95altima12 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2013.php My guess is he will be cut after 2014... That's when we save some money. Plus he is a smart player and good guy I think he will help groom a QB we draft this year... And back him up/help him in the 2014 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I actually agree with this. As much as I don't like Fitz as our starter, I still like him as a person and believe that he would help with a young qb development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Very much contradicts the idea that we'd avoid a LARGE bonus due in march, and that there's not much left guaranteed. Almost every report has said he will be on the block early this spring for a decision. Also keep in mind even if the numbers are accurate, cash savings is still cash savings and taking a prorated acceleration this year will clear that off future years books. It may only save 450k under the 2012 cap but will keep millions in the war chest and clear future dollars off If I had to guess, he stays to groom though, but not due to those numbers. Edited December 14, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95altima12 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Very much contradicts the idea that we'd avoid a LARGE bonus due in march, and that there's not much left guaranteed. Almost every report has said he will be on the block early this spring for a decision. Also keep in mind even if the numbers are accurate, cash savings is still cash savings and taking a prorated acceleration this year will clear that off future years books. It may only save 450k under the 2012 cap but will keep millions in the war chest and clear future dollars off If I had to guess, he stays to groom though, but not due to those numbers. This is saying there would be 10 mil dead money wouldn't that be gauaranteed money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 This is saying there would be 10 mil dead money wouldn't that be gauaranteed money? + 1 ?? you can't pay a backup QB $8 9 10 million a year to sit on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) This is saying there would be 10 mil dead money wouldn't that be gauaranteed money? Seemingly pro rated signing bonus would be my guess but I thought he primarily got it via roster bonus and salary boost when he signed to avoid this very discussion. Him being unable to reasonably be cut contradicts every report we've had on the contract. Edited December 14, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95altima12 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 + 1 ?? you can't pay a backup QB $8 9 10 million a year to sit on the bench. He would be a starter for a year or two. Seemingly pro rated signing bonus would be my guess but I thought he primarily got it via roster bonus and salary boost when he signed to avoid this very discussion. Him being unable to reasonably be cut contradicts every report we've had on the contract. Well don't get em wrong that is great news if true but is there a link anywhere saying that we would be able to get out of his contract easy? I just don't see a Harvard guy letting his agent put him into a contract that like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He would be a starter for a year or two. Yippie, another year or two of drafting in the top 10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He would be a starter for a year or two. Well don't get em wrong that is great news if true but is there a link anywhere saying that we would be able to get out of his contract easy? I just don't see a Harvard guy letting his agent put him into a contract that like that. It's obviously a trade. He'd get a bit more dough but it'd be easier to get out of if the money wasn't earned. Additionally cash to cap by its very nature avoids these hits by not giving big signing bonuses that prorate and instead doing salary and roster bonuses that hit in the given year. Nothing like we were pulling one over on him being implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I heard we reaggravated his rib injury from last years washington game the night before the opener, and that he could still play but be limited for 9-10 months. He is expected to heal fully in the next few months and should be 90% for training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Typically you don't keep the former starter around to mentor a younger guy. That is, unless you're the Buffalo Bills and don't cut J.P. Losman after he's been demoted in favor of Trent Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Typically you don't keep the former starter around to mentor a younger guy. That is, unless you're the Buffalo Bills and don't cut J.P. Losman after he's been demoted in favor of Trent Edwards. Don Strock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 can we start a fund or something to help? let me know, i have a few bucks for this cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) dug a little, and it looks like fitz got a 10m signing bonus. if thats spread over 5 years (the standard) and 2 years are already paid than we should see 6m in dead space with acceleration. any bonuses ive found going forward are only guaranteed for injury, not skill so they should be out the window. and like i said earlier, even if it hits the cap this year, it keeps 10m in the war chest and saves us from cap acceleration that would likewise occur next year. if hes gone i think hes got minimal, if any, future money actually going into his pocket and any cap hit is just an accounting measure. still trying to find a really solid source, but with these contracts theres often some differences from site to site. i think we keep him still, but i dont think it will be due to the cap hit to cut him. Edited December 14, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2013.php My guess is he will be cut after 2014... That's when we save some money. Plus he is a smart player and good guy I think he will help groom a QB we draft this year... And back him up/help him in the 2014 season. They would save actual money not cap money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He'll be here next year and most likely the starter unless Nix gets tricky and pulls off a trade for Rivers. He's the only QB that is available or could be had Thats worth the starting spot. No to Flacco, Vick, Skelton, Flynn, Any rookie. If Futz is here, he'll be the starter unless Rivers is in town. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It's seldom a good idea to have your entrenched starter relegated to backup while grooming his replacement. The Bills can cut Fitz without it hurting too much by avoiding having to pay his March bonus. His contract wouldn't be a reason to just hold onto him at this point. I just don't see how they can bring him back with any credibility. He's a great guy and all, but the Fitz experiment is most likely over at this point. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 They would save actual money not cap money and clear cap money down the line still too, not just this year that you have to look at in the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 http://nyjetscap.com...s/bills2013.php My guess is he will be cut after 2014... That's when we save some money. Plus he is a smart player and good guy I think he will help groom a QB we draft this year... And back him up/help him in the 2014 season. I'm not sure how credible this website is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 He'll be here next year and most likely the starter unless Nix gets tricky and pulls off a trade for Rivers. He's the only QB that is available or could be had Thats worth the starting spot. No to Flacco, Vick, Skelton, Flynn, Any rookie. If Futz is here, he'll be the starter unless Rivers is in town. Bank on it. what if all the rookies are better? much like 80% of the young qb's of the last 2-3 years rookie time! lets do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm not sure how credible this website is. even if credible, its a complex question. the numbers themselves need MUCH further analysis beyond 10m vs 10.045m, so obviously he will be kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I still think we don't give him enough credit for what he brings to the team. "O" line hasn't been solid for a whole year for so long I forget. Last week we saw what happens when 40% of the "O" line starts for the first time. It all starts up front. His recievers this Year?? Please. Not the best for sure. Sure he misses a throw now and than. They all do. He is a good leader and we should cut some slack because the team has let him down also. Amen! Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Just recall, Aaron Rodgers was a #1, and sat for 3 years before playing. OK, he was behind Farve...but, still...at least one year of grooming is appriopriate to save on field education mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Just recall, Aaron Rodgers was a #1, and sat for 3 years before playing. OK, he was behind Farve...but, still...at least one year of grