Kiper's three round mock

[Kevin]

Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO

[ganesh]

Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO

And so would Patterson

[CSBill]

There really are so few though. People should forget about using Russell Wilson as an example, it was a total fluke of a player that is likely to never happen again. Kaepernick is the only example in the last few years of a 2-3 rounder who is really a serious potential franchise guy.

 

And the one QB in this draft that has the skill set these two guys have is? EJ Manuel.

 

Ideally, the BIlls trade back and get him, and another pick in the late first or any in the second round, but I would not be upset if they took him with the 8th pick.

 

so far Kiper has the most reasonable draft spot for Nassib I have seen in a while

 

AGREED!

[Bills Fan since '64]

can anyone remember the Bills depth chart at QB looking so un-promising?

2005 - Losman/Holcomb (5 wins)

2001 - Van Pelt/R. Johnson (3 wins)

1997 - T. Colins/Van Pelt (6 wins)

1985 - Ferragamo/Mathison (2 wins)

 

Any other questions?

[Canadian Bills Fan]

LOL

 

God Kiper is awful.

 

NO way Nassib lasts until round 3

 

CBF

[Kelly the Dog]

And the one QB in this draft that has the skill set these two guys have is? EJ Manuel.

 

If you count "skill set" as strong arm and can run. Manuel is not remotely close to Wilson in the 12 other essential factors for an NFL QB except for good size. And not remotely close as a prospect.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

If you count "skill set" as strong arm and can run. Manuel is not remotely close to Wilson in the 12 other essential factors for an NFL QB except for good size. And not remotely close as a prospect.

 

Well I'm not gonna audit all the measurables and intangibles but two major things EJ has going for him are that he played at a higher level of competition and that he played in a pro-style offense and actually took many snaps from center.

 

There are also the four bowl game victories.

 

That's all on top of EJ having a better arm, being a better athlete, and being bigger and stronger.

 

EJ's also a two-time academic All-America and is working on his second degree.

 

Personally I take EJ over Geno.

Edited April 18, 2013 by San Jose Bills Fan

[Brainiac21]

i dont get this ziggy ansah love. what has he done in actual games?

 

dominated senior bowl. some people here don't value it much it seems, but i think NFL people do. it's much less of a projection because you get NFL coaching for first time, go against top players, coaches can see it first hand, etc.

 

do well that week and in that game, and you improve your stock immensely. apparently though he didn't do all that much in the practices, so still some doubt, but that game is still weighed heavily.

[thebandit27]

Ziggy Ansah would be like Aaron Maybin Part Deux. IMO

 

I understand from an experience perspective, but physically, I don't see the similarities...their measurables are much different.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Actually I'm not sure that Geno has anything on EJ.

[Kelly the Dog]

Well I'm not gonna audit all the measurables and intangibles but two major things EJ has going for him are that he played at a higher level of competition and that he played in a pro-style offense and actually took many snaps from center.

 

There are also the four bowl game victories.

 

That's all on top of EJ having a better arm, being a better athlete, and being bigger and stronger.

 

EJ's also a two-time academic All-America and is working on his second degree.

 

Personally I take EJ over Geno.

He doesn't have a better arm than Russell Wilson. Wilson has an absolute cannon. Manuel has a very good arm. Wilson also played against good competition in two different conferences, and learned two difference offenses. He's got way better mechanics, feet, reading defenses, leadership, football smarts, ball protection, pocket presence, decision making, seeing throwing lanes, touch on the ball, ball handling, experience, etc.

 

I like Manuel a lot, probably the most of any QB in the draft (although I'm not sure I would take him at 8). But Russell Wilson EXCELLED in everything except height, and it 10x the QB prospect as Manuel. One of the best QB prospects ever.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

He doesn't have a better arm than Russell Wilson. Wilson has an absolute cannon. Manuel has a very good arm. Wilson also played against good competition in two different conferences, and learned two difference offenses. He's got way better mechanics, feet, reading defenses, leadership, football smarts, ball protection, pocket presence, decision making, seeing throwing lanes, touch on the ball, ball handling, experience, etc.

 

I like Manuel a lot, probably the most of any QB in the draft (although I'm not sure I would take him at 8). But Russell Wilson EXCELLED in everything except height, and it 10x the QB prospect as Manuel. One of the best QB prospects ever.

 

I was comparing EJ to Geno.

 

Disregard.

[bisonbrigade]

Trade down as many times as you can, may with Minnesota, then start drafting, one player at #8 will do nothing for this team no matter how good he is.

[thebandit27]

Trade down as many times as you can, may with Minnesota, then start drafting, one player at #8 will do nothing for this team no matter how good he is.

 

You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team?

[bisonbrigade]

You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team?

It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round.

[NewEra]

 

 

You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team?

 

He's obviously a smart guy.

[NewEra]

 

It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round.

 

If the QB we take turns out to be a perennial all-pro it won't positively affect our team? That's what you're saying?

[Kelly the Dog]

You're saying that if Buffalo nabs a franchise QB at 8, it won't do anything for this team?

Could set us back a decade.

