Chef Jim Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He probably had some. For all I know, some counseling may be mandatory for such gender changes. It definitely should be - a gender change is not an easy thing to deal with, and calls for some professional psychological support. Here's the interesting thing. How do you underwrite life insurance? The application is going to say female but should be actuarially underwritten as a male I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I just hate that this is the top news story for some people. Society will be much better off when we can just shrug our collective shoulders when someone makes a decision like this. I hope Caitlin has a wonderful life, I really do. Live and let live. Now back to things that really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I am curious what some of the members here would call a family member if they went through something like this? I could not imagine calling a member of my family 'disgusting' or 'it' if they felt so strongly about their gender identification that they went through something this traumatic and drastic. I know we all like to joke or mock that which we don't understand because it is a coping mechanism, but in the end, they are real people with real feelings, and they have families and friends with real feelings. They would be disowned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I just hate that this is the top news story for some people. Society will be much better off when we can just shrug our collective shoulders when someone makes a decision like this. I hope Caitlin has a wonderful life, I really do. Live and let live. Now back to things that really matter. It is something strange that this is so important. It really says a lot about the sensibilities of the country. NSA spying on people? Who cares. Hillary laundering money through her charity? Who cares. But roll out any freak show featuring a celebrity that is priority one. I am in the "Live and let live" and "shrug shoulders" category. Like you I hope Jenner the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I just hate that this is the top news story for some people. Society will be much better off when we can just shrug our collective shoulders when someone makes a decision like this. I hope Caitlin has a wonderful life, I really do. Live and let live. Now back to things that really matter. per don patrick I believe Caitlin will now be awared the Arthur Ashe courage award on the ESPY's in July. She just unseeded the girl Lauran hill(?) who died of cancer as a college basketball player and got to play for a series or two. if this is true. it is effin sick.but ratings and money are the country's priorties,and the medias priorties. But seeing Caitlin will probably wear a nice black dress and wear heels on stage to collect her "award" Because thats what the corporate media wants. I am sure the ratings sadly will be through the roof. Edited June 3, 2015 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 per don patrick I believe Caitlin will now be awared the Arthur Ashe courage award on the ESPY's in July. She just unseeded the girl Lauran hill(?) who died of cancer as a college basketball player and got to play for a series or two. if this is true. it is effin sick.but ratings and money are the country's priorties,and the medias priorties. But seeing Caitlin will probably wear a nice black dress and wear heels on stage to collect her "award" Because thats what the corporate media wants. I am sure the ratings sadly will be through the roof. I consider what Bruce Jenner is doing as extremely courageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I consider what Bruce Jenner is doing as extremely courageous. And very good for the family bank accounts. Myself, I lost a wife to cancer, i have cancer. i personally think that kids courage far outweighs an extremely,wealthy man coming out of the closet. But that just my opinion of courage. As for bruce jenner i have no opinion i am open minded having spent 32+ years in SF. Stuff (courage) like this doesn't even scratch the radar. But when the going gets tough.mwhen the jerks like Cavuto attack. Caitlin can lock herself in her multi million dollar mansion on Malibu beach. The kid that died IMO was the one with courage. And simply was way more deserving of a courage award. This stunt by espn if true has zero to do with courage and all to do with money and ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 as do I, but what Lauren Hill did was beyond compare, the strength to follow her dream in the face of death. She should be the recipient of the Ashe Award. I consider what Bruce Jenner is doing as extremely courageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 And very good for the family bank accounts. Myself, I lost a wife to cancer, i have cancer. i personally think that kids courage far outweighs an extremely,wealthy man coming out of the closet. But that just my opinion of courage. As for bruce jenner i have no opinion i am open minded having spent 32+ years in SF. Stuff (courage) like this doesn't even scratch the radar. But when the going gets tough.mwhen the jerks like Cavuto attack. Caitlin can lock herself in her multi million dollar mansion on Malibu beach. The kid that died IMO was the one with courage. And simply was way more deserving of a courage award. This stunt by espn if true has zero to do with courage and all to do with money and ratings. I certainly wasn't comparing Jenner going public with his gender identity issues to one battling cancer and I sincerely apologize if that's how what I said was interpreted. From what I can tell, Jenner has had the money to do this for decades, but not the courage until recently. Yes, he will make money from going public and it could very well have been one reason he decided to do it at this point in his life. Regardless, I guess I'm just saying that this, to me, is very courageous. I don't know what it's like to live 40-50 years as a man and feeling like a woman. I also don't know what it's like to live with cancer. I consider myself lucky. I have a problem with what ESPN is doing/why they're doing it. Ideally, Jenner would tell them to eff off and acknowledge that the girl who died is far more deserving (not sure who could possibly disagree with that); but chances are, he won't. I'll have a problem with that, too; but not as much as ESPN. As you said, the move by ESPN is purely money/ratings related. I just don't think that's the case with Jenner. as do I, but what Lauren Hill did was beyond compare, the strength to follow her dream in the face of death. She should be the recipient of the Ashe Award. