boyst Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 What would Jerry Hughes bring in a compensatory pick? If we lost Hughes and Hughes alone, how much is that likely to give us in compensation? I do understand that it is relative to the talent we bring in but by all expectations losing him + the likely Hairston/Pears (or both) plus Lee Smith... I think we might have a large sum of losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 if we end up losing more than we sign, it depends on his future contract but id say a good chance at a 3 or 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 if we end up losing more than we sign, it depends on his future contract but id say a good chance at a 3 or 4 Understood, and DE contracts are generally more $ then FS; Hughes > Byrd. I don't see many desirable and worthy FA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 if we end up losing more than we sign, it depends on his future contract but id say a good chance at a 3 or 4 I think it also depends on future performance, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Understood, and DE contracts are generally more $ then FS; Hughes > Byrd. I don't see many desirable and worthy FA's. Recent guys around that pay level from a projection last year - not sure where it shook out once awarded, but should give an idea the pay scales for the discussion. add a few percentage points to the salaries to age them to todays dollars: 3 – Pittsburgh – Mike Wallace 3 – Green Bay – Greg Jennings 4 – San Francisco – Dashon Goldson 4 – Baltimore – Paul Kruger 4 – Detroit – Gosder Cherilus 4 – Baltimore – Dannell Ellerbe http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#xw41SOLvrXfIixpu.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was going to ask who were the best comp picks ever.. But google answered. #1 = vomit http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000336907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think it also depends on future performance, right? thats said to be in the secret sauce -- but there are people that project up around the 30 out of 32 picks exactly right level pretty early. short of being cut in the first season ive seen no indication that play really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 thats said to be in the secret sauce -- but there are people that project up around the 30 out of 32 picks exactly right level pretty early. short of being cut in the first season ive seen no indication that play really matters. Yeah, I really think it's only contract value. Frankly I hope we don't get any comp picks this year, because I'd rather we keep our guys. But if we do lose Hughes, it might be worth trying to limit FA signings to ineligible players (i.e., they got cut rather than contract expired) and get a 3rd or 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 i still think there's a great chance we re-sign hughes. he's a great player in his own right, but he benefits tremendously from marcell, kyle, and mario - and i think he knows that. i think each of those dudes takes great pride in knowing that as a unit, they're the best in the league and he wants to remain a part of / keep intact the most feared DL in the NFL as well as a part of a defense and a team that is on the rise. if i were hughes i'd stay if buffalo offers him money comparable to (in the ballpark, maybe >85% of) his other offers. whaley will have the dollars to pay him because stevie/fitz money is being freed up and we don't have to pay a 2015 first-round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If I remember correctly compensatory picks are the following year. That means this year we are looking at Byrd, which we will get none from since we signed Graham and AW. Correct me if I am wrong. That said if we lose Hughes but resign Spiller and either trade or sign a FA QB, we most likely get nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) If I remember correctly compensatory picks are the following year. That means this year we are looking at Byrd, which we will get none from since we signed Graham and AW. Correct me if I am wrong. That said if we lose Hughes but resign Spiller and either trade or sign a FA QB, we most likely get nothing. Re signing our own guys doesn't matter. It's expiring contracts signed from other teams - Chris Williams, rivers, graham, Dixon etc.... Vs our expiring contracts signed elsewhere (Byrd, carrington, etc....) Aaron Williams isn't in the count Edited December 11, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 as soon as you wrote VOMIT...I KNEW IT HAD TO BE BRADY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Jerry Hughes' contract should be Bills' top priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 No mention of dareus? Nice job, rodent. He's already under contract for 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Are you really going to make me apologize to Rodak?! Nope. Never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Let's not find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Re signing our own guys doesn't matter. It's expiring contracts signed from other teams - Chris Williams, rivers, graham, Dixon etc.... Vs our expiring contracts signed elsewhere (Byrd, carrington, etc....) Aaron Williams isn't in the count Thanks for the clarification. Looking at it, we still get nothing I am sure this year. But does a trade count? Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Franchise Hughes. Hand Spiller a bus ticket out of town. Extend Dareus and Glenn before FA starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks for the clarification. Looking at it, we still get nothing I am sure this year. But does a trade count? Brown? Trades and cuts and tags and anything else do not count - only expiring contracts leaving either our team or someone else's to come to ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Understood, and DE contracts are generally more $ then FS; Hughes > Byrd. I don't see many desirable and worthy FA's. The Bills are going to do what they have been doing. Bring in volume free agents and 1st round wash outs and see if they hit on any. They will sign more than they lose and there will be no compensatory pick. We're not getting a pick for Hughes. It's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Bills are going to do what they have been doing. Bring in volume free agents and 1st round wash outs and see if they hit on any. They will sign more than they lose and there will be no compensatory pick. We're not getting a pick for Hughes. It's not gonna happen. It's a super secret formula and all, but if the Bills lose Hughes they almost certainly will be getting a comp pick. He's going to get big dollars and a bunch of low-level contracts are not going to impact that. Barring a big signing the Bills would wind up with a 3rd or 4th round pick. Personally I would franchise the man before I let him leave. If it got nasty with him, then I'd trade him as a last resort (and get more than his comp pick value without having to worry about any offsets). And yes I know that the league frowns on franchising a player only to trade them, but that would not be my intent when I did it. I'd be looking to lock him up long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If I remember correctly compensatory picks are the following