM)

Blow Unions!

 

Because of Unions I had to move all over the country when I was a kid. The greed of Unions and its workers cost many Americans jobs and destroy entire cities. HMmm example BUFFALO..Bethlehem Steel the Unions destroyed the company.

 

NHL..Union again!

 

The reason cars are so expensive..UNIONS $28 an hour to put a bolt on a car..AWESOME.

Thank God I work for a large Bank and Unions are not an issue

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson.

[MikeInRoch]

You're missing the point. 

 

The point is that Walmart is one of the largest private employers in this country, yet all of us are being forced to subsidize their employees' health care and other social costs because Walmart is unwilling to pay a living wage or provide affordable health care to their employees.

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You are "forced" to subsidize this because the government decided that you are. No one is *required* to have health care. If you do not have the skills/ambition required to get a job that would provide health care, why should the government have to bail you out?

[bbb]

"My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters."

 

I guess that about says it all.

[KRC]

I would'nt get out of bed for $28 an hour. I am a union rep and I make more than that due to my union. All you idiot union bashers just dont get it. I am able to take my kids on vacations and buy them the things they need and live comfortably due to the unions. So you would rather see the NY-Manhatten upper levels get all the profits and live in luxury instead of sharing the profits to the REAL people who made the company the money they enjoy? If it was'nt for my union, I would make $10 and hour with sh-- benefits just like you union bashers. My family enjoys the benefits of being in a union. And thats all that matters. Work your jobs for minimal pay and enjoy the fact that you can be fired for no reason and you have noone to turn to except for Mr.Molson.  :I starred in Brokeback Mountain:

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I make more than that, and I didn't need a union to do it for me. Some people are incapable of providing for themselves, and need the help of others to get these things for them.

 

Those who can, do. Those who can't, rely on unions to get it for them.