Nitro Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Of all the QB starved teams, Arizona looks like the landing spot for Barkley. Does not fit the profile of what the Bills will want as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 The fact that you've heard of that many QBs from USC serves as a counterpoint. Find me a school that has put more QBs in the NFL in the past 15 years. History means next to nothing in the case of Matt Barkley. Different coach, different system and different development over the past 2 years. Ya but he still has shown nothing in the way of what Luck or RG3 has , & the risk far out ways the reward !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 For those who want us to pick Matt Barkley with our #8 pick. Have we learned nothing? I implore you, please digress by simply using history as a lesson. Mark Sanchez - Suuuuuuucks Matt Leinhart - Laugh out loud Carson Palmer - Had a minute or two of success Rob Johnson - This should be enough right here John David Booty - Who? Todd Marinovich - Yep Rodney Peete - Was a wonderful back up for many years Barkley is doomed and frankly hasn't shown much beyond what any of these other chumps have ever shown. Does any more need to be said? Can anyone name a successful QB from USC? Ever? i dont know the answer, but is it that usc is cursed or pete carroll didnt get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have never understood this logic. Player X should be discounted because he went to school Y. I can't think of a position with more misses than QB. OK, you're right. The list is lackluster. But to discount MB because he went to USC seems short sighted. Tell me he has poor pocket presence, a weak arm, runs at glacial speed, is myopic, whatever, and I'm listening. What schools HAVE produced HOF QBs on a consistent basis? This still does not explain the complete failure of a QB school USC has been in the NFL!! Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson AND John David Booty. Don't turn it around... the argument is that USC quarterbacks historically suck, big time. THAT is irrefutable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) This still does not explain the complete failure of a QB school USC has been in the NFL!! Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson AND John David Booty. Don't turn it around... the argument is that USC quarterbacks historically suck, big time. THAT is irrefutable. SO why does that mean Barkley will suck. I'm not seeing the connection? By this logic we should only draft QB's from Cal, Tennesee and MIchingan. C'mon Allan Bridgford, Tyler Bray, and Denard Robinson! We should draft all 3 since they are going to be stars. Edited January 11, 2013 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I love this line of thinking. So if Barkley should be avoided because he went to USC, and as we all know that school can't produce QBs, then where should the Bills find their next QB? The answer is obvious. What university has the most QB starts in NFL history? What university has thrown for the most TDs in NFL history. What university is known as the "cradle of QBs" and Quaterback U? Purdue University thats who. So using the reliable method of picking a QB based on school the choice is clear. Robert Marve should be the pick. Added bonus is that he's the son of former Bill Eugene Marve. So what could possibly go wrong? Edited January 11, 2013 by gumby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I love this line of thinking. So if Barkley should be avoided because he went to USC, and as we all know that school can't produce QBs, then where should the Bills find their next QB? The answer is obvious. What university has the most QB starts in NFL history? What university has thrown for the most TDs in NFL history. What university is known as the "cradle of QBs" and Quaterback U? Purdue University thats who. So using the reliable method of picking a QB based on school the choice is clear. Robert Marve should be the pick. Added plus is that he's the son of former Bill Eugene Marve. So what could possibly go wrong? Great minds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 For those who want us to pick Matt Barkley with our #8 pick. Have we learned nothing? I implore you, please digress by simply using history as a lesson. Mark Sanchez - Suuuuuuucks Matt Leinhart - Laugh out loud Carson Palmer - Had a minute or two of success Rob Johnson - This should be enough right here John David Booty - Who? Todd Marinovich - Yep Rodney Peete - Was a wonderful back up for many years Barkley is doomed and frankly hasn't shown much beyond what any of these other chumps have ever shown. Does any more need to be said? Can anyone name a successful QB from USC? Ever? But Look at the Team that Drafted them Jets: Biggest Joke in the NFL, a Total Circus Cardinals: consist losers with bad history of picking coaches Bengals: cheap organization Jaguars; played the Bills on a below average player Vikings: he never got a shot Raiders; encourage his Drug habit Lions: another consist losers with bad history of picking coaches & building a team Just saying a Good Organization helps a players career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 SO why does that mean Barkley will suck. I'm not seeing the connection? By this logic we should only draft QB's from Cal, Tennesee and MIchingan. C'mon Allan Bridgford, Tyler Bray, and Denard Robinson! We should draft all 3 since they are going to be stars. wasnt the track record of Cal QBs used as an argument against Rodgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 SO why does that mean Barkley will suck. I'm not seeing the connection? By this logic we should only draft QB's from Cal, Tennesee and MIchingan. C'mon Allan Bridgford, Tyler Bray, and Denard Robinson! We should draft all 3 since they are going to be stars. Don't draft Matt Barkley is what I am saying.... your strawman argument isn't valid. wasnt the track record of Cal QBs used as an argument against Rodgers? Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. he was? Edited January 11, 2013 by Carey Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Don't draft Matt Barkley is what I am saying.... your strawman argument isn't valid. Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. And with that, you've pretty much told the board you know nothing about football. Alex Smith was first. If DC Tom was here, he'd call you an idiot™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. He was selected in the first round (24th overall) of the 2005 draft I just looked a that draft again. Ryan Fitzpatrick was #250 out of 255. You should never, ever draft a QB from Harvard. Edited January 11, 2013 by I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Don't draft Matt Barkley is what I am saying.... your strawman argument isn't valid. Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. Before he blew out his knee Carson Palmer was pretty effing good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I thought the guy in the attached link captured some good thoughts about the Barkley slide. I still think he will be the first QB taken. I’ve heard Barkley doesn’t have a strong throwing arm. Who told you that? Was it Phil Simms, because he also said Andrew Luck didn’t have a big-time arm before last year’s draft. I don’t know where people are getting this idea. In fact, Barkley had more yards per attempt in 2012 than Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, and Tyler Bray. In other words, more than all the other quarterbacks I mentioned except Aaron Murray. Why would the USC coaching staff trust Barkley to make the kind of throws that got him a high yards per attempt if they didn’t trust his arm? And even if it comes out in the combine or the Pro Day that Barkley can’t throw it 60 yards on his knees like JaMarcus Russell could (the gold standard of arm strength that didn’t mean a darn thing), he’s obviously got a strong enough arm to get the job done. arrowheadaddict.com/2012/12/15/todd-mcshay-is-wrong-and-matt-barkley-should-be-a-chief/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I love this line of thinking. So if Barkley should be avoided because he went to USC, and as we all know that school can't produce QBs, then where should the Bills find their next QB? The answer is obvious. What university has the most QB starts in NFL history? What university has thrown for the most TDs in NFL history. What university is known as the "cradle of QBs" and Quaterback U? Purdue University thats who. So using the reliable method of picking a QB based on school the choice is clear. Robert Marve should be the pick. Added bonus is that he's the son of former Bill Eugene Marve. So what could possibly go wrong? I think the thinking is certain schools have tend to make players look better than they are. Personally, I'm not a fan of drafting QBs from powerhouse colleges (USC, Oklahoma, Miami, etc.) When you are a QB at a powehouse school, you are covered up. You never get hit because you have a great line. You have blue chippers at all the skill positions. Bascially, you never faced adversity and that's what makes a NFL QB great. So when they get to the pros, it's cold water to the face. I was on record last year saying the Rams should have tried to trade Bradford and pick RG3. Bradford is the definition of a QB from a powerhouse school. He never got hit in college, played in a great system, and threw to blue chippers. As a result, he is a pretty average NFL player. RG3 on the other hand changed a program. That said, I like Barkley and think the hate has gone to fair. He is a different kid than most USC QBs. He goes to missions to Africa in the offseason. Because of violations and loss of scholarships, USC wasn't as strong the past few years as it's been. As others have pointed out, he started 4 years. Additionally, he had to play under Kiffin, who IMO is an absolute joke. If Barkley is on the board, it will be really hard for the Bills to pass on him. Especially when you consider that Marrone saw Barkley pass for 6 tds against Cuse. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/480322/matt-barkley When was the last time the Bills had a QB with the resume of Barkley? And there is no reason not to draft a QB later. But personally, I'd be all for Barkley in a Bills' uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Don't draft Matt Barkley is what I am saying.... your strawman argument isn't valid. Aaron Rodgers was a #1 overall pick... how many USC quarterbacks went #1 overall??? One. Carson Palmer, the best of a list that sucks. how do you make a buzzer sound annnnnnnttttttttttttttt Rodgers went like 24thish? all Cal qb's sucked. so glad we passed on Rodgers. :w00t: This USC argument is dumb..........different everything.............theres no correlation..............and Carson Palmer was awesome pre cheap shot to the knee FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 how do you make a buzzer sound annnnnnnttttttttttttttt Rodgers went like 24thish? all Cal qb's sucked. so glad we passed on Rodgers. :w00t: This USC argument is dumb..........different everything.............theres no correlation..............and Carson Palmer was awesome pre cheap shot to the knee FWIW. even more than the Cal argument, it was all Tedford coached QBs are terrible (Harrington, Carr). I get the idea of type casting but just like it real life, you need to explore each person individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 how do you make a buzzer sound annnnnnnttttttttttttttt http://soundfxnow.com/sound-fx/gameshow-buzzer-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 nice SJBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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