mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Last year I thought Boyd was destined to be a top 5 pick. It looks like he was a huge beneficiary of having Watkins and Hopkins. I've heard the reason for all the screens was bc Sammy is awesome but also bc Boyd was so badly inconsistent. could be. And fwiw, I wasn't knocking on all his screens. I was simply stating that the video in the OP wasn't so spectacular. That there's really nothing that special about a couple screens. But I will give credit where it is due. The TDs are great. And even the screens aren't bad at all. He shows great ability to fight for yards. Just hoped I'd seen more in what many say is his best game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I look at Mack's OSU game a little differently, because OSU had a NC-caliber offense, IMO. He didn't have to face Hyde because he was suspended for that game, but he dominated what ended up being a very good OL and outran two sub-4.4 guys on a pick six that was a thing of beauty. Lol touche. Point taken. I loved watching Mack all 4 years. And my thing is people who dont know Mack reference that game. I guess it was the national stage. Me and Promo probably could go for days about UB football and I would really challenge him to give me a better UB Bull than Kahlil. Craig Guest was the only one I could think of to touch Macks legacy. This man? #gaileywasgenius. Fitzpatrick.2 #notoboyd Pettine + Gailey as coordinators= mind blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Lol touche. Point taken. I loved watching Mack all 4 years. And my thing is people who dont know Mack reference that game. I guess it was the national stage. Me and Promo probably could go for days about UB football and I would really challenge him to give me a better UB Bull than Kahlil. Craig Guest was the only one I could think of to touch Macks legacy. Pettine + Gailey as coordinators= mind blown. keep it old school. Gailey OC (62 years old). LeBeau DC (76 yrs old). Tom Coughlin (68 yrs old). Pete Carroll (62 years old) is the second oldest coach in the NFL. #beerballis87 Edited May 20, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Yeah. Some nice routes, a couple deep balls for TD's, a lot of screens that went for first downs thanks to good moves and powerful running. Terrible video. could be. And fwiw, I wasn't knocking on all his screens. I was simply stating that the video in the OP wasn't so spectacular. That there's really nothing that special about a couple screens. This is a single game going play by play... Find a better video of any player against a top 20 team with a 6th round qb. Edited May 20, 2014 by buffalover4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 When I watched that game my thoughts were that Sammy just played himself from a 1at round pick to a top 10 pick. Who knew it would be the #9 pick, a 2015 1st, and a 2015 4th. Without that game Watkins may have been available at #9. Not that I hate the trade just that that game was so impressive in all aspects of being a WR it couldn't help but send his draft stock into the atmosphere. I hope he can translate to every Sunday in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 This is a single game going play by play... Find a better video of any player against a top 20 team with a 6th round qb. done Dude has it. Speed, rhythym, clearly a player who can fly. http://tinyurl.com/ke592vh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 done Dude has it. Speed, rhythym, clearly a player who can fly. http://tinyurl.com/ke592vh I've seen a lot of this guy but I must admit had not seen that kind of performance out of him before. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 keep it old school. Gailey OC (62 years old). LeBeau DC (76 yrs old). Tom Coughlin (68 yrs old). Pete Carroll (62 years old) is the second oldest coach in the NFL. #beerballis87 Coughlin is what Marrone wants to be one day. I still dont believe Pete is really 62. Gailey to me was exactly the OC the team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 OK. I'm sold. Something special here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) done Dude has it. Speed, rhythym, clearly a player who can fly. http://tinyurl.com/ke592vh well done I've seen a lot of this guy but I must admit had not seen that kind of performance out of him before. Wow. it was your addition that sold me. Edited May 20, 2014 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 When I watched that game my thoughts were that Sammy just played himself from a 1at round pick to a top 10 pick. Who knew it would be the #9 pick, a 2015 1st, and a 2015 4th. Without that game Watkins may have been available at #9. Not that I hate the trade just that that game was so impressive in all aspects of being a WR it couldn't help but send his draft stock into the atmosphere. I hope he can translate to every Sunday in the NFL. Uhh... No. Sammy was a top 10 pick before this game. This game only solidified what was already thought about him. His workouts pushed him from top 10 lock to top 5 lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I've seen a lot of this guy but I must admit had not seen that kind of performance out of him before. Wow. well done it was your addition that sold me. bastards!