billieve420 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 He's a 5th round pick... It's a possibility they stash him on the PS. That or stash him on IR due to a mysterious injury. Essentially a red shirt year as this may be the last season for both Fred and Bryce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 They'll be more than 5 WR.... Remember Easley was just resigned. I imagine it's Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, Hogan and Easley... I was thinking about that before. It depends on what they think of Easley as an emergency WR. I think he's fine in a pinch, especially because we have so many weapons. I think they decide between Goodwin and Hogan, and they keep one or two big WR on the PS in case of injury. It's possible, because guys like Darby and Williams are so good on ST, that Easley don't make it, or they scrap the KO specialist and open up a roster spot for a 6th WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I doubt they get rid of him. Crossman loves his core ST's. And Roman is very familiar with Boobie as well. So he has two advocates amongst the coordinators. Why couldn't Williams (a former safety) provide just as much "core" ST value, for a lot less $$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 H-Back? Tight end? Big boy, seems to change positions every couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Brown has never come close to living up to the hype some posters have for him. IMO, trading for Brown was one of Whaley's worst moves. Brown showed a lot of potential in Philly. For a 4th rounder? Not a bad move. It just hasn't worked out, but that could be said about many players on Doug Marrone's offense. It seems like there isn't too many players on the offensive side that didn't spend an inordinate amount of time in his dog house. All people talk about is the fumble against KC, which was huge, but he was working the Chiefs pretty good during that game. Against Miami he looked good too. He catches the ball well, has excellent speed. But those fumbles follow him, as they should... When the new HC won't say your name until you learn to hold on to the rock... Brown is on the line come camp. Edited May 2, 2015 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I'm not sure the FB will be counted in this. I suspect that we go with 5 WR, 3TE, 4RB and 1 FB. But it's a really tough decision. Freddy may be gone but I would hate to see it. In the 3 count? No way the fb is included. McCoy Williams And Freddy, Dixon, brown fighting for one spot (maybe two if terry won't let them cut Freddy even if he's 4th! Juuuust joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 That or stash him on IR due to a mysterious injury. Essentially a red shirt year as this may be the last season for both Fred and Bryce. If they put him on IR he can't practice at all. But PS he would stand a good chance of being signed away if he looks good in camp/pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 4m4 minutes ago Then there's this: Karlos Williams is also accused of setting up a drug deal that led to an armed robbery. http://deadspin.com/cops-man-says-karlos-williams-set-up-pot-deal-that-led-1652313343 … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It was like buying an insurance policy at the time. No one like to pay for insurance, but sometimes you write the check so you can worry about something else... Good point. I just got so frustrated with folks telling me he was going to be better than Spiller. I love Whaley. I hated spending a 4th rounder on a rb. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 No way Dixon gets cut IMO...too good on ST, too good in the locker room, and simply too Rex-ish a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Brown showed a lot of potential in Philly. For a 4th rounder? Not a bad move. It just hasn't worked out, but that could be said about many players on Doug Marrone's offense. All people talk about is the fumble against KC, which was huge, but he was working the Chiefs pretty good during that game. Against Miami he looked good too. He catches the ball well, has excellent speed. But those fumbles follow him, as they should... Agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong, I think Marrone is awful. But Brown had the lowest ypc on the team at 3.5. He was bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 In the 3 count? No way the fb is included. McCoy Williams And Freddy, Dixon, brown fighting for one spot (maybe two if terry won't let them cut Freddy even if he's 4th! Juuuust joking) I don't know about Williams being a lock. Remember, Whaley said it would be very hard for these late round picks to make the team. He'll really have to have a strong camp to not end up on the practice squad if they keep Dixon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Why couldn't Williams (a former safety) provide just as much "core" ST value, for a lot less $$$? Because Boobie is proven. Williams, at the NFL level, is not. We'll see how he looks in pre-season. Edited May 2, 2015 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 He's a 5th round pick... It's a possibility they stash him on the PS. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 4m4 minutes ago Then there's this: Karlos Williams is also accused of setting up a drug deal that led to an armed robbery. http://deadspin.com/cops-man-says-karlos-williams-set-up-pot-deal-that-led-1652313343 Who hasn't? And Williams definitely has major character issues. If doesn't clean it up, he won't be long in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 In the 3 count? No way the fb is included. McCoy Williams And Freddy, Dixon, brown fighting for one spot (maybe two if terry won't let them cut Freddy even if he's 4th! Juuuust joking) Of course not in the 3 count. I was thinking 4 count (even going in before Williams, with McCoy, Freddy, Boobie and Brown). They could still keep four because of ST, short yardage, lack of a good TE meaning keep one less than Roman may want and use Boobie and Felton as that guy who can block, move in motion, maybe flare out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Boobie could free up $1.1 million in cap space (vs. $660,000 for Bryce Brown). If Williams can provide the same ST value, it may come down to a $$$ decision... Get younger, get cheaper, get more talented. It's how you churn guys in a roster like this. I've been saying vets that don't start will have a target on them and this looks to be a guy that facilitates one of those moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 4m4 minutes ago Then there's this: Karlos Williams is also accused of setting up a drug deal that led to an armed robbery. http://deadspin.com/cops-man-says-karlos-williams-set-up-pot-deal-that-led-1652313343 … Yeah, we're starting to build and all-star line up. "Turn to your right..