NoSaint Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Without a drag racing partner, there is no drag racing conviction. Essentially it's speeding and hitting a tree. If you want to talk about how he could have killed someone, you'd have to do the same with every case of speeding and the NFL doesn't want to get into that. Remind me where I said he could have killed someone? I was saying they don't need legal proof, and even if a shaky situation paired with another arrest you might see a game off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Remind me where I said he could have killed someone? I was saying they don't need legal proof, and even if a shaky situation paired with another arrest you might see a game off. I think that was aimed at another poster. I think we should be wary of a suspension. But the NFL is so inconsistent with their punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Remind me where I said he could have killed someone? I was saying they don't need legal proof, and even if a shaky situation paired with another arrest you might see a game off. I didn't say you said he could have killed someone, but that's been the inference from more than a few posters. And while they don't need legal proof, they need more than just supposition. Drag racing, by definition, requires a partner, otherwise it's speeding, and that's why I was steadfast in saying that Dareus shouldn't have accepted the plea deal and would get off with a traffic ticket. If anything, the spice charge alone will be what may merit a suspension, but again he complied with the court's pre-trial diversion, it was a non-violent crime, and the NFL doesn't ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I didn't say you said he could have killed someone, but that's been the inference from more than a few posters. And while they don't need legal proof, they need more than just supposition. Drag racing, by definition, requires a partner, otherwise it's speeding, and that's why I was steadfast in saying that Dareus shouldn't have accepted the plea deal and would get off with a traffic ticket. If anything, the spice charge alone will be what may merit a suspension, but again he complied with the court's pre-trial diversion, it was a non-violent crime, and the NFL doesn't ban it. Well, you did say "if you want to say...." In reply to my post so I figured you were trying to use that in retort to my reasonable point instead of arguing against the known troll. The NFL doesn't ban it is true but that simply means it falls under conduct instead of substance - which means the two issues stack in the same category. Alone it hasn't been a suspension previously. Drag racing I could see falling either way but not know the precedent. Two arrests in one offseason though could easily end in a game off. We will see. I think it's pretty close to the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Well, you did say "if you want to say...." In reply to my post so I figured you were trying to use that in retort to my reasonable point instead of arguing against the known troll. The NFL doesn't ban it is true but that simply means it falls under conduct instead of substance - which means the two issues stack in the same category. Alone it hasn't been a suspension previously. Drag racing I could see falling either way but not know the precedent. Two arrests in one offseason though could easily end in a game off. We will see. I think it's pretty close to the edge. That was a generic "you." My posts aren't mean just for the person to whom I'm replying. And again, it will be interesting to see how Sir Roger rules on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Some think Dareus got off easy http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/three-point-stance/2015/04/08/did-dareus-get-off-easy/25460167/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Dareus will be here one way or another.... bills could use the franchise tag twice on him and SAVE money doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Some think Dareus got off easy http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/three-point-stance/2015/04/08/did-dareus-get-off-easy/25460167/ I saw that yesterday Regarding the spice charge, he got what anyone would have gotten for a first time non-violent offense in 'Bama. And as for the drag racing incident, he got what anyone who had a halfway competent lawyer would have gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Some think Dareus got off easy http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/three-point-stance/2015/04/08/did-dareus-get-off-easy/25460167/ That guy is a joke. He's like Rochester version of Jerry Sullivan. Most people would have gotten a blurb in the police blotter and had community service. It would have been quickly forgotten. Dareus was front page news. It was dumb but there is so much double standard here. I hate Vick and think he is trash. But how many dog fighters have gotten the punishment he has? Sometimes, it is worse to be a famous person because you are used to be made an example of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I think the Bills would be more than comfortable in resigning Dareus but i believe it will take a small miracle from Overdorf to be able to resign him with all the money they have signed FA's this year plus the contracts that will be coming up next year . I think next year has a lot of obstacle's to over come as far as the cap is concerned !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 I think the Bills would be more than comfortable in resigning Dareus but i believe it will take a small miracle from Overdorf to be able to resign him with all the money they have signed FA's this year plus the contracts that will be coming up next year . I think next year has a lot of obstacle's to over come as far as the cap is concerned !! i actually think they have been structuring the contracts all along with the plan of how to sign Dareus. They have identified him as a core building block for the team. They won't just start trying to figure out how to work his deal under the cap now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How does the Le'Veon Bell 3 game suspension affect the ruling on Dareus? Hmmmm. How does the Le'Veon Bell 3 game suspension affect the ruling on Dareus? Hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 i actually think they have been structuring the contracts all along with the plan of how to sign Dareus. They have identified him as a core building block for the team. They won't just start trying to figure out how to work his deal under the cap now. 100%. If Dareus leaves Buffalo, it more than likely won't be for more money or