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I know people continue to compare him to Julio Jones and AJ Green, but he reminds me of Percy Harvin without the injuries, migraines, etc. he's so dynamic and will be excellent on our team. I can't wait for the season to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 he's a WR right??? Not a RB right??? When I watch a highlight video of a WR I want to see the ball thrown beyond the LOS and the WR going up and getting the ball. Making plays. Most of the plays in this video could be made with NFL quality blocking. Then... here: http://youtu.be/7Kjkh3yV8YA Take yer gripes to the Complaints Department if this doesn't suit your fancy. He takes "catching the ball" more seriously than any Bills wideout I've seen since James Lofton. He moves the chains, and scores TDs and he's a beast to bring down. Hard to like a guy like that... if you're a D Coordinator, or a Bills detractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) done Dude has it. Speed, rhythym, clearly a player who can fly. http://tinyurl.com/ke592vh Wow. Didn't know the guy was this talented. Edited May 20, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 OK, I finally watched a Watkins highlight reel. This did nothing to dispel what I've read about him. He caught 2 balls on what were basically "go" routes. All other catches were at/behind the LOS. He carried the ball a bunch of times. Personally I don't want my #1 WR exposed to the pounding that NFL DE's and LB's will give him if he's handed the ball. Maybe you give him the ball 3-4 times in a season just to keep the opposing defense on its toes, but, I would not mind one little bit if he never carried the ball (on a hand off) for Buffalo. He does snatch the ball out of the air beautifully, but, he will not "make a living" in the NFL on receptions at/behind the LOS. He looks like he's a willing & decent blocker based on that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Uhh... No. Sammy was a top 10 pick before this game. This game only solidified what was already thought about him. His workouts pushed him from top 10 lock to top 5 lock. Really? You want to argue weather Sammy Watkins was a con census 1st rounder or Consensus top 10 pick in mock drafts in December 2013? The point is the game boosted his draft stock. People's opinion may vary from where to where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 For those of you that worry about his catches being on screens and short slants -relax. Clemson tried to get the ball to him as much as they could so that he could make plays. They could have thrown him a bunch of 20 yard outs but he would have had less touches that way. They threw screens, slants and ran jet sweeps so that he could work in space. He can do everything on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 For those of you that worry about his catches being on screens and short slants -relax. Clemson tried to get the ball to him as much as they could so that he could make plays. They could have thrown him a bunch of 20 yard outs but he would have had less touches that way. They threw screens, slants and ran jet sweeps so that he could work in space. He can do everything on the field. If he wasn't asked to do it how do you know? Even Nanker's highlight reel had only 1 play v. Georgia that was not a screen or go route. Where are the highlights of him where he's actually asked to run routes? After watching both of those it is obvious that he has terrific hands. Whether he can run routes??? So, two highlight reels...one catch that was not a screen or go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 If he wasn't asked to do it how do you know? Even Nanker's highlight reel had only 1 play v. Georgia that was not a screen or go route. Where are the highlights of him where he's actually asked to run routes? After watching both of those it is obvious that he has terrific hands. Whether he can run routes??? So, two highlight reels...one catch that was not a screen or go... He did a lot of it earlier in his career at Clemson. I believe that he was 1 of 4 freshmen to ever be 1st team All-American. Nobody comes out of college as perfect route runners but by all accounts he is as advanced as just about any rookie. In addition, his work ethic will allow that to improve. I honestly feel that the Bills are going to use him in a similar manner to how he was used at Clemson. When your QB has accuracy issues why would you want him throwing those 20 yard outs? They are going to try to maximize his touches and let him make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) I think what you guys are looking for is the LSU game highlights from 2012. Watkins and Deandre Hopkins both caught "routes" vs lsu secondary full of nfl talent iirc. Edited May 20, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I honestly feel that