[thebandit27]

It will do something for the team, but not in a positive way. Trade down man, trade down. Here will still be there in the middle to late first round.

 

Right...so, just so I understand this, trading back in the draft is going to help the team better than getting a franchise QB?

 

Gotcha...

 

[facepalm]

[LABills08]

For all those saying that only one QB will be drafted in the first round or that the Bills won't go QB.....

 

Our GM just said he thinks there are 2-3 franchise QBs in the draft. And he's stated for awhile that this is the year for the Bills to find their QB.

 

I think the chances are pretty good the Bills go QB.

[HeHateMe]

I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me..

 

Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run.

[Brainiac21]

I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me..

 

Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run.

he'd still get some attention... NFL films guy has him #1, NFP has him #1, Gruden has him #1, PFW has him #2. so it's not like it's a local phenomenon.

 

that said, i think you have to be over 50% to take him in the top 10. i want a top 10 talent too, but if what many say is true that the talent is similar at 25 as it is at 8, then by all means trade down... you'll get 2 chances to get a good player.

[....lybob]

I swear if Nassib played at someplace like Cincinnati or Pitt, no one on this board would want him as our QB. I don't understand the infatuation with him other than the fact that Marrone and Hackett coached him. 3rd round seems about right to me..

 

Geno, Barkley, EJ should go before him... once these guys are gone there isn't a real hurry to get a QB since the rest of the guys are almost interchangeable.. it is based purely on preference and what offense you desire to run.

right there with you on Nassib but I understand why the divergence of opinion - right now we got ten QBs each with some strengths and some major flaws so our perception of which qualities in a QB are the most important - for me it's the ability to make something positive happen when the play breaks down ( OL fails in protection or WRs can't get open), from what I watched OL play for Syracuse was generally pretty good but when it did break down the best thing Nassib did was throw incomplete, the second best thing he did was take sacks, but he also threw bad interceptions and fumbled while trying to get away .

[Kelly the Dog]

he'd still get some attention... NFL films guy has him #1, NFP has him #1, Gruden has him #1, PFW has him #2. so it's not like it's a local phenomenon.

 

that said, i think you have to be over 50% to take him in the top 10. i want a top 10 talent too, but if what many say is true that the talent is similar at 25 as it is at 8, then by all means trade down... you'll get 2 chances to get a good player.

And twice as good a chance to not get the player you want because someone else takes him ahead of you.

[Steve O]

dominated senior bowl. some people here don't value it much it seems, but i think NFL people do. it's much less of a projection because you get NFL coaching for first time, go against top players, coaches can see it first hand, etc.

 

do well that week and in that game, and you improve your stock immensely. apparently though he didn't do all that much in the practices, so still some doubt, but that game is still weighed heavily.

I really hope we stay clear of Ziggy. Maybe he had a great senior bowl but 62 tackles with 4 1/2 sacks in the WAC aren't exactly dominant numbers. Add to that he was a pretty much a man playing with boys...he's two months younger than JJ Watt. Imagine what JJ would have done in the WAC last year.

 

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/04/20/2770773/a-meteoric-rise-for-missionary.html#storylink=cpy

[Hotpockets28]

Good god..kiper must step away from the hairgel and hairspray their damaging his brain cells....to me those three selections would set this franchise back another decade or so horrible picks...anzah= maybin 2.0 allen= possesion type wr we need a ""explosive game changer""..nassib= career backup....now on what the bills should do is this...first trade byrd to the vikes pick 25th...or at least to a team in the mid 20s...with the 8th pick draft Qb matt barkley..with the newly aquired first round pick draft tyler eifert TE... And with our second round pick draft Wr Robert woods.....now those three draft selections would do us some good..excellent draft day really

[Kemp]

Dear Mel Kiper, you are an idiot and if you were worth a damn you would be making multi millions for an NFL Team.

 

That said, there is no way in hell Nassib is there at #71. He will be gone in the first

The truth is that no one could do a "great" job at predicting the draft, but I would hazard a guess that he would be more accurate than the posters here, including you. So, if he is an idiot, those of us posting their predictions here are..........

 

It really is funny to see how definitive some of you are in your opinions. Men who make their living at it are lucky to hit at 50%, yet some of you are certain that you know the answers and those that disagree with you are idiots. If this was an easy game, GMs would be doing far better than they are.

[ny33]

Good god..kiper must step away from the hairgel and hairspray their damaging his brain cells....to me those three selections would set this franchise back another decade or so horrible picks...anzah= maybin 2.0 allen= possesion type wr we need a ""explosive game changer""..nassib= career backup....now on what the bills should do is this...first trade byrd to the vikes pick 25th...or at least to a team in the mid 20s...with the 8th pick draft Qb matt barkley..with the newly aquired first round pick draft tyler eifert TE... And with our second round pick draft Wr Robert woods.....now those three draft selections would do us some good..excellent draft day really

 

This is ironic.

[KGun12TD]

Mel's hair has surely clouded his brain!

[thebandit27]

Lets remember one thing here: nobody here, including myself, has the background to do what Kiper does.