a better deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 That guy is a joke. He's like Rochester version of Jerry Sullivan. Most people would have gotten a blurb in the police blotter and had community service. It would have been quickly forgotten. Dareus was front page news. It was dumb but there is so much double standard here. I hate Vick and think he is trash. But how many dog fighters have gotten the punishment he has? Sometimes, it is worse to be a famous person because you are used to be made an example of. The DA said that he was being treated more harshly due to his celebrity status. That's why they came up with the plea deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The DA said that he was being treated more harshly due to his celebrity status. That's why they came up with the plea deal. The DA in Dareus' case said that? If so, do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I think the ridiculous part is that part of the plea deal requires him to hold a camp for high school students.Just what you want ,a known drug abuser with enough poor judgement to engage in an unauthorized speed contest on a public street influencing young minds.No thank you Mr. Dareus, our community seeks a higher class of teacher. That guy is a joke. He's like Rochester version of Jerry Sullivan.Most people would have gotten a blurb in the police blotter and had community service. It would have been quickly forgotten. Dareus was front page news.It was dumb but there is so much double standard here. I hate Vick and think he is trash. But how many dog fighters have gotten the punishment he has? Sometimes, it is worse to be a famous person because you are used to be made an example of. Yeah, this guy is a joke because he has an expectation of players conducting themselves with a standard of following the law .Its funny how you support the drug abuse and dangerous actions on our public streets but you criticize this writer.Someone is a complete joke but its NOT these writers. Edited April 10, 2015 by Very wide right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think the ridiculous part is that part of the plea deal requires him to hold a camp for high school students.Just what you want a known drug abuser with enough poor judgement to engage in an unauthorized speed contest on a public street influencing young minds.No thank you Mr. Dareus, my son seeks a higher class of teacher. Yeah, this guy is a joke because he has an expectation of players conducting themselves with a standard of following the law .Its funny how you support the drug abuse and dangerous actions on our public streets but you criticize this writer.Someone is a complete joke but its NOT these writers. Folks, please step aside as the troll is not good around small children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Folks, please step aside as the troll is not good around small children. That's cute Joe but how about a response with some substance? Go ahead,give an argument to support this lawlessness.If a troll follows laws and expects that our pro athletes follow suit then I'm proud to be your troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 That's cute Joe but how about a response with some substance? Go ahead,give an argument to support this lawlessness.If a troll follows laws and expects that our pro athletes follow suit then I'm proud to be your troll Why are you even here? I've never read you say one good thing about the Bills. Doug, you're the one that chose to leave, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think the ridiculous part is that part of the plea deal requires him to hold a camp for high school students.Just what you want ,a known drug abuser with enough poor judgement to engage in an unauthorized speed contest on a public street influencing young minds.No thank you Mr. Dareus, our community seeks a higher class of teacher. Yeah, this guy is a joke because he has an expectation of players conducting themselves with a standard of following the law .Its funny how you support the drug abuse and dangerous actions on our public streets but you criticize this writer.Someone is a complete joke but its NOT these writers. looked at a different way, maybe he can talk to kids about how he was able to put these mistakes behind him and talk about why he is choosing the right path from now on. Also it's a free camp so maybe there will be some lower income kids there, he can talk about how he overcame the hardship he experienced as a youth. I don't approve of what he did either but if it scared him straight and he realizes how lucky he was that he didn't hurt anyone or himself and it has led him toward needed self improvement, I think that's a good message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 looked at a different way, maybe he can talk to kids about how he was able to put these mistakes behind him and talk about why he is choosing the right path from now on. Also it's a free camp so maybe there will be some lower income kids there, he can talk about how he overcame the hardship he experienced as a youth. I don't approve of what he did either but if it scared him straight and he realizes how lucky he was that he didn't hurt anyone or himself and it has led him toward needed self improvement, I think that's a good message. Yolo, I always appreciate your insight on these forums.You are a welcome bit of reason here. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Someone is a complete joke but its NOT these writers. You're right, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 You're right, it's you. Excellent work GREGGY!! Next time maybe you can try and put a few sentences together and formulate an opinion. Very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Excellent work GREGGY!! Next time maybe you can try and put a few sentences together and formulate an opinion. Very good! For a while there I thought you were a troll. But that was such a lame response I have to reconsider the fact you might really be that dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Excellent work GREGGY!! Next time maybe you can try and put a few sentences together and formulate an opinion. Very good! I don't need multiple sentences to formulate my opinion about your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 For a while there I thought you were a troll. But that was such a lame response I have to reconsider the fact you might really be that dumb. Thank you Kelly.Some day when you get to college you'll understand that a professor wont allow hit and run answers in a debate.Its considered intellectually lazy.Calling other people dumb and troll are easy but most people would enjoy reading you trying to substantiate