the Bills are going to use him in a similar manner to how he was used at Clemson. When your QB has accuracy issues why would you want him throwing those 20 yard outs? They are going to try to maximize his touches and let him make plays. If they do then they are idiots and Watkins will have a short career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 If they do then they are idiots and Watkins will have a short career. That's how Welker is used (and now Edleman). He is much better after the catch than those guys. He is going to catch slants and turn it up. He will catch bubble screens as well. Mel Kiper said that he is the best player after the catch that he has ever graded!! I think that he has been doing it for 36 years. This guy is not one of the good players that we have drafted (think Gilmore). Watkins is a generational talent. He is as talented a college WR as I have seen (right there with Fitzgerald & Moss). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) If he wasn't asked to do it how do you know? Even Nanker's highlight reel had only 1 play v. Georgia that was not a screen or go route. Where are the highlights of him where he's actually asked to run routes? After watching both of those it is obvious that he has terrific hands. Whether he can run routes??? So, two highlight reels...one catch that was not a screen or go... Sammy touched on this a little but forget where. I think it was during his first press conference as a Bill. He basically said his freshman year he ran more traditional routes. After putting up huge numbers as a true freshman, defenses all started playing off man and giving him big cushions so CBs weren't getting burned off the line. His coach basically took advantage of that and used the screen game to pick up easy yards and get him the ball in space. It was almost like stealing really. He's obviously not going to get the same kind of cushions in the NFL but by all accounts Sammy is a guy that can run a full route tree and be fluid at it. Edited May 20, 2014 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Then... here: http://youtu.be/7Kjkh3yV8YA Take yer gripes to the Complaints Department if this doesn't suit your fancy. He takes "catching the ball" more seriously than any Bills wideout I've seen since James Lofton. He moves the chains, and scores TDs and he's a beast to bring down. Hard to like a guy like that... if you're a D Coordinator, or a Bills detractor. easy guy. I've already said that I like the kid. Just that the OPs video didn't do him justice. Not sure why everyone is all goo-goo, ga-ga over it. It didn't show me much for being a highlight video of a WR OK, I finally watched a Watkins highlight reel. This did nothing to dispel what I've read about him. He caught 2 balls on what were basically "go" routes. All other catches were at/behind the LOS. He carried the ball a bunch of times. Personally I don't want my #1 WR exposed to the pounding that NFL DE's and LB's will give him if he's handed the ball. Maybe you give him the ball 3-4 times in a season just to keep the opposing defense on its toes, but, I would not mind one little bit if he never carried the ball (on a hand off) for Buffalo. He does snatch the ball out of the air beautifully, but, he will not "make a living" in the NFL on receptions at/behind the LOS. He looks like he's a willing & decent blocker based on that game. you obviously get it. For those of you that worry about his catches being on screens and short slants -relax. Clemson tried to get the ball to him as much as they could so that he could make plays. They could have thrown him a bunch of 20 yard outs but he would have had less touches that way. They threw screens, slants and ran jet sweeps so that he could work in space. He can do everything on the field. you know I'm on board with him now, so I understand this. Just that video is all. If he wasn't asked to do it how do you know? Even Nanker's highlight reel had only 1 play v. Georgia that was not a screen or go route. Where are the highlights of him where he's actually asked to run routes? After watching both of those it is obvious that he has terrific hands. Whether he can run routes??? So, two highlight reels...one catch that was not a screen or go... havent seen this video yet. But now I'm scared. I honestly feel that the Bills are going to use him in a similar manner to how he was used at Clemson. When your QB has accuracy issues why would you want him throwing those 20 yard outs? They are going to try to maximize his touches and let him make plays. i don't care how terrible our QB may be. I don't want our STAR WR running screens all day. Seems like a big waste. That's how Welker is used (and now Edleman). He is much better after the catch than those guys. He is going to catch slants and turn it up. He will catch bubble screens as well. Mel Kiper said that he is the best player after the catch that he has ever graded!! I think that he has been doing it for 36 years. This guy is not one of the good players that we have drafted (think Gilmore). Watkins is a generational talent. He is as talented a college WR as I have seen (right there with Fitzgerald & Moss). you seriously had me before when you told me to "think Larry Fitzgerald" but when you say Edleman or Welker, I get scared. We just had a guy (Stevie Johnson) that could do all that. We need better than a slot guy. I don't care how many balls Welker catches. We don't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 That's how Welker is used (and now Edleman). He is much better after the catch than those guys. He is going to catch slants and turn it up. He will catch bubble screens as well. Mel Kiper said that he is the best player after the catch that he has ever graded!! I think that he has been doing it for 36 years. This guy is not one of the good players that we have drafted (think Gilmore). Watkins is a generational talent. He is as talented a college WR as I have seen (right there with Fitzgerald & Moss). I'm still don't get why fans would be upset that he caught balls at the line of scrimmage and turned them into 10-15 yards. That's moving the ball. That's first downs. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have made their careers on dink and dunk. I get that everyone love's the big plays but they just don't happen all that often and teams need to take what they are given by the defense. 10 yard cushion from the CB? Ok I'll throw it to my playmaker and trust that he can probably beat that 1 guy maybe he'll beat the safety too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) I'm still don't get why fans would be upset that he caught balls at the line of scrimmage and turned them into 10-15 yards. That's moving the ball. That's first downs. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have made their careers on dink and dunk. I get that everyone love's the big plays but they just don't happen all that often and teams need to take what they are given by the defense. 10 yard cushion from the CB? Ok I'll throw it to my playmaker and trust that he can probably beat that 1 guy maybe he'll beat the safety too. i don't think I've seen Payton Manning throw as many screens behind the LOS in his entire career as there are in that video. Dink and dunk is different than behind the LOS. Edited May 20, 2014 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) i don't think I've seen Payton Manning throw as many screens behind the LOS in his entire career as there are in that video. Dink and dunk is different than behind the LOS. May I suggest reading this? First game of last season, 78 yard TD by Thomas, off of a WR screen. http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/11/6/5073860/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-offense-routes Edit: Also this article talks specifically about how much he used to run the screen in Indy and would be doing the same in Denver. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000058566/printable/peyton-manning-will-run-familiar-schemes-with-denver-broncos Edited May 20, 2014 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland Rocks? Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Sammy ran screens all day against Ohio State because he could. If you watched this game in its entirety, you know that the game was close...back and forth and a bit of an offensive shootout. The game came down to the final play. Ohio State could not defend the screens, so they continued to run them. Clemson took this bowl game very seriously, and they did whatever they could to win, considering they had issues of their own with Ohio State's offense. I doubt that Chad Morris was overly concerned with what anyone thought about Watkins ability to run NFL routes when he devised the game plan. JMO. I would give pretty much anything for the Browns to have drafted Sammy. He is going to be a beast. Edited May 20, 2014 by Cleveland Rocks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Ole googily eyes Hackett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 May I suggest reading this? First game of last season, 78 yard TD by Thomas, off of a WR screen. http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/11/6/5073860/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-offense-routes Edit: Also this article talks specifically about how much he used to run the screen in Indy and would be doing the same in Denver. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000058566/printable/peyton-manning-will-run-familiar-schemes-with-denver-broncos saying Payton Manning used the run screen and that's why he was successful suggests you know nothing about football. Just saying. Sammy ran screens all day against Ohio State because he could. If you watched this game in its entirety, you know that the game was close...back and forth and a bit of an offensive shootout. The game came down to the final play. Ohio State could not defend the screens, so they continued to run them. Clemson took this bowl game very seriously, and they did whatever they could to win, considering they had issues of their own with Ohio State's offense. I doubt that Chad Morris was overly concerned with what anyone thought about Watkins ability to run NFL routes when he devised the game plan. JMO. I would give pretty much anything for the Browns to have drafted Sammy. He is going to be a beast. best post of the thread and not even a Bills fan. Are all Browns fans this intelligent? Sign a few more up here would ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Peyton Manning does throw a ton of screens as well as long balls. Used to be Pierre garcon on the pick play. Now it's demaryius or welkahhhh etc. Not disparaging anyone's point here but I'll take 7-10 yard screen passes all day. Move those chains ! Edited May 20, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 OK, I finally watched a Watkins highlight reel. This did nothing to dispel what I've read about him. He caught 2 balls on what were basically "go" routes. All other catches were at/behind the LOS. He carried the ball a bunch of times. Personally I don't want my #1 WR exposed to the pounding that NFL DE's and LB's will give him if he's handed the ball. Maybe you give him the ball 3-4 times in a season just to keep the opposing defense on its toes, but, I would not mind one little bit if he never carried the ball (on a hand off) for Buffalo. He does snatch the ball out of the air beautifully, but, he will not "make a living" in the NFL on receptions at/behind the LOS. He looks like he's a willing & decent blocker based on that game. As I said earlier, I've been watching complete games not highlights, it is a different perspective. If Ds were giving them that bubble screen they just keep doing it and not just to Watkins. I don't see why that is a bad thing. He catches everything with his hands away from his body. It is impressive how quickly he turns and gets up to speed after the catch. He has great vision. Couldn't really tell much about his blocking. Defenses had to account for him on every play, opened up things for other guys. With the running back position becoming less important, does anyone think that WRs with running back skills are becoming a trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 saying Payton Manning used the run screen and that's why he was successful suggests you know nothing about football. Just saying. Wow, ok. Seriously? Did you click the links? Obviously not. I mean gee, why would 2 different writers, one who is a respected scout in Bucky Brooks, who both say Peyton (BTW it's P-E-Y-T-O-N, because you can't seem to spell) used WR screens A LOT in his career. So yea, that would suggest WR screens were a part of why he was/is a successful QB. I think it's yourself that knows very little about football and apparently can't be asked to read. Peyton Manning does throw a ton of screens as well as long balls. Used to be Pierre garcon on the pick play. Now it's demaryius or welkahhhh etc. Not disparaging anyone's point here but I'll take 7-10 yard screen passes all day. Move those chains ! You know nothing about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Wow, ok. Seriously? Did you click the links? Obviously not. I mean gee, why would 2 different writers, one who is a respected scout in Bucky Brooks, who both say Peyton (BTW it's P-E-Y-T-O-N, because you can't seem to spell) used WR screens A LOT in his career. So yea, that would suggest WR screens were a part of why he was/is a successful QB. I think it's yourself that knows very little about football and apparently can't be asked to read. You know nothing about football. not everyone can be a wiener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 You know nothing about football. I know Bobby Boucher is a tackling machine for the mud dogs. I also know Willie Beamon keeps em steaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 There really is no comparison for Sammy in the NFL....he does everything well....this is what makes him a rare talent...he is nit Julio or AJ but I believe a better all around player...I think he is more of a Percy harvin but with more talent....not sure why he has to be compared to these guys...I think Sammy is his own talent. Love his versatility.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 There really is no comparison for Sammy in the NFL....he does everything well....this is what makes him a rare talent...he is nit Julio or AJ but I believe a better all around player...I think he is more of a Percy harvin but with more talent....not sure why he has to be compared to these guys...I think Sammy is his own talent. Love his versatility.... He's a Percy harvin Heinz Ward mashup IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 He's a Percy harvin Heinz Ward mashup IMO. His body control and hands remind me of Fitzgerald too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 His body control and hands remind me of Fitzgerald too. This is what makes him special...he is combo of all those guys.....every single draft analyst when asked who he reminds them of....they all stop and stutter...there is no direct comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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