Joe Miner Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 If this election comes down to Trump or Sanders we're all !@#$ed. That's worse than turd sandwich or giant douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 If this election comes down to Trump or Sanders we're all !@#$ed. That's worse than turd sandwich or giant douche. We could be re-electing Romney in '16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yeah, democrats are terrified of Trump. The only ones worried about Trump are in the GOP. The democrats pray Trump actually wins the nomination (not that Trump actually wants the nomination). You're about as sharp as a spoon. Trump could damage the Dems in one very specific and effective way. Probably about 80% of Americans are not tuned into politics. The Dems can get away with scandal after scandal after scandal because Americans generally don't know and don't care. The GOP are being stupid picking fights with Trump. They should be using him as a club to pound the MSM by him telling America every day how bad Obama and Hillary are at their jobs. Instead of the Dems totally fake "Hope and Change" slogan, the GOP can actually win this election by having Trump brain stamping a "tuned out" America that Hillary is a big fat loser before the general election season really begins. However, all that ground work goes out the door if Biden comes in late and is the candidate. Trump will probably not be around by then. He certainly isn't going to win the GOP nomination. The blunt way Trump talks is very easy for Americans to digest and understand. I would think that is kind of a scary notion for the Dems and the MSM. They don't understand that Americans are "Game of Thrones" blood thirsty for non-politicians and non-political speeches. IMO Americans by and large don't like anybody out there now. They think politicians are basically all the same in that both Dem and GOP just want to protect the DC bubble and don't really care about people who have no special interest lobbyists fighting for them. My take on Trump is that he can possibly effect the narrative in a critical mass way that sets whoever the real GOP candidate on a real winning path. We shall see. IMO, it's been very entertaining watching the Trump show while it's still on the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 For those of you wondering how Trump is keeping it alive, here is one perfect example. Go to http://thehill.com/ right at this posting. The lead story is about the budget, and directly below that story are EIGHT individual stories about Trump. EIGHT. Trump: RNC officials are being 'really nice’ Poll: Despite McCain comments, Trump atop GOP field Trump's most notable insults Paul: Trump getting 'a billion dollars of free advertising' Perry digs in against Trump Graham: Trump 'appealing to the dark side' of politics Sunday show wrap-up: Trump dominates Clinton, Trump, Cruz make biggest splashes on Facebook Can you imagine if they paid that much attention to Hillary's email server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Paul: Trump getting 'a billion dollars of free advertising That's one's classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 If this election comes down to Trump or Sanders we're all !@#$ed. Not nearly as !@#$ed as we'll be if it comes down to Bush vs. Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Not nearly as !@#$ed as we'll be if it comes down to Bush vs. Clinton. You're a nut if you think Trump or Sanders would be better at the helm than Clinton or Bush. Edited July 27, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 2016 political dream team Trump: Secretary of Homeland Security (ruthless enough to deport a baby) Cruz: Treasury secretary (can balance the budget) Sanders: Secretary of Education (speaks their language) Hilary: head of IRS (knows where/how people hide money) Bush: Secretary of State (He can annoy other countries for a change) Obama: US Ambassador to Kenya (send him home) Presdent: Jon Stewart (He can distract the population while his cabinet works) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 President: Jon Stewart (He can distract the population while his cabinet works) Why, it would almost be an Obama 3rd term... The host of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show Jon Stewart secretly met with PresidentBarack Obama at the White House on at least two occasions, which were followed with on-air attacks on Obama’s political enemies. Politico’s Darren Samuelsohn wrote his paper’s farewell to Stewart, who is set to retire from The Daily Show next Thursday. He notes that Stewart had an enormous effect on national politics, but sometimes “that effect took the form of either prodding, or working in concert with, the Obama administration.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Why, it would almost be an Obama 3rd term... John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. Except Fox pretends to be a news channel while Stewart unabashedly remains a comedian hosting a comedy program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Except Fox pretends to be a news channel while Stewart unabashedly remains a comedian hosting a comedy program. Actually, Stewart also pretends to just be a comedian, however he knows that many of his viewers get their "news" from him. He's not an idiot and he understands that he shapes his viewers opinion much the same way that Fox does theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Except Fox pretends to be a news channel while Stewart unabashedly remains a comedian hosting a comedy program. I think it's worse, because the news portion of Fox is fairly balanced. The Fox on air personalities are decidedly partisan. Stewart OTOH cleverly masks his program as comedy, yet it's a partisan political program which many people take as real news delivered as comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Actually, Stewart also pretends to just be a comedian, however he knows that many of his viewers get their "news" from him. He's not an idiot and he understands that he shapes his viewers opinion much the same way that Fox does theirs. I think it's worse, because the news portion of Fox is fairly balanced. The Fox on air personalities are decidedly partisan. Stewart OTOH cleverly masks his program as comedy, yet it's a partisan political program which many people take as real news delivered as comedy. He's not pretending to be a comedian, he IS a comedian with a show on COMEDY CENTRAL. He's never been a journalist and has never pretended to be anything more than a comedian. Except for last summer when he pretended to be a director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 He's not pretending to be a comedian, he IS a comedian with a show on COMEDY CENTRAL. He's never been a journalist and has never pretended to be anything more than a comedian. Except for last summer when he pretended to be a director. You're