your views. I usually don't waste my time in dialogue with posters that are limited to name calling but today I thought I'd try to help you because you seem like you need it. Have a nice day Kelly. I don't need multiple sentences to formulate my opinion about your posts. Exactly,your opinions only require four words at most.Think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Thank you Kelly.Some day when you get to college you'll understand that a professor wont allow hit and run answers in a debate.Its considered intellectually lazy.Calling other people dumb and troll are easy but most people would enjoy reading you trying to substantiate your views. I usually don't waste my time in dialogue with posters that are limited to name calling but today I thought I'd try to help you because you seem like you need it. Have a nice day Kelly. Exactly,your opinions only require four words at most.Think about that. It does not take a thesis to give a opinion...... Sometimes less is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Exactly,your opinions only require four words at most.Think about that. If I promise to think, will you try doing the same before you post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 This thread has now got some serious potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Personally, I believe it's very natural to get heated over someone not agreeing with my worldview on speeding charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumin Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Thank you Kelly.Some day when you get to college you'll understand that a professor wont allow hit and run answers in a debate.Its considered intellectually lazy.Calling other people dumb and troll are easy but most people would enjoy reading you trying to substantiate your views. I usually don't waste my time in dialogue with posters that are limited to name calling but today I thought I'd try to help you because you seem like you need it. Have a nice day Kelly. Exactly,your opinions only require four words at most.Think about that. Calling other people dumb and troll *is easy But go ahead, continue to talk about college... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) i actually think they have been structuring the contracts all along with the plan of how to sign Dareus. They have identified him as a core building block for the team. They won't just start trying to figure out how to work his deal under the cap now.I've been thinking lately that they could possibly let Dareus walk in order to have the space to sign our other big paydays upcoming (Gilmore & Glenn). Gilmore, after a year playing in Rex's system, will possibly become the highest paid corner in the league. I'd love to know which guy Rex thinks is more crucial to his defense. This is for anyone with good knowledge of the salary cap. If Dareus and Gilmore both get top contracts, will they be able to sign Glenn? Not having a high paid QB helps, but if EJ/Taylor/Meh play well, they'll be needing contracts too. Edited April 10, 2015 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I've been thinking lately that they could possibly let Dareus walk in order to have the space to sign our other big paydays upcoming (Gilmore & Glenn). Gilmore, after a year playing in Rex's system, will possibly become the highest paid corner in the league. I'd love to know which guy Rex thinks is more crucial to his defense. This is for anyone with good knowledge of the salary cap. If Dareus and Gilmore both get top contracts, will they be able to sign Glenn? Not having a hit paid QB helps, but if EJ/Taylor/Meh play will, they'll be needing contracts too. Yes. Glenn is a solid LT, but he isn't top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I lol when I hear people start to talk about life post Marcel Guys.....you do NOT want that to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I've been thinking lately that they could possibly let Dareus walk in order to have the space to sign our other big paydays upcoming (Gilmore & Glenn). Gilmore, after a year playing in Rex's system, will possibly become the highest paid corner in the league. I'd love to know which guy Rex thinks is more crucial to his defense. This is for anyone with good knowledge of the salary cap. If Dareus and Gilmore both get top contracts, will they be able to sign Glenn? Not having a high paid QB helps, but if EJ/Taylor/Meh play well, they'll be needing contracts too. imo both Glenn - and to a lesser degree - Gilmore, are more replaceable than Dareus. Anyway I do think they can sign all 3. The cap and contracts are all fluid. But the players will have to want to stay to get a deal to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 imo both Glenn - and to a lesser degree - Gilmore, are more replaceable than Dareus. Anyway I do think they can sign all 3. The cap and contracts are all fluid. But the players will have to want to stay to get a deal to work. Good points. I think Dareus is the best DT in football. I think Gilmore will be one of the best. Glenn probably is the most replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Wait and build incentives in based on being "mature". Stay out of trouble and we pay him. Su is not mature. He never will be. Dareus is just young and had his problems. Hope for the best for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The DA in Dareus' case said that? If so, do you have a link? Marcell Dareus was allowed to plead guilty to two traffic violations in a high-profile street-racing case after prosecutors came to realize they were treating the Buffalo Bills All-Pro defensive lineman differently than an ordinary defendant. Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III on Tuesday afternoon related a conversation he had a few weeks ago with Bethany Solek, the prosecutor handling the Dareus case. “Are we treating him differently because of his notoriety?” Sedita said he asked. “She said, ‘Frankly, I think we are.’ ” Sedita said that didn’t sit well with him. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/bills-marcell-dareus-pleads-guilty-to-violations-in-crash-20150407 Are we good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/bills-marcell-dareus-pleads-guilty-to-violations-in-crash-20150407 Are we good? Yes thanks, and relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yes thanks, and relax. I just got annoyed because it was the third time in a week somebody asked me to get a link for them. The last one - after I went searching for it, and provided it, he then said thanks, but I can't read it at work. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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