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong, I think Marrone is awful. But Brown had the lowest ypc on the team at 3.5. He was bad. So were all of the RB's last year. Was it more them, or the line or the coach? How many linemen regressed last season. Mike Williams in the doghouse. Goodwin... 1 catch (and he was a healthy scratch on many occassions.) I'm so glad Marrone quit. Edited May 2, 2015 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 We may need to cut Fred if Brown looks decent in camp. Unfortunately you may be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Of course not in the 3 count. I was thinking 4 count (even going in before Williams, with McCoy, Freddy, Boobie and Brown). They could still keep four because of ST, short yardage, lack of a good TE meaning keep one less than Roman may want and use Boobie and Felton as that guy who can block, move in motion, maybe flare out. Beyond being in sf, do we have any indication that roman actually likes boobie? I don't recall any comments (good or bad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Whaley also said some of these picks might not make the team.. It's certainly a possibility. Tank Carder didn't make the Bills squad and he was a 5th round pick. So i wouldn't write off players already on the roster just because Williams was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Get younger, get cheaper, get more talented. It's how you churn guys in a roster like this. I've been saying vets that don't start will have a target on them and this looks to be a guy that facilitates one of those moves. Unfortunately for Boobie, that's the fallout from having a top heavy salary structure. The middle class gets smaller, even though he's a nice player and seems like a good presence in the locker room... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Blocking TE. couldn't a big FB do the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 6 things to know about RB Karlos Williams Get to know new Buffalo Bills running back Karlos Williams. 2015 Draft profile: RB Karlos Williams, Florida State (3:11) Take a look at the college highlights of Florida State running back Karlos Williams. Bills pick Karlos Williams No. 155 in 2015 NFL Draft (3:14) The Buffalo Bills pick Florida State running back Karlos Williams No. 155 in the 2015 NFL Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 So were all of the RB's last year. Was it more them, or the line or the coach? I think the oline and coach were huge problems. But Brown was the worst. Even worse than 87 year old Fred Jackson. He was like Spiller without the speed. He looked like just another dime a dozen rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 No love for Bryce in his limited role, yet some people still think EJ should get more chances. You are comparing apples to oranges; the point most people are making, IMO, is that Brown does not really fit the mold of ground & pound, plus ball security has been his demon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yep. He will only see the field on special teams, this season. He may not even make the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Beyond being in sf, do we have any indication that roman actually likes boobie? I don't recall any comments (good or bad) I can't remember if it was a comment Boobie made about being happy about Roman, or Roman about Boobie, but it was a very favorable comment like happy about reunion. But it's kind of hard to believe a guy like Roman doesn't love a guy like Boobie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Just to recap...we traded our fourth round pick for Bryce Brown and then drafted his replacement in the fifth. Whaley's a crafty one. It's his way of dropping salary. Next year he'll pick a RB in the 6th round to replace Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis in NC Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @BuffaloBillsPR Despite only playing running back for two seasons, Karlos Williams ranks ninth in @FSU_Football school history with 22 rushing touchdowns. Karlos Williams was also a key special teamer at FSU, returning 29 kicks during his four years as a Seminole. Oh, nice! I'd like to have a 230-pound kick returner! I hope he could be effective in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 No love for Bryce in his limited role, yet some people still think EJ should get more chances. This is filled with so much wrong. Running back is the easiest position to come into the league and play. But you're right. A first round pick qb and rb you traded a 4th round pick for should be judged completely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Oh, nice! I'd like to have a 230-pound kick returner! I hope he could be effective in that role. He won't return kicks with Harvin on the roster, but he could have a role on ST if he makes the 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemson Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) I think there is a lot of posts underplaying the guys skill. Freak athlete, still pretty green when it comes to the position but still managed 11 TDs in each of the last two seasons (most efficient red zone RB in the draft). I feel like he has a chance to be the #2 by the first week of the season. Also, seems to be a special teams star, which is always good in late round picks Edited May 2, 2015 by Clemson Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @JoeBuscaglia: #Bills pick HB Karlos Williams at 155. I love the pick, and I explain why here: http://t.co/DLewA1rscL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @JoeBuscaglia: #Bills pick HB Karlos Williams at 155. I love the pick, and I explain why here: http://t.co/DLewA1rscL Is it because he's a "FSU Alum" haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @RQUINN619: Karlos to me is TJ Yeldon-lite. Runs a hit high, but a big, powerful, north-south runner. Once he learns to press hole, watch out. Is it because he's a "FSU Alum" hahayep homer alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Is it because he's a "FSU Alum" haha 1) he didn't graduate from there 2) he hates EJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 1) he didn't graduate from there 2) he hates EJ I know that, hence the " " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I think there is a lot of posts underplaying the guys skill. Freak athlete, still pretty green when it comes to the position but still managed 11 TDs in each of the last two seasons (most efficient red zone RB in the draft). I feel like he has a chance to be the #2 by the first week of the season. Also, seems to be a special teams star, which is always good in late round picks Agreed. Also, if he doesn't clean up his off the field stuff, he might not even got a shot. There are some big red flags with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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