year. That means this year we are looking at Byrd, which we will get none from since we signed Graham and AW. Correct me if I am wrong. That said if we lose Hughes but resign Spiller and either trade or sign a FA QB, we most likely get nothing. The rule is Buffalo gets nothing, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's a super secret formula and all, but if the Bills lose Hughes they almost certainly will be getting a comp pick. He's going to get big dollars and a bunch of low-level contracts are not going to impact that. Barring a big signing the Bills would wind up with a 3rd or 4th round pick. Personally I would franchise the man before I let him leave. If it got nasty with him, then I'd trade him as a last resort (and get more than his comp pick value without having to worry about any offsets). And yes I know that the league frowns on franchising a player only to trade them, but that would not be my intent when I did it. I'd be looking to lock him up long-term. a bunch of low level contract will DRAMATICALLY effect it. to even qualify to look at the dollars and get a pick, you need to lose more bodies than you sign. a special teamer could cancel out hughes. The rule is Buffalo gets nothing, ever. as weve never prioritized it like some teams do in roster composition. The ravens, for instance, often talk about targeting signings that were cut from their previous teams as they do not count as a body in. Id also guess similarly in august, all things equal they may keep an expiring contract around to become a qualified loss (again, if two guys are pretty well the same quality otherwise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's a super secret formula and all, but if the Bills lose Hughes they almost certainly will be getting a comp pick. He's going to get big dollars and a bunch of low-level contracts are not going to impact that. Barring a big signing the Bills would wind up with a 3rd or 4th round pick. Personally I would franchise the man before I let him leave. If it got nasty with him, then I'd trade him as a last resort (and get more than his comp pick value without having to worry about any offsets). And yes I know that the league frowns on franchising a player only to trade them, but that would not be my intent when I did it. I'd be looking to lock him up long-term. It is not a super secret formula. If team B loses 3 all pros to 100 million contracts each, then signs 4 scrubs for league minimum they receive ZERO compensatory picks. The Bills are going to sign a bunch of scrubs and will not get a compensatory pick for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If Whaley lets Hughes walk, he should be fired immediately. I'm sick of watching good players leave then the Bills play whack a mole to fill their holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If Whaley lets Hughes walk, he should be fired immediately. I'm sick of watching good players leave then the Bills play whack a mole to fill their holes. If he doesn't sign an extension before the UFA period begins, franchise and negotiate is the way to go IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If he doesn't sign an extension before the UFA period begins, franchise and negotiate is the way to go IMO. yep. Keep your good players. Hell, keep your decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If Whaley lets Hughes walk, he should be fired immediately. I'm sick of watching good players leave then the Bills play whack a mole to fill their holes. to be fair, thats how a lot of us felt about byrd and levitre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 a bunch of low level contract will DRAMATICALLY effect it. to even qualify to look at the dollars and get a pick, you need to lose more bodies than you sign. a special teamer could cancel out hughes. as weve never prioritized it like some teams do in roster composition. The ravens, for instance, often talk about targeting signings that were cut from their previous teams as they do not count as a body in. Id also guess similarly in august, all things equal they may keep an expiring contract around to become a qualified loss (again, if two guys are pretty well the same quality otherwise) It is not a super secret formula. If team B loses 3 all pros to 100 million contracts each, then signs 4 scrubs for league minimum they receive ZERO compensatory picks. The Bills are going to sign a bunch of scrubs and will not get a compensatory pick for Hughes. Incorrect. Players making league minimum do not factor into the equation. I tried to post a link to an article, but no Bleacher Report articles are allowed to be linked here. Also I doubt that the Bills are in real danger of signing more non-minimum FA players than they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Jerry Hughes' contract should be Bills' top priority "The Bills are slated to have among the most cap space of any team in the league for the 2015 season." I like the sound of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 how much cap space do we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 to be fair, thats how a lot of us felt about byrd and levitre. @Grantland33 .@billbarnwell breaks down how the Saints ended up in salary-cap hell http://gran.tl/12BFOd8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yeah, any pick would be in 2016, and will depend on what we do in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 @Grantland33 .@billbarnwell breaks down how the Saints ended up in salary-cap hell http://gran.tl/12BFOd8 Wow. Maybe we can steal a player from them this offseason. $26M cap hit for Brees? Wow.... CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 What would Jerry Hughes bring in a compensatory pick? If we lost Hughes and Hughes alone, how much is that likely to give us in compensation? I do understand that it is relative to the talent we bring in but by all expectations losing him + the likely Hairston/Pears (or both) plus Lee Smith... I think we might have a large sum of losses. 3 players not worth anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 3 players not worth anything The contracts they sign will show otherwise. Each should draw +$1mm/season and multiple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Incorrect. Players making league minimum do not factor into the equation. I tried to post a link to an article, but no Bleacher Report articles are allowed to be linked here. Also I doubt that the Bills are in real danger of signing more non-minimum FA players than they lose. Find a better source then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Find a better source then. I told you where it was. Try Google. I bet you can even do it yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteus Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 We have the best defensive line in football and rush the passer better than anybody else. When you do something better than everyone else in the league, you have to keep that together. If we don't resign Hughes, we must at least tag him and trade him for a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I dont think we get compensated for him since we didnt draft him. We should get a comp pick for Byrd. We should have gotten one for Levitre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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