forgetting the Rumble in the Air Conditioned Auditorium? https://youtu.be/LOnJXL9dVao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You're forgetting the Rumble in the Air Conditioned Auditorium? https://youtu.be/LOnJXL9dVao I saw it, and laughed my ass off at both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) He's not pretending to be a comedian, he IS a comedian with a show on COMEDY CENTRAL. He's never been a journalist and has never pretended to be anything more than a comedian. Except for last summer when he pretended to be a director. I didn't say he was pretending to be a comedian, just that he's pretending to ONLY be a comedian. If you don't believe that he also tries to influence opinions and outcomes, then we really can't go too much further here with this conversation. Jon Stewart slipped unnoticed into the White House in the midst of the October 2011 budget fight, summoned to an Oval Office coffee with President Barack Obama that he jokingly told his escort felt like being called into the principal’s office. In February 2014, Obama again requested Stewart make the trip from Manhattan to the White House, this time for a mid-morning visit hours before the president would go before television cameras to warn Russia that “there will be costs” if it made any further military intervention in Ukraine. To engage privately with the president in his inner sanctum at two sensitive moments — previously unreported meetings that are listed in the White House visitor logs and confirmed to POLITICO by three former Obama aides — speaks volumes about Stewart and his reach, which goes well beyond the million or so viewers who tune into The Daily Show on most weeknights. The host of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show Jon Stewart secretly met with PresidentBarack Obama at the White House on at least two occasions, which were followed with on-air attacks on Obama’s political enemies. Politico’s Darren Samuelsohn wrote his paper’s farewell to Stewart, who is set to retire from The Daily Show next Thursday. He notes that Stewart had an enormous effect on national politics, but sometimes “that effect took the form of either prodding, or working in concert with, the Obama administration.” I suppose he met up with the president at the Oval office for some comedic tips. Edited July 28, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 He's not pretending to be a comedian, he IS a comedian with a show on COMEDY CENTRAL. He's never been a journalist and has never pretended to be anything more than a comedian. Except for last summer when he pretended to be a director. Both Fox News and Stewart state that they are non-partisan, though. From that standpoint, they are both dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I didn't say he was pretending to be a comedian, just that he's pretending to ONLY be a comedian. If you don't believe that he also tries to influence opinions and outcomes, then we really can't go too much further here with this conversation. The level of Stewart's influence says more about the state of corporate media in our country than it does about Stewart using his program as an activist platform. He's a comedian who runs a comedy show. Its niche is to mock the declining state of journalism and the ****-show known as American politics. That doesn't make him profound, it makes him smart. Both Fox News and Stewart state that they are non-partisan, though. From that standpoint, they are both dishonest. Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The level of Stewart's influence says more about the state of corporate media in our country than it does about Stewart using his program as an activist platform. He's a comedian who runs a comedy show. Its niche is to mock the declining state of journalism and the ****-show known as American politics. That doesn't make him profound, it makes him smart. Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. Maybe, but let's not pretend that Stewart believes that he is only a comedian and that he doesn't realize that what he says helps shape his viewers opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Walker's Foreign Policy Guru called for Nuking Muslim countries and mass Deportations: At an event earlier this month to formally launch his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker cited a man in the crowd named Kevin Hermening as a formative influence on his foreign policy thinking. Hermening, a former U.S. Marine who was held hostage during the 1979 Iranian revolution, is a longtime friend of Walker, and has been described in press reports as “the face of Walker’s foreign policy.” The governor has repeatedly cited Hermening as a major influence on his worldview, including his opposition to the Obama administration’s recent nuclear deal with Iran. But Walker’s choice of Hermening as a foreign policy counselor raises serious questions about Walker’s understanding of the issues. Hermening has publicly advocated conducting nuclear strikes against the capital cities of Muslim-majority countries, as well as the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, particularly those of “Middle Eastern descent” from the United States. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/28/scott-walkers-foreign-policy-advisor-called-nuking-muslim-countries-mass-deportations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Both Fox News and Stewart state that they are non-partisan, though. From that standpoint, they are both dishonest. Again, you have to separate the news programs from the loud punditry on that network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. lol, seriously? what's our bet going to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The level of Stewart's influence says more about the state of corporate media in our country than it does about Stewart using his program as an activist platform. He's a comedian who runs a comedy show. Its niche is to mock the declining state of journalism and the ****-show known as American politics. That doesn't make him profound, it makes him smart. Stewart has never, ever, claimed to be impartial. He's a comedian and a liberal and says both whenever he's given the opportunity. http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/07/jon-stewarts-secret-white-house-visits-000178 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The Governors on the GOP side along with Carly should have the upper hand in the debates against Trump. They can all make him small given that they have run enterprises much larger than his and they are also not part of the Washington establishment (although Kasich spent time there). Trump's messages are long on emotion but shorter on substance than I would expect from him. A businessman should be accustomed to speaking more with numbers and facts but so far Trump has been more bluster than hard core data. The takeaway for the others, though, should