3rdand12 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 subtle! So J has not let it go i take it ? Was there anyone drafted after him that we could have taken that year and done better? I mean, there HAS to be at least ONE guy, right?? Bortles . oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ah, the Buddy Nix era. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Last year's WR1 struggles to secure WR3 spot on another team Last year's WR2 finds himself without a team 4 weeks into the season Says something about our WR talent last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Shocker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Tj Graham couldnt catch a cold, standing naked, in lake Erie, in January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Last year's WR1 struggles to secure WR3 spot on another team Last year's WR2 finds himself without a team 4 weeks into the season Says something about our WR talent last year... TJ was clearly a bust. But Stevie ... I think we just got the best he had to offer and his best days are behind him. You don't get back to back 1K yard seasons, with Fitzpatrick throwing the ball, if you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Never seen the speed. Overrated speed. Those kick-offs were funny. Yeah I forgot the speed came on, heading for the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Never seen the speed. Overrated speed. Those kick-offs were funny. Yeah I forgot the speed came on, heading for the sidelines. The kid has speed. cant take that away from him BiPa. and he played hard . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yeah he`s faster than me. Ha. 4.43 isn`t blazing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Last year's WR1 struggles to secure WR3 spot on another team Last year's WR2 finds himself without a team 4 weeks into the season Says something about our WR talent last year... As well as our 28th ranked passing offense. SJ13 just had a 100 yard game btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He doesn't need to make many plays. He needs to be covered down the field with help over the top. His skill set adds value. He helps open up the underneath stuff and aids in the running game. Nobody is signing TJ Graham to catch 100 balls. He will end up on a roster that lacks a speed guy to fill that void. I have argued on this board (with little success) that he would help this team more than CH (especially with today's rules). If he made 6 plays this year down the field (4 catches and 2 PI penalties) he would be infinitely better IMO. If he could add 40+ yards once every 2.5 games that is a bigger contribution. Damn, he sounds really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Damn, he sounds really good. He has a role. The argument that some have made (me included) is to take a guy that can do one thing well over the guy that is below average at everything. For example, Marcus Easley can't do anything but play special teams. In that role he can help the team. I would much rather that at the bottom of the roster than a guy that is just a guy. Edited September 24, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He doesn't need to make many plays. He needs to be covered down the field with help over the top. His skill set adds value. He helps open up the underneath stuff and aids in the running game. Nobody is signing TJ Graham to catch 100 balls. He will end up on a roster that lacks a speed guy to fill that void. I have argued on this board (with little success) that he would help this team more than CH (especially with today's rules). If he made 6 plays this year down the field (4 catches and 2 PI penalties) he would be infinitely better IMO. If he could add 40+ yards once every 2.5 games that is a bigger contribution. I know you know I'm right there with you. TJ Graham would do more for this offense in 2014 than Goodwin will, simply because of Goodwin's seemingly inability to stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I know you know I'm right there with you. TJ Graham would do more for this offense in 2014 than Goodwin will, simply because of Goodwin's seemingly inability to stay healthy. I don't disagree. Goodwin adds that dimension but he is small. People hate TJ because they wanted Russell Wilson (we all did). It is not Graham's fault that the Bills took him. He is not good but he has an NFL skill that can help a team. So does Marcus Easley and Jordan Gay and Jerry Hughes for that matter. You need to assemble a roster of complimentary pieces and maybe Graham was a duplicate with Goodwin here. I still contest that he would have helped the team more than some people that made the roster for the reasons mentioned above. You don't need to keep a roster spot for a guy that will play if 3 guys get hurt. That spot should be for someone like Gay or Easley (or Graham) that can do something to help the team on a weekly basis. Edited September 24, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The Titans may be the worse team in the NFL and he couldn't even make an active roster. He is not an NFL caliber player. Oh yea he's fast why don't we sign Usain Bolt, he's faster and bigger. Stop defending this Jabroni, move on like the Bills did. There's very few players that the Bills cut that ever become anything, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I wanted us to sign Jerry Rice and Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins and Andrew Luck and Luke Keuchly and Walter Jones. I think you left off Steve Young and Steve Rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) The Titans may be the worse team in the NFL and he couldn't even make an active roster. He is not an NFL caliber player. Oh yea he's fast why don't we sign Usain Bolt, he's faster and bigger. Stop defending this Jabroni, move on like the Bills did. There's very few players that the Bills cut that ever become anything, I am guessing that this is directed at me. So you disagree with what I said? What have the other guys done to positively impact the team so far? If you go back through this week's All-22 review you will see Goodwin having the same impact. All that I ever said is that he could have impacted games with his speed for the reasons mentioned above. I really am trying hard not to turn this into another "Kirby hates Hogan." Every time someone chimes in on the topic though I can't help but think "who would help the team more? Are people happy with what they have gotten from that position so far?" It just goes back to my general philosophy of keeping a skill that differentiates a player over keeping a guy that doesn't do something well. TJ could never be an every down player as they tried to turn him into but he could play 10 plays a game where he just runs over the top. At least he would help the team by opening things up underneath. As I said earlier in the thread if he made 4 deep catches and drew 2 PI penalties he would be impactful. If anyone wants to disagree I will listen but please don't just say "he stinks" or "he can't catch." Please formulate an opinion as to why they are better off at the bottom of the depth chart without him. If he can help the team more than 1 guy at that position it was a mistake. (This is déjà vu). As an aside I thought that they should have tried to convert TJ to S like they did with George Wilson a while back. Edited September 24, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The Bills took a chance on TJ. They realized he stunk/couldn't catch, so they drafted a similar player with better hands (Goodwin) the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Was there anyone drafted after him that we could have taken that year and done better? I mean, there HAS to be at least ONE guy, right?? there's one guy that comes to mind but we didn't need a QB...we had superstar RYAN FITZPATRICK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Rotten pick. And we traded up to get him. For the record, I was hammering home a point to draft Russell Wilson as high as second round. I am a Wisconsin fan, and I could see what was going on with that dude. I was pissed when Seattle took him. I could see it when I was going to games at NC State. He's a gamer. No other way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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