The Wiz Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 For the 85th time, that's not what he was asked. He and his lawyers were allowed to collect the requested data--the NFL would never even see the phone. This happens all the time, every day in litigations and investigations of every kind. His lawyers have a duty to keep it confidential. They breach that, they get disbarred and get massively sued. Full stop.But can he own two phones from the same provider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Guaranteed it ain't dick pics. Anatomically impossible. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Naked pictures of Wes Welker and Julian Edelman, you know, for "comparison" purposes. Nudies of Gronk. You guys beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 aaron hernandez murder evidence? Can you support his claim? I ask because Brady's agent says that one of the reasons why he advised against his client handing over the text messages is it might set a bad precedent for the players. I can't imagine this is something the NFLPA would want for its membership. There has been speculation that he didn't get representation from the NFLPA because they would have recommended he turn over the phone records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 aaron hernandez murder evidence And here I was going with Donald sterling style comments as the crazy thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 And here I was going with Donald sterling style comments as the crazy thing. Oh, what we think of as crazy is just the tip of what is possible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) For some odd reason he has the dick watch selfie that Brett Favre took when he was with the Jets. Edited May 10, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So the precedent argument is officially unfounded, ignorant, and misplaced: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/no-decisions-have-been-made-on-tom-brady-yet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I could give a crap about Brady's phone... For a deflation story...this whole thing is overblown. I know my opinion won't be popular...but if this is truly a standard for the NFL, game balls should be randomly checked and thrown out in-game. Using a slightly (and we are talking slightly) under inflated ball is akin to a scuffed baseball for a pitcher not even a spitter. In general, the NFL takes the worst possible approach to these things -- prosecuting after the fact rather than proactively protecting their interpretation of the integrity of the game.....the NFL can and should do better than this. We would all be bitching to holy hell if the Bills were the team accused. As usual here, the cover up is worse than the crime and Brady will be punished...but I place the blame squarely on the NFL for their lax definition and enforcement of the "integrity of the game" (what bull ****).... For game #2 of the upcoming season, I want Brady playing. I want it to be the worst game of his career just like the Bills D forced Aaron Rodgers into last season. The Bills are a dominating D and I don't want a week 2 win tainted like the week 17 win from last year.... But we're not, because we're not !@#$ing cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I delete the majority of text messages once read. Why keep them. Once deleted can the be recovered? I am not sure not w/o extensive memory searches or getting into the carriers database. but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bftvocal70 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 BB oiled up wearing just a hoodie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I delete the majority of text messages once read. Why keep them. Once deleted can the be recovered? I am not sure not w/o extensive memory searches or getting into the carriers database. but I could be wrong. I believe the content of text messages can be recovered for at least a certain amount of time, even after the message is deleted on the device. It takes a subpoena to get the stuff, but it can be done. I've been curious about Apple's iMessages, because those aren't true "text messages." My carrier doesn't have any record of them. Does Apple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I delete the majority of text messages once read. Why keep them. Once deleted can the be recovered? I am not sure not w/o extensive memory searches or getting into the carriers database. but I could be wrong. Actually, deleted messages are maintained on the phone and can be recovered until they are over-written. It is done all the time in criminal investigations. However, consent or a warrant is needed to do so. Also, most carriers maintain records of text messages and attachments to texts that can be obtained with a subpoena. Again, they are standard investigative steps in criminal investigations - which is completely different than what the NFL does, which is essentially an internal investigation within a private company. Edited May 10, 2015 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I believe the content of text messages can be recovered for at least a certain amount of time, even after the message is deleted on the device. It takes a subpoena to get the stuff, but it can be done. I've been curious about Apple's iMessages, because those aren't true "text messages." My carrier doesn't have any record of them. Does Apple? Which makes you wonder why these 2 boneheads kept the texts on the phones. How would Wells be able to secure a subpoena to a phone service carrier for a non-criminal, non-civil case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Which makes you wonder why these 2 boneheads kept the texts on the phones. How would Wells be able to secure a subpoena to a phone service carrier for a non-criminal, non-civil case? Which is why delusional Pats** fans telling Brady to fight this in the courts will be sorely disappointed. He won't open himself up to a civil subpoena of those records. He made a calculated decision that stonewalling was better for him than turning them over. Remember from the Hernandez trial that coaches are not supposed to be communicating with players during the offseason so a simple series of texts or emails from BB would put them both in the soup, for ex. Edited May 10, 2015 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Which makes you wonder why these 2 boneheads kept the texts on the phones. How would Wells be able to secure a subpoena to a phone service carrier for a non-criminal, non-civil case? I think you answered your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Which is why delusional Pats** fans telling Brady to fight this in the courts will be sorely disappointed. He won't open himself up to a civil subpoena of those records. He made a calculated decision that stonewalling was better for him than turning them over. My belief all along has been that Brady believed that refusing to turn over relevant information from his phone and accepting any subsequent punishment for lack of candor/cooperation would be far less damaging than what was on the phone. I base that on the NFL's willingness to have the information completely sanitized by Brady's own attorneys before turning it over. IMO, it negates any argument against turning the information over, other than Brady believed the relevant information was very damaging to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 My belief all along has been that Brady believed that refusing to turn over relevant information from his phone and accepting any subsequent punishment for lack of candor/cooperation would be far less damaging than what was on the phone. I base that on the NFL's willingness to have the information completely sanitized by Brady's own attorneys before turning it over. IMO, it negates any argument against turning the information over, other than Brady believed the relevant information was very damaging to him. i agree. His refusal to cooperate will be his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/GlitrStarFairy1_900h.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Which makes you wonder why these 2 boneheads kept the texts on the phones. How would Wells be able to secure a subpoena to a phone service carrier for a non-criminal, non-civil case? Would he need a subpoena? These were company issued cell phones, so the Company probably retains the right to check the records of the phones. Edited May 10, 2015 by Captain Caveman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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