be that a lot of people want to see some fire, toughness and plain talk from their candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe, but let's not pretend that Stewart believes that he is only a comedian and that he doesn't realize that what he says helps shape his viewers opinions. You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. lol, seriously? what's our bet going to be? I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. Here's a favorable review that makes no bones of exactly what Stewart has done over the last decade. If Stewart's job is to bring ALL media and corporatism to task, he's certainly focused on one side more than another. But then again, if he was an equal opportunity offender, he wouldn't be the toast of the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Here's a favorable review that makes no bones of exactly what Stewart has done over the last decade. If Stewart's job is to bring ALL media and corporatism to task, he's certainly focused on one side more than another. But then again, if he was an equal opportunity offender, he wouldn't be the toast of the town. What are we arguing now? I'm saying Stewart is NOT impartial. He's a liberal, admits he's a liberal, with a comedy show. His job isn't to be impartial, it's to get laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You're conflating two different things into one to form your opinion. He is no doubt aware of the amount of influence his show has on (particularly) college age people. He's also no doubt aware that for almost half a decade his show ran before a Crank Yankers -- a show with cursing puppets -- at 11pm at night. It only became a "platform" because of the state of American politics and our media. Every comedian -- correction, every good comedian -- works from a place of passion. Stewart's passion is clearly in the political realm -- like Carlin's was. Carlin was undoubtedly more liberal, more of an activist, and put more political messages into his sets than Stewart does in one episode of the Daily Show. That's the comedian's job. Still doesn't make him anything more than a comedian with a show that skewers politics and the corporate media. I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from. I'm not conflating anything, you're the one who believes that Stewart is only a comedian. Most of us know better. What are we arguing now? I'm saying Stewart is NOT impartial. He's a liberal, admits he's a liberal, with a comedy show. His job isn't to be impartial, it's to get laughs. He also purposely shapes opinions. But you don't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'm not conflating anything, you're the one who believes that Stewart is only a comedian. Most of us know better. He also purposely shapes opinions. But you don't see that. WTF are you talking about? Of course he shapes opinions, that's what comedians do... Why else are they performing comedy for audiences if not to shape opinions and get laughs? John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. Except Fox pretends to be a news channel while Stewart unabashedly remains a comedian hosting a comedy program. This is my point... comparing him to Fox news is not accurate. Fox news pretends to be a news program, thus are supposed to be impartial when they are not. Stewart, a comedian with a comedy show, does not have any requirement to remain impartial, in fact it's his job to do the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I can link hundreds of articles, interviews and clips from the daily show where he says outright he's a liberal. He doesn't pretend to be impartial, he's a comedian. Being partial is where the jokes come from. Give me just one clip from the daily show where he states he's a liberal. Even if you can find it (which I doubt), it seems like he wasn't always that honest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jon-stewarts-progressive-legacy/2015/07/28/f6587a2a-34a5-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html Stewart still thought of himself as an impartial observer. “Join us in the center,” he said as the interview concluded. “That’s my movement.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Give me just one clip from the daily show where he states he's a liberal. Even if you can find it (which I doubt), it seems like he wasn't always that honest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jon-stewarts-progressive-legacy/2015/07/28/f6587a2a-34a5-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html That article shows what? That he's not a liberal? http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/gmgfdo/conservative-libertarian He calls himself a progressive. This is just the first clip I searched... You're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) WTF are you talking about? Of course he shapes opinions, that's what comedians do... Why else are they performing comedy for audiences if not to shape opinions and get laughs? So let's revisit my original post. John Stewart is funny as hell but make no mistake, he is for Liberals as what Fox is for Republicans, a cheerleader for the party and causes he supports. He shapes opinions. Liberal opinions. He gets invited to the White House a few times to help push the president's policy proposals, and he obliges. Edited July 28, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 So let's revisit my original post. He shapes opinions. Liberal opinions, such as climate change to just name one and there are many more. He gets invited to the White House a few times to help push the president's policy proposals, and he obliges. Your original post compared him to Fox news which is idiotic. Fox news has a responsibility to be impartial. Stewart (and comedy shows everywhere) do not. It's a poor analogy poorly used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Your original post compared him to Fox news which is idiotic. Fox news has a responsibility to be impartial. Stewart (and comedy shows everywhere) do not. It's a poor analogy poorly used. No, what's idiotic is that you are one of the many lemmings who believes that Jon Stewart is only a comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 No, what's idiotic is that you are one of the many lemmings who believes that Jon Stewart is only a comedian. Holy **** you're dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Holy **** you're dense. Says the lemming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Says the lemming. You're much more entertaining when you post as gator, FYI. Your "double dumb-ass on you" insults play much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You're much more entertaining when you post as gator, FYI. Your "double dumb-ass on you" insults play much better. And you are equaling as entertaining as posting as GreggyT the lemming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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