BRH Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 now look what you've done... Tom Brady: My feelings got hurt http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12229774/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-putting-personal-feelings-aside-deflategate-concentrate-super-bowl-xlix Wah wah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 OMG!!! Belichick clearly beginning to get agitated by focus on deflation scandalyou reap what you sew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 OMG!!! Belichick clearly beginning to get agitated by focus on deflation scandal you reap what you sew wait til media day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 wait til media day Easy out for that ... "we have no comment due to the ongoing investigation by the NFL". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm glad they didn't just come out and admit it. Because now if the league does find them guilty it'll be a much, much bigger deal because of the lying and deceit. Even when Spygate happened they fessed up. This time it's been nothing but denial. No way they confess in the run up to a SB when they can deflect and draw things out past the game. The NFL more than happy to oblige them, as are the owners, tv networks and sponsors. It's because of Spygate; they know that any violation of the rules (cheating) on their part is endgame for their "dynasty". Hoodie hoists another Lombardi while engulfed in (another) controversy, then retires with his middle finger up. Goodell that C-NT won't take anything away from them, and they know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Easy out for that ... "we have no comment due to the ongoing investigation by the NFL". Until it's asked for the ten thousandth time in twenty minutes... Then it might become difficult to keep a stiff upper lip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 seems the fumble issue is coming to light The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate magnets in their gloves? (sarc) That was brought up in this thread: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/175712-interesting-analysis-of-fumbles-by-team/?p=3438768 One can marginalize to a point how much of an advantage the passer and pass catcher would have in a game using a soft football. But it unquestionably gives a runner a great advantage in nesting the ball and keeping it away from the defense. To me that's the most damning facet of this controversy. The League is going to do nothing to the Pats* until after the SB. This has been a dreadful year for the NFL with respect to PR. Goodell's made a lot of enemies and it remains to be seen if he can weather many other storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) But it unquestionably gives a runner a great advantage in nesting the ball and keeping it away from the defense. i think the questionable part is the word "great" before advantage. its questionable on several fronts -- 1) how great an advantage it really is. if the average person holding the ball can struggle to tell... well... is it 1 less fumble every 2 games, or 2 seasons, or? 2) if lots of teams are doing it, what is the advantage vs the rest of the league? Edited January 26, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If the rest of the league was doing it the Patriots wouldn't be the only ones with off-the-charts fumble statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 i think the questionable part is the word "great" before advantage. its questionable on several fronts -- 1) how great an advantage it really is. if the average person holding the ball can struggle to tell... well... is it 1 less fumble every 2 games, or 2 seasons, or? 2) if lots of teams are doing it, what is the advantage vs the rest of the league? I can't make sense out of your #1. But have you ever held and NFL regulation football? They're hard as hell and slippery too. Deflate them a couple of pounds and it's like putting a handle on the ball. GREAT advantage to the ball carrier IMHO. GREAT. WRT #2 - who says "Lots of teams are doing it? I haven't heard that at all. I'm sure there's some skullduggery that goes on, but what we're discussing here is a systematic program to circumvent the rules. That points a dagger at the integrity of the League and the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ESPN Pulls ‘Sports Science: Deflate-Gate’ Clip Exonerating Patriots https://screen.yahoo.com/espn-pulls-sports-science-deflate-104944669.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 That was brought up in this thread: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/175712-interesting-analysis-of-fumbles-by-team/?p=3438768 One can marginalize to a point how much of an advantage the passer and pass catcher would have in a game using a soft football. But it unquestionably gives a runner a great advantage in nesting the ball and keeping it away from the defense. To me that's the most damning facet of this controversy. The League is going to do nothing to the Pats* until after the SB. This has been a dreadful year for the NFL with respect to PR. Goodell's made a lot of enemies and it remains to be seen if he can weather many other storms. So maybe Tommy boy was being more honest than Brunell and others think. This puts the focus back on Belichek imo, and makes this whole "deflate-gate" thing more of systemic decision for the team than for Brady to pass the ball. Brady probably could care less if the ball is 11 psi or 13. It's Belichek's way of bending the rules once again as far as he can while trying to give his team an advantage. I'm sure he is well aware of the Stats regarding fumbling when they use lower PSI footballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Brady probably could care less if the ball is 11 psi or 13. He has stated otherwise. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ESPN Pulls ‘Sports Science: Deflate-Gate’ Clip Exonerating Patriots https://screen.yahoo.com/espn-pulls-sports-science-deflate-104944669.html I don't understand. Did the clip exonerate the Patriots, or did the fact that ESPN "pulled" the clip exonerate the Patriots? I can't tell from the blurb, which is as badly written as the headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I can't make sense out of your #1. But have you ever held and NFL regulation football? They're hard as hell and slippery too. Deflate them a couple of pounds and it's like putting a handle on the ball. GREAT advantage to the ball carrier IMHO. GREAT. WRT #2 - who says "Lots of teams are doing it? I haven't heard that at all. I'm sure there's some skullduggery that goes on, but what we're discussing here is a systematic program to circumvent the rules. That points a dagger at the integrity of the League and the game itself. 1) weve seen several clips on tv where anchors have said they cant tell the difference between the two balls, and you are arguing that it is like putting a handle on the ball. not sure i buy that extreme take. 2) it seems theres a non-reaction among coaches. we also have another qb saying he likes to overinflate them for his own feel. we also have a college incident. there certainly is some degree of acknowledgement starting to build that this isnt unique, but we dont know how wide spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Who said lots of teams are doing it? Who said lots of teams aren't doing it? - HOFWatkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ^lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Did NFL run sting operation on Patriots to trigger deflate-gate? http://sports.yahoo.com/news/did-nfl-run-sting-operation-on-patriots-to-trigger-deflate-gate--051258575.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'd be pretty shocked if the NFL ran a sting operation on the Patriots the same night the NFL commissioner was partying with the owner of the Patriots at his house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Only the Shadow Knows for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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