 

It's easy to sit on a computer, start with some combination of pundits' big boards, and make a draft evaluation from there. Kiper doesn't do that...he does all his own leg work; studying years worth of real, actual game tape (which, no matter how many posters use the term erroneously, nobody on this board has access to) and breaking down hundreds of prospects.

 

I often disagree with his work, but the guy does deserve a modicum of respect for the time and effort he puts in.

[Tommy]

Just an FYI about the article in the original post: Kiper states very clearly that it is NOT a mock draft. Unlike his evolutionary Mock Drafts (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc), Kiper states in this article that "This is not really a mock draft. In this case, I'm the GM. In a mock I project picks -- here, I make them." The title of the article is even "Kiper's 'Grade A' Draft," which implies it is something like an ideal scenario for the top three rounds. Kiper knows Nassib won't be there in Round 3; he was just trying to stretch reality to make an entertaining article (whether or not it was actually entertaining is another subject).

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Kiper hair gel jokes as much as the next guy , but I just felt the need to put his picks in some context.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Just an FYI about the article in the original post: Kiper states very clearly that it is NOT a mock draft. Unlike his evolutionary Mock Drafts (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc), Kiper states in this article that "This is not really a mock draft. In this case, I'm the GM. In a mock I project picks -- here, I make them." The title of the article is even "Kiper's 'Grade A' Draft," which implies it is something like an ideal scenario for the top three rounds. Kiper knows Nassib won't be there in Round 3; he was just trying to stretch reality to make an entertaining article (whether or not it was actually entertaining is another subject).

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Kiper hair gel jokes as much as the next guy , but I just felt the need to put his picks in some context.

 

What have you done with Mike from Syracuse and how dare you steal his avatar?!?!?!?

[Astrobot]

 

2005 - Losman/Holcomb (5 wins)

2001 - Van Pelt/R. Johnson (3 wins)

1997 - T. Colins/Van Pelt (6 wins)

1985 - Ferragamo/Mathison (2 wins)

 

Any other questions?

Awesome!

[BuffaloFan68]

I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that.

 

Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones.

[first_and_ten]

I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that.

 

Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones.

 

When was the last time a guard was taken in the top ten?

[Steve O]

When was the last time a guard was taken in the top ten?

1983 - Bruce Matthews was drafted # 9. The time before that was the year before that, Mike Munchak at #8. Same team, same result, HOF career. I'd be happy if Warmack ended up here and had a similar career. Better than taking a flier on Ziggy. Edited April 22, 2013 by Steve O

[ganesh]

1983 - Bruce Matthews was drafted # 9. I'd be happy if Warmack had a similar career.

That is 30 drafts ago! And if I remember there were 4 QBs picked in that draft too!!

 

I agree that we should not be looking at a DE in the first. it would be great if we could land WR Patterson in the first then Nassib or Glennon in the second & then come back to LB after that.

 

Other options in the first if not Patterson - Geno Smith, Warmack or J Jones.

 

Patterson is a 1-year wonder. Nix prefers seasoned starters...Patterson will not be in a Bills uniform, not after being severely burned by the Maybin pick

[RCOHEN13]

http://insider.espn....-every-nfl-team

 

8) Ezekiel Ansah

41) Keenan Allen

71) Ryan Nassib

 

FYI... ir wasnt a "true" mock draft. I have ESPN insider as well and saw it when it came out. He says at start, He is basing his predictions to each team in terms of big board value, not what he thinks teams will do exactly. Hence Nassib in 3rd round.

 

I'd love this scenario and get Ansah who would be such a weapon and wreak havoc on D cuz this year with a real DC who knows what the word BLITZ means and we will have alot of shifting, stunts etc on that side of ball, i expect a top 10 D this yr. Ansah would be a 8-10 sack guy as pass rush specialist and be used like Aldon Smith in his rookie year.

 

BUT... i highly doubt Ansah is there at 8 and if he is.. he have much more pressing needs in 1st round. AFC east will be as tough as ever with Phins re-tooling via FA and getting their QB last year and with Jets now have a top 10 AND top 15 pick.. i can see Rex going heavy on D knowing he MUST show he is the Defensive guru now that Pettine is gone and most of talent that led them deep in playoffs few years ago in his 1st 2 years as HC.

[tennesseeboy]

Wow...Kiper putting Nassib in round 3 while many on this board want to draft him at 8....seems to be a disconnect here. Me? I think Nassib SHOULD go very late first or up to the middle of the second round. Bad choice at 8....wishful thinking that he gets to the third round.

[PoppaBen]

The truth is that no one could do a "great" job at predicting the draft, but I would hazard a guess that he would be more accurate than the posters here, including you. So, if he is an idiot, those of us posting their predictions here are..........

 

It really is funny to see how definitive some of you are in your opinions. Men who make their living at it are lucky to hit at 50%, yet some of you are certain that you know the answers and those that disagree with you are idiots. If this was an easy game, GMs would be doing far better than they are.

You read my mind. It's fun to play GM but settle down a little bit...guess what?... you don't know JACK! I will be happy with any QB they pick but personally I would like to see EJ drafted in the second.