Jauronimo Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6. Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either. The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM. Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job. Edited November 11, 2014 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM. Was it Marrone's personnel decision to bench Mike Williams in favor of Brad Lamb and a kickoff specialist? Sure would have been nice to be able to throw to Williams in the end zone during 4Q Sunday huh? Look, he is just not the right coach for this team because this team is in the NFL. If this were Pop Warner you can play everybody and reward Lamb for his hard work by running a few plays for him. In the NFL you simply can't leave round 1 talent on the bench, lose the game in part because you lacked the very skill he has, and then be held blameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6. Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either. Ahhh, he did inherit an 0-16 and a couple years later get them to 10-6, but you failed to include the year after the 10-6 year when they went 4-12 or the year after when they went 7-9. He had one winning season out of five: 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. The Lions are 7-2 without him this year. Pettine got a look from the Browns and that's it. That only came when it was clear nobody wanted the job. Edited November 11, 2014 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Ahhh, he did inherit an 0-16 and a couple years later get them to 10-6, but you failed to include the year after the 10-6 year when they went 4-12 or the year after when they went 7-9. He had one winning season out of five: 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. The Lions are 7-2 without him this year. Schwartz has been great for us, but L'm not sure the folks in Detroit feel that way. His teams were undisciplined and blew games because if it. Not to mention the famous Harbaugh handshake incident, not exactly what you look for in your leadership team. He's done a great job with our defense and if he gets another opportunity at the end of the season so be it. If he did I'd love to get Mike Singletary in here. I think he could do great things for us with the talent that we have on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Schwartz has been great for us, but L'm not sure the folks in Detroit feel that way. His teams were undisciplined and blew games because if it. Not to mention the famous Harbaugh handshake incident, not exactly what you look for in your leadership team. He's done a great job with our defense and if he gets another opportunity at the end of the season so be it. If he did I'd love to get Mike Singletary in here. I think he could do great things for us with the talent that we have on defense. That's just it between the 29-51 record, the handshake incident and his team being undisciplined I don't see him getting another chance for a few years. For the record I'm not trying to put him down he's just a much better DC than Head Coach, and I'm glad he's our DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM. Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job. That did not happen here but high profile HCs, when hired, do indeed request a certain GM be brought in with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz. 1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago. 2. Never playing Mike Williams. 3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC. 4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR. 5. Playing EJ in the first game last year. 6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle. 7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz. 1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago. 2. Never playing Mike Williams. 3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC. 4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR. 5. Playing EJ in the first game last year. 6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle. 7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE. Do you not know how many games Schwartz loss in Detroit in similar fashion to what happened yesterday? Unfortunately; Schwartz is an horrible in game manager too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz. Marrones win percentage .440 overall and .556 this year. Schwartz's win percentage overall .363, year by year .125, .375, .625, .250, .438 and he actually had a QB and the best WR in the NFL. News flash the Lions are 7-2 the following year Jim left, even with Calvin missing 3+ games.Why would you want to go backwards. . 1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago. I'm with ya on this one. 2. Never playing Mike Williams. You or I have no idea on what happened with Mike, but if I'm going to side with one or the other it's going to be with Marrone. If you told people Mike would be benched during the year, not too many would be surprised. 3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC. Without them what do you really have left on offense? 4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR. Has been hurt a lot for sure, but when he's been in what has he done to hurt the team? 5. Playing EJ in the first game last year. Who else was going to start? Kolb was hurt, Tuel stinks, or would you have gone with Thad? 6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle. More the GM than HC fault, no? Once Kolb was hurt who were they going to get? 7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE. Kyle numbers this year 124 of 189 65.6 comp.% 1387yds 277.4 yds/gm 7.3 yds/att 10 tds 3 ints rating 98.4. While he was off on some passes on Sunday overall he has done quite well for a team with no offensive line and no running attack. Edited November 11, 2014 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz. 1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago. 2. Never playing Mike Williams. 3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC. 4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR. 5. Playing EJ in the first game last year. 6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle. 7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE. That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know. The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM. Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job. I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player? Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know. I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player? Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense. What does PFF have to say about organizational structure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know. I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player? Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense. In this case Marrone believes bigger is better so, Pears is better with that line of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 In his press conference he's all but saying that he sacrifices the offense for special teams!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 In this case Marrone believes bigger is better so, Pears is better with that line of thinking. and what does that tell you about his mentality? an O line guru that fields the worst line in the NFL. What does PFF have to say about organizational structure? I consider the source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 To all you Schwartz haters do you think any team out there would be beating down Marrones door for a head coaching job if we fire him? Not a single one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 To all you Schwartz haters do you think any team out there would be beating down Marrones door for a head coaching job if we fire him? Not a single one. UMBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) To all you Schwartz haters do you think any team out there would be beating down Marrones door for a head coaching job if we fire him? Not a single one. To be fair, and I am the Chairman of the Jim Schwartz fan club, I am not sure I'd want him to be the next Head Coach. Don't get me wrong, we could definitely do worse... and arguably are doing at the moment... but we could do better too. At this precise moment my priority is keeping Schwartz as DC (I believe he is a top 5 in the league DC) therefore my preference is to give Marrone another year regardless of what happens from here on in but ONLY on the basis that Hackett is gone and replaced by a proper OC. Edited November 12, 2014 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In this game: - Penalties were down - Team was not distracted by events of past week - Has less practice time - Came out and whipped the rear of a division foe Can the pitchforks be kept away for a bit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In this game: - Penalties were down - Team was not distracted by events of past week - Has less practice time - Came out and whipped the rear of a division foe Can the pitchforks be kept away for a bit ? All of this was, of course, in spite of Marrone who conspired with Mother Nature to ensure Buffalo received a natural disaster so he would have an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 All of this was, of course, in spite of Marrone who conspired with Mother Nature to ensure Buffalo received a natural disaster so he would have an excuse. And sympathy. Don't forget sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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