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Stewie Griffin, a visionary or a wizard??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BE18ac3zY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Is Caitlyn a lesbian? Yes it is. And very good for the family bank accounts. Myself, I lost a wife to cancer, i have cancer. i personally think that kids courage far outweighs an extremely,wealthy man coming out of the closet. But that just my opinion of courage. As for bruce jenner i have no opinion i am open minded having spent 32+ years in SF. Stuff (courage) like this doesn't even scratch the radar. But when the going gets tough.mwhen the jerks like Cavuto attack. Caitlin can lock herself in her multi million dollar mansion on Malibu beach. The kid that died IMO was the one with courage. And simply was way more deserving of a courage award. This stunt by espn if true has zero to do with courage and all to do with money and ratings. I agree. Edited June 3, 2015 by Clippers of Nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Is it rude to call him or her IT? Ha ha ha Anyway to answer the question. Hell no! Ps. She or he or it doesnt look that bad. There are real (can I say that without offending?) women that dont look as good as him, her, or it. Hell NO! Anyway, if I remember my first conjugation Latin: amo amas amat... He, she OR IT loves amamus amatis amant amat... IT loves. IT loves the attention IT is getting. :-/ :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hell NO! Anyway, if I remember my first conjugation Latin: amo amas amat... He, she OR IT loves amamus amatis amant amat... IT loves. IT loves the attention IT is getting. :-/ :-/ How can a person be an it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I certainly wasn't comparing Jenner going public with his gender identity issues to one battling cancer and I sincerely apologize if that's how what I said was interpreted. From what I can tell, Jenner has had the money to do this for decades, but not the courage until recently. Yes, he will make money from going public and it could very well have been one reason he decided to do it at this point in his life. Regardless, I guess I'm just saying that this, to me, is very courageous. I don't know what it's like to live 40-50 years as a man and feeling like a woman. I also don't know what it's like to live with cancer. I consider myself lucky. I have a problem with what ESPN is doing/why they're doing it. Ideally, Jenner would tell them to eff off and acknowledge that the girl who died is far more deserving (not sure who could possibly disagree with that); but chances are, he won't. I'll have a problem with that, too; but not as much as ESPN. As you said, the move by ESPN is purely money/ratings related. I just don't think that's the case with Jenner. I agree 100%. He/she or it has the "courage" to do it now because society is less structured and accepting. That's NOT courage. That is easy. Courage would have been doing it 40 years ago... But, the Kardashians weren't in the picture back then. How can a person be an it? I don't know... Ancient Romans seemed to have lumped them all together. Any strange coincidence? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'm glad that killing a person on the road a few months ago didn't slow this show down one minute. It's not even brought up from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'm glad that killing a person on the road a few months ago didn't slow this show down one minute. It's not even brought up from what I can tell. He courageously walked away from that event a changed woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 as do I, but what Lauren Hill did was beyond compare, the strength to follow her dream in the face of death. She should be the recipient of the Ashe Award. Exactly. If I spent any time watching EPSN, I'd stop. But I stopped a long time ago outside of the NFL games because everything else that channel does makes my brain want to turn into tapioca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 One guy's opinion on whether he is a she: http://www.youngcons.com/fearless-blogger-matt-walsh-says-calling-bruce-jenner-a-woman-is-an-insult-to-women/ Last question for the people particularly straight men who claim there is no real distinction between a transgender woman and a real woman: Would you marry a woman who used to be a man? Would you look at this former man and think, I want to make him my wife? Answer: No. You wouldnt. You wont. And you know it. Instinctively, when it comes down to it, where your life and love are concerned, you recognize the difference between a biological woman in all her glory, and a castrated man in all his derangement. Im spending thousands of words convincing you of something you know. And I know you know it. And everyone knows that everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Exactly. If I spent any time watching EPSN, I'd stop. But I stopped a long time ago outside of the NFL games because everything else that channel does makes my brain want to turn into tapioca. Same here. I refuse to go to the website, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Same here. I refuse to go to the website, too. Hey Gug... Do you care to comment on Rob's House post above? ;-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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