DC Tom Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yup, keep fiddling no matter how badly Rome is burning Did Rome burn, or was there merely a consensus that it was burning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/science/more-oil-companies-could-join-exxon-mobil-as-focus-of-climate-investigations.html?_r=0 Exxon getting investigated! Tom, will you be called to testify that there is still doubt out there somewhere that the earth is warming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The Religion of Environmentalism by Bruce Thornton FTA: Concern for the environment is a luxury for those who no longer have to worry about sheer survival, and who have the political freedom to put their desires for a cleaner, more pleasing environment into government policy, as we Americans did by passing the Clean Air Act in 1963 and the Clean Water Act in 1972. A peasant struggling to feed his family doesn’t have the luxury of worrying about whether his farming techniques damage the environment or not. He just wants to survive one more day. As Danish environmentalist Bjørn Lomborg points out, the World Health Organization estimates 250,000 people will die from climate change by 2050; this year, 4.3 million will die from indoor air pollution, mostly due to poor people using dung and wood for cooking. Economic development that makes electricity affordable for these people could save millions of lives. Policies that impact human well-being should be based on reliable science, not consolatory myths. Even if global warming is true, the attempts to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by attacking carbon-based energy will not in the long run do much for slowing global emissions, even as they damage the world’s economies and retard the economic development that can improve the material well-being of billions of people. Those people should not suffer because comfortable, well-fed Westerners indulge their mythic longings for a lost paradise that never existed. http://www.hoover.org/research/religion-environmentalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Great news: the EPA’s new smog rules will only cost 40 times as much as they said..........................UNEXPECTEDLY Hillary calls for climate speech probe: "There's a lot of evidence that they misled people." http://insideclimatenews.org/news/29102015/hillary-clinton-joins-call-justice-department-investigate-exxon-RICO … Well................She knows misleading.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Great news: the EPA’s new smog rules will only cost 40 times as much as they said..........................UNEXPECTEDLY Hillary calls for climate speech probe: "There's a lot of evidence that they misled people." http://insideclimatenews.org/news/29102015/hillary-clinton-joins-call-justice-department-investigate-exxon-RICO … Well................She knows misleading.... I don't get this boards view of GW....some/most of you seem to be libertarian in nature - that is do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others - and as well don't seem to want to leave kids federal debt. So we pump the world full of CO2 - which is starting to effect others (differing Ocean temps/fishing - acidification of ocean killing hardshell habitat) - and as well the global temps keep increasing which are no doubt going going to be VERY costly to future generations.....and your take is.....eh not happening....that - fellas -is not very conservative - in fact that is by definition liberal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't get this boards view of GW....some/most of you seem to be libertarian in nature - that is do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others - and as well don't seem to want to leave kids federal debt. So we pump the world full of CO2 - which is starting to effect others (differing Ocean temps/fishing - acidification of ocean killing hardshell habitat) - and as well the global temps keep increasing which are no doubt going going to be VERY costly to future generations.....and your take is.....eh not happening....that - fellas -is not very conservative - in fact that is by definition liberal I have long advocating killing all mammals so that humans may live. They not only warm the globe by farting, but also by breathing. No more mammals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't get this boards view of GW....some/most of you seem to be libertarian in nature - that is do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others - and as well don't seem to want to leave kids federal debt. So we pump the world full of CO2 - which is starting to effect others (differing Ocean temps/fishing - acidification of ocean killing hardshell habitat) - and as well the global temps keep increasing which are no doubt going going to be VERY costly to future generations.....and your take is.....eh not happening....that - fellas -is not very conservative - in fact that is by definition liberal If you think the earth is 6000 years old and that Jesus is coming back any minute why would you care about climate change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If you think the earth is 6000 years old and that Jesus is coming back any minute why would you care about climate change? I don't recall baskin ever saying he believed any of that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't get this boards view of GW....some/most of you seem to be libertarian in nature - that is do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others - and as well don't seem to want to leave kids federal debt. So we pump the world full of CO2 - which is starting to effect others (differing Ocean temps/fishing - acidification of ocean killing hardshell habitat) - and as well the global temps keep increasing which are no doubt going going to be VERY costly to future generations.....and your take is.....eh not happening....that - fellas -is not very conservative - in fact that is by definition liberal Most of us will stipulate for argument's sake that the atmosphere is warming and CO2 plays a part in that. So, that said - what solutions do you propose? Banning the automobile? Snowmobiles? Lawn mowers? Leaf blowers? Lawn trimmers? Motorcycles? Go Karts? Airplanes? Trucks? Ships? Refrigerators? Air conditioners? Furnaces? Manufacturing? Breathing? What should we do to turn things around? Buy carbon credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't get this boards view of GW....some/most of you seem to be libertarian in nature ....and your take is.....eh not happening....that - fellas -is not very conservative - in fact that is by definition liberal I am glad to see that denial of science is by definition LIBERAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Most of us will stipulate for argument's sake that the atmosphere is warming and CO2 plays a part in that. So, that said - what solutions do you propose? Banning the automobile? Snowmobiles? Lawn mowers? Leaf blowers? Lawn trimmers? Motorcycles? Go Karts? Airplanes? Trucks? Ships? Refrigerators? Air conditioners? Furnaces? Manufacturing? Breathing? What should we do to turn things around? Buy carbon credits? We should bomb China and India for their wanton disregard for the Earth by pumping so many pollutants into our air and water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Most of us will stipulate for argument's sake that the atmosphere is warming and CO2 plays a part in that. So, that said - what solutions do you propose? Banning the automobile? Snowmobiles? Lawn mowers? Leaf blowers? Lawn trimmers? Motorcycles? Go Karts? Airplanes? Trucks? Ships? Refrigerators? Air conditioners? Furnaces? Manufacturing? Breathing? What should we do to turn things around? Buy carbon credits? Automobiles?- electric or more likely a strong hybrid with a 100 mile battery electric range and a SOFC as a range extender using a bio-fuel Snowmobiles? Lawn mowers? leaf blowers? Lawn Trimmers.? Motorcycles? Go Karts? - electric Airplanes?- bio-fuel Trucks ?- bio-diesel/ hydraulic hybrid and mandatory electrical hookups at truck stops Ships?- bio-diesel and maybe nuclear if a myriad of problems could be worked out Air conditioners ? furnaces? - geothermal exchange systems both heat and cool and uses one third to one fifth as much energy as conventional heating and cooling - plus they can supply hot water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Automobiles?- electric or more likely a strong hybrid with a 100 mile battery electric range and a SOFC as a range extender using a bio-fuel Snowmobiles? Lawn mowers? leaf blowers? Lawn Trimmers.? Motorcycles? Go Karts? - electric Airplanes?- bio-fuel Trucks ?- bio-diesel/ hydraulic hybrid and mandatory electrical hookups at truck stops Ships?- bio-diesel and maybe nuclear if a myriad of problems could be worked out Air conditioners ? furnaces? - geothermal exchange systems both heat and cool and uses one third to one fifth as much energy as conventional heating and cooling - plus they can supply hot water Where does all the electricity come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Where does all the electricity come from? roof top solar pv, concentrated thermal solar, wind, hydro power, geothermal conventional and low temp, wave and nuclear plus efficiency gains such as LEDs for lighting, low power chips and screens, high efficiency appliances, smart thermostats, improved insulation etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Where does all the electricity come from? Hell, where's all the bio-fuel going to come from? How much arable land is that going to require? What's the cost of that land-use tradeoff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hell, where's all the bio-fuel going to come from? How much arable land is that going to require? What's the cost of that land-use tradeoff? well in a car with a 100 mile battery electric range the SOFC using bio-fuel would probably account for less than 5% of miles driven bio-fuel can be created out of sewage and farm wastes and of course technology is always moving forward http://www.energy.ca.gov/2013publications/CEC-500-2013-143/CEC-500-2013-143.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 well in a car with a 100 mile battery electric range the SOFC using bio-fuel would probably account for less than 5% of miles driven bio-fuel can be created out of sewage and farm wastes and of course technology is always moving forward http://www.energy.ca.gov/2013publications/CEC-500-2013-143/CEC-500-2013-143.pdf Farm waste = cow farts = global warming. We must kill all mammals so that humans may live. It is sad but must be done. Every last mammal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Farm waste = cow farts = global warming. We must kill all mammals so that humans may live. It is sad but must be done. Every last mammal. untrue we can change the genetic makeup of their microbiome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) well in a car with a 100 mile battery electric range the SOFC using bio-fuel would probably account for less than 5% of miles driven bio-fuel can be created out of sewage and farm wastes and of course technology is always moving forward http://www.energy.ca.gov/2013publications/CEC-500-2013-143/CEC-500-2013-143.pdf Your posts are an awesome example of the uselessness of information without the benefit of knowledge. Edited November 10, 2015 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Your posts are an awesome example of the uselessness of information without the benefit of knowledge. Tom you are very cranky and set in your ways, always negative and never with solutions of your own - when you leave to a non-extradition country I hope the new surroundings alleviates whatever dark forces weigh on your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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