IslandBillsFan Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? Makes sense, but that is like rooting for college teams I hate so it makes my team's SoS better --- I just can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? Not only do I want week 17 to be meaningless for the Pats, I also picked the bastards in my pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? When the Pats finish 9-7 and we beat the Pats in the final game and go 9-7...they may look at common opponents. We beat the Panthers...they didn't. I know it's a stretch but it justifies my not rooting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 When the Pats finish 9-7 and we beat the Pats in the final game and go 9-7...they may look at common opponents. We beat the Panthers...they didn't. I know it's a stretch but it justifies my not rooting for them. Not a stretch at all. Our tie breaks largely depend on the panthers and ravens. We need both those teams to really finish strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Robert Krafts cheque to the refs must have bounced before the game. New England got really screwed. If the holding and contact came before the pass the refs should have called holding or illegal contact. If it was after the pass that was pass blatant interference. Gronk was being held/interfered and it definitely impeded him coming back to the ball and could have made a play on the ball. He was interfering him for a few seconds! The player became a brick wall. Blatant penalty...awful officiating and it couldn't have happened to a better organization Edited November 19, 2013 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Oh, I remember that. Yes. Karma is a biatch. I love watching New England lose. This. I know that in some part of this whole playoff equation it would have been best for NE to win, but I always want them to lose. It makes life better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 just finished the game and Kuechly was mauling Gronk, sorry that was obvious PI. Gronk couldn't make a play bc he was grossly interfered with. Refs on the take again. Suspicious reffing happened i the Stanford game as well where the ball was short and they called it first down and the chain guys ran off the field like no tomorrow. And Kaepernic was not "well outside the tackle box" Watching the reply this morning - I get the call. It's a TOUGH one to say gronk had zero chance to make a play on the ball even without the shove, but I just don't know that I see a way he could've gotten a hand on the ball. Refs should've explained it, but I won't say its a bad call (not sure it's a good one either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 1-800-CRY-BABY: http://instagram.com/p/g4gwyMCHJT/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 1-800-CRY-BABY: http://instagram.com/p/g4gwyMCHJT/ That was great. Same Instagram account has this by Steve Smith. Funny as hell. http://instagram.com/p/g4ltqpiHNN/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 You should probably come off of your Newton sucks stance a little bit. Kid is playing good ball. I don't think he sucks. I think he has had an incredible year thus far and the coaching staff has worked wonders. He still has work to do but his 2012 season behind him there is not anyone who can rationally say he has not made the step to elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Refs should've explained it, but I won't say its a bad call (not sure it's a good one either) Your logic shows that it was egregious referring. They called it a penalty on the field and if "I won't say its a bad call (not sure it's a good one either)" then they shouldn't have changed the ruling on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Watching the reply this morning - I get the call. It's a TOUGH one to say gronk had zero chance to make a play on the ball even without the shove, but I just don't know that I see a way he could've gotten a hand on the ball. Refs should've explained it, but I won't say its a bad call (not sure it's a good one either) The play was obvious from the PI perspective; Gronk was clearly and obviously restricted from making a play on the ball. It's the catch-able part that is open to judgement. But, if one looks at the replay of the play, the initial interference occurred right around where the ball ended up being intercepted (Keuchly dragged GronK several yards backwards on the play), I don't see anyone can say that a player of Gronk's ability would have no chance of catching that ball. EDIT: Added GIF Edited November 19, 2013 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That was great. Same Instagram account has this by Steve Smith. Funny as hell. http://instagram.com/p/g4ltqpiHNN/ Good stuff indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 It would have been intercepted if Kuechly wasn't there at all. Gronk was running to the back of the end zone and the DB had already undercut him before any contact was made by Kuechly. Clearly Brady didn't put the ball where it needed to be for Gronk to have any chance at it. For all the whining you hear about flags during most games, I'd think people would be happy to see the refs get together and agree that the flag thrown in error. Kudos to the refs for having the balls to pick it up. And of course, huge bonus points for a Pats* loss that ends with Brady crying to the refs. I agree that it would have been intercepted no matter... but usually, most games, a play like that would be call PI, so its all a bit weird. I've never really liked the idea of blindly throwing a ball in the direction of a receiver, and getting a PI call if it's in the same direction, and the defensive player isn't ready. But most of the time, it works... so along that history, that play should have been called a PI, even though I think it's BS. Maybe the NFL has directed the refs to watch out for that more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 @espn There's nothing controversial about this: Cam Newton was an elite QB last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The play was obvious from the PI perspective; Gronk was clearly and obviously restricted from making a play on the ball. It's the catch-able part that is open to judgement. But, if one looks at the replay of the play, the initial interference occurred right around where the ball ended up being intercepted (Keuchly dragged GronK several yards backwards on the play), I don't see anyone can say that a player of Gronk's ability would have no chance of catching that ball. EDIT: Added GIF At what point does gronk try to return to the ball? He wasn't trying to plant where he was first touched, he was still trying to get deep. It was clearly interference but I don't think gronk did anything to help the case that he could've otherwise gotten back to it based on the route he was running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Who remembers the last play of the Pats*/N.O. game? Brady makes a TD pass as time expires while Junior Galette gets the Captain Lou Albano choke hold. So here's your karma, bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The play was obvious from the PI perspective; Gronk was clearly and obviously restricted from making a play on the ball. It's the catch-able part that is open to judgement. But, if one looks at the replay of the play, the initial interference occurred right around where the ball ended up being intercepted (Keuchly dragged GronK several yards backwards on the play), I don't see anyone can say that a player of Gronk's ability would have no chance of catching that ball. EDIT: Added GIF I disagree. Look at the trajectory of the ball and imagine that 'interference' not occuring at all. Even if Kuechly was not pushing Gronk away, he would have been on the side of the ball. The ball should have been thrown more to (Brady's) right side. It was too much to the left and indeed I think if Kuechly wasn't tangled up with Gronk, he could have had a chance at intercepting that pass. Even if Kuechly did not, Robert Lester was moving towards the ball (he was not beat). Even Brady says it could have been a better throw. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000284507/article/tom-brady-throw-should-have-been-better-on-last-play Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? Nope, never. Can't root for the Pats*. Speaking more objectively, when have the Pats* eased off on the throttle ? They will still do their darndest to step on our throats and say they want momentum for the playoffs. I would rather beat them when they are at full strength. Either way, I won't root for the friggin' Pats* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That was great. Same Instagram account has this by Steve Smith. Funny as hell. http://instagram.com/p/g4ltqpiHNN/ "Ice up, son!" Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 If anything it was defensive holding and a 5 yard penalty, that alleviates a subjective catchable ball decision. EIther that, or the no call, it is a ball that would have been picked and was essentially a hail mary play where PI is hardly ever called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 If anything it was defensive holding and a 5 yard penalty, that alleviates a subjective catchable ball decision. EIther that, or the no call, it is a ball that would have been picked and was essentially a hail mary play where PI is hardly ever called. was he engaged before the ball was released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Lol at Steve Smith. Him and Talib were battling all game and had that little scuffle. Talib later left after re injuring his hip. Asked after the game about it Smith said "I don't know go ask him cuz he didn't finish the game. Ice up son ice up." Haha Smith is such a little punk but it's funny when he's not playing your team. Remember when he was talking crap about Stevie to Andre Reed vs us? That guy cracks me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Changing the direction of things here, but.... I know no one wants to see the Pats win, but shouldn't we have been routing for them? I know the playoffs are still a long shot but I think many people believe that the Week #17 game against the pats is the key to the playoffs. And to have a decent shot at it we need NE to have home field locked up... soooooooooo should we have been rooting for the Pats? screw that. i'll never root for new england to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 was he engaged before the ball was released? Looks to me like he was. He was draped on Gronk from like 5 yard line and into the end zone I think. I need to see another angle. We all know it would not have been the first time Kuechley committed PI on a big play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 At what point does gronk try to return to the ball? He wasn't trying to plant where he was first touched, he was still trying to get deep. It was clearly interference but I don't think gronk did anything to help the case that he could've otherwise gotten back to it based on the route he was running. Think of it this way ..... if Keuchly wasn't in the picture, does Gronk catch the ball? Of course, he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Last night brought back memories of the Seatlle-GB game last year. Twas very entertaining to say the least. Very happy that the Pats, for once, got the short end of the stick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Think of it this way ..... if Keuchly wasn't in the picture, does Gronk catch the ball? Of course, he does. but he is in the picture, even if he doesnt get hands on him. gronk would still have to get by both him AND and another defender AND catch the ball. and even if hes not in the picture im not sure gronk ever gets in front of the defender that made the pick and catches that ball. Edited November 19, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Gronk NEVER made an attempt on that ball. If he does the PI is warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Good no call, you don't make calls like those as a ref on the last play of the game b.c Gronk had no chance on the ball. Edited November 19, 2013 by Meatloaf Sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Think of it this way ..... if Keuchly wasn't in the picture, does Gronk catch the ball? Of course, he does. Easy to say that but that DB makes a hell of a move on that ball to jump in front of Gronk and I don't know if Gronk could have turned in time to make that play... even if he turns in time, the DB is still in front of him so he'll knock it down or make it extremely difficult to catch either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 but he is in the picture, even if he doesnt get hands on him. gronk would still have to get by both him AND and another defender AND catch the ball. and even if hes not in the picture im not sure gronk ever gets in front of the defender that made the pick and catches that ball. The only way to know for sure if Gronk could make a play on the ball, and therefore catch it, is to allow him the opportunity to do so. He wasn't afforded that opportunity because he had Keuchly drapped all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Think of it this way ..... if Keuchly wasn't in the picture, does Gronk catch the ball? Of course, he does. Really? I would say no chance he catches that. The ball was like underthrown by 3-4 feet, with like 2 other defenders in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The only way to know for sure if Gronk could make a play on the ball, and therefore catch it, is to allow him the opportunity to do so. He wasn't afforded that opportunity because he had Keuchly drapped all over him. ? Gronkowski just kept running his route. The ball was underthrown by about 3-4 yards. The Panthers DB realizes this and then cuts in front of Gronk to make the play. The DB is already cut in front of Gronk when Kuechly makes contact, meaning, the ball was already uncatchable if Gronk doesn't change his position..... and he doesn't.... he just keeps running. Just because a ball is in the air doesn't mean an offensive guy has to be allowed to catch it. In fact if Gronk stops, trys to move back to the ball, the interence would be correct, IMO. But he made no attempt. How is it that the DB realized the ball was underthrown before the receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 ? Gronkowski just kept running his route. The ball was underthrown by about 3-4 yards. The Panthers DB realizes this and then cuts in front of Gronk to make the play. The DB is already cut in front of Gronk when Kuechly makes contact, meaning, the ball was already uncatchable if Gronk doesn't change his position..... and he doesn't.... he just keeps running. Just because a ball is in the air doesn't mean an offensive guy has to be allowed to catch it. In fact if Gronk stops, trys to move back to the ball, the interence would be correct, IMO. But he made no attempt. How is it that the DB realized the ball was underthrown before the receiver? Huh. Look at the GIF above ...... Gronk was being dragged towards the EZ by a 250# LB. Of course he's not going to be able to make a play on the ball. That's why they have PI calls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Huh. Look at the GIF above ...... Gronk was being dragged towards the EZ by a 250# LB. Of course he's not going to be able to make a play on the ball. That's why they have PI calls! I have looked at the play and GIF, several times. We are seeing different things, because at no point do I see Kuechly "dragging" Gronkowski anywhere. Dragging looks like pulling, where does that happen? Kuechly is behind Gronkowski and I'm not sure how some drags someone forward from behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Huh. Look at the GIF above ...... Gronk was being dragged towards the EZ by a 250# LB. Of course he's not going to be able to make a play on the ball. That's why they have PI calls! watch the replay from the backside - gronk is already well past the point hed need to be at by the time he was actually grabbed and nowhere in it does he fight to get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I have looked at the play and GIF, several times. We are seeing different things, because at no point do I see Kuechly "dragging" Gronkowski anywhere. Dragging looks like pulling, where does that happen? Kuechly is behind Gronkowski and I'm not sure how some drags someone forward from behind... OK, he pushes him instead of drags him. In either case, Kuechly is draped all over Gronk and impeded his ability to make a play on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I hope in a couple of years we can look back at this season and see that it was the beginning of the end of the Pats. Lack of talent on offense, suspect D, and Brady is taking more and more hits. I've been waiting for their demise for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Huh. Look at the GIF above ...... Gronk was being dragged towards the EZ by a 250# LB. Of course he's not going to be able to make a play on the ball. That's why they have PI calls! Exaggerate much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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