McBeane Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 If anything, this thread is evidence to two things: 1. Misleading thread titles create very misinformed threads and 2. A good portion of people around here read the thread title and post a reaction without reading the thread at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I know he's only a HOFer, but Jonathan Ogden played LG for the 1996 season... http://www.pro-footb.../O/OgdeJo00.htm I also seem to remember Larry Allen and Bruce Matthews playing a fair share of both LT and LG...those guys were pretty good. Michael Oher has slid between the two as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I gotta say Glenn is a Guard and have always thought so. Maybe Marrone who is a damn good OL Coach and the OL are 'his guys' so to speak, thinks so as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I gotta say Glenn is a Guard and have always thought so. Maybe Marrone who is a damn good OL Coach and the OL are 'his guys' so to speak, thinks so as well? But...but....but... Buddy Nix said it was just a ruse on his part to pretend he was a guard, so he would fall to us in th 2nd round. He has always been a tackle! Buddy said so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Can we rename the thread to Glenn to LT now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Michael Oher has slid between the two as well. True about Oher, but he's not the greatest example to bring up because he's been a subpar player at tackle -- a bit of a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Hairston to LT, Glenn to LG. Doesn't sound too crazy. Imho, much better option than Glenn at LT and one of 3 turnstiles at LG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Guys, the post-practice comments explained things very clearly in a way that made sense: if your 6th-best OLmen is a tackle and not a guard, and you have a guy that can undoubtedly play guard, then you move him there in order to get your best 5 guys on the field. It really is that simple. And for those of you looking for examples of LTs that moved to LG based on injury, you're making a false analogy. We're talking about what is simply a different approach that is designed to ensure that the best 5 available OLmen are on the field at all times...nothing more to it. No, it isn't that simple at all. How many top quality left tackles do you tremember being moved to guard? Wolford is one, but he was more than 35 years old at the time. You cannot find me an example of any NFL team moving a star, or even very good LT out of position, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Can we rename the thread to Glenn to LT now? [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 [/thread] but so many people are yet to say "i told you so" to the guy that said "i told you so" yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 but so many people are yet to say "i told you so" to the guy that said "i told you so" yesterday This thread needs to die. It was a move made for one day. To hear people talk, no team has ever even thought about moving a good LT from his spot to try a different spot for one day during training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I know he's only a HOFer, but Jonathan Ogden played LG for the 1996 season... http://www.pro-footb.../O/OgdeJo00.htm I also seem to remember Larry Allen and Bruce Matthews playing a fair share of both LT and LG...those guys were pretty good. Ogden was a rookie being broken in slowly and Larry Allen and Bruce Matthews were career interior lineman who had brief times at OT. Moving from Guard to Tackle is an increase in degree of difficulty. But it happens that way all the time, good guards shift outside or to center when there is an injury. Levitre did both as well. Results vary though because those guys generally aren't good enough at that position to stay there and that's why they were inside. The Oilers moved Matthews to LT one game against the Bills and he gave up 5 sacks to Bruce Smith. To hear people talk, no team has ever even thought about moving a good LT from his spot to try a different spot for one day during training camp. Now that you mention it, when has it been done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 NO top quality tackles EVER get moved to guard...EVER....like throughout time... Glenn is a GUARD And they need to cut the BS And put his fat ass there, but odds are we won't until we can address LT in the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 No, it isn't that simple at all. How many top quality left tackles do you tremember being moved to guard? Wolford is one, but he was more than 35 years old at the time. You cannot find me an example of any NFL team moving a star, or even very good LT out of position, can you? Wolford started out as a guard, playing between Hull and Devlin. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) No, it isn't that simple at all. How many top quality left tackles do you tremember being moved to guard? Wolford is one, but he was more than 35 years old at the time. You cannot find me an example of any NFL team moving a star, or even very good LT out of position, can you? Didn't Wolford begin as a guard and move to tackle before moving back at the end of his career? And again, you're making a false analogy. We're not talking about Glenn being relieved of his LT duties; we're talking about making a move with a versatile player to get the best 5 players on the field in the event of an injury. As for examples, I suppose it depends on your definition of very good. How about a guy like Travelle Wharton? He spent the better part of 7 seasons flip-flopping between LG and LT for Carolina, starting every game in which he played. David Diehl started his NYG career at RT, moved inside to guard, then moved back outside to LT, where he started during their superbowl season in 2007-08, then was kicked back inside to guard in 2009, and has bounced back and forth ever since. This is a guy that once signed a top-5 OT contract. Bengals LT Andrew Whitworth started his career at LT, starting 12 games as a rookie. He moved inside to LG in his second season, then moved back outside to LT in season 3. I guess you get my point. Wolford started out as a guard, playing between Hull and Devlin. GO BILLS!!! Beat me to it.... Edited August 8, 2013 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Wolford started out as a guard, playing between Hull and Devlin. GO BILLS!!! Yeah, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. He moved inside to out in that instance. Like Bill said, it's obviously rare because it usually only happens when that player gets old or underperforms. Hence, the question about what it means for Glenn being tried inside. Some have mentioned it as a motivation tactic for the existing guards....but maybe it is a reminder to Glenn that he can be demoted. I don't buy the "cross training" explanation, you don't move your LT to guard during a game in the event of injury. I am quite sure I have never seen that maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Now that you mention it, when has it been done? I don't know. Never paid attention to other teams' training camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 As did Wolford. But didn't the moves come later in their careers, when they lost some outside mobility? Whatever the reason that Marrone is justifying in giving Glenn a turn at LG, and maybe it will make sense at some point in retrospect, can we finally dispense with the premise that LGs are plug n play and any dumpster dive player can be slotted in a line without missing a beat? Now you've gone too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yeah, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. He moved inside to out in that instance. Like Bill said, it's obviously rare because it usually only happens when that player gets old or underperforms. Hence, the question about what it means for Glenn being tried inside. Some have mentioned it as a motivation tactic for the existing guards....but maybe it is a reminder to Glenn that he can be demoted. I don't buy the "cross training" explanation, you don't move your LT to guard during a game in the event of injury. I am quite sure I have never seen that maneuver. Bill said Wolford played guard at age 35. I was merely pointing out that he started out there as a rookie. I really don't care if Glenn is moved to guard. It would be an upgrade at the position. Too bad we don't have a LT as good as he is at the moment. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I don't know. Never paid attention to other teams' training camps. That's what gets me. It's Training Camp. PRACTICE! One Frigging Day of PRACTICE when the HC wants to mix things up a bit to see what kind of depth he's going to have, and people are going ballistic. God forbid the coach should have some data to work with for contingency planning... or let players get some cross training for those contingency plans. Aye,yai,yai, yai! I remember calling Donaho out when he had 13 OTs on the team. Mike Pucillo was the 13th, and they had only one center listed and NO Guards. Fourteen bodies and they couldn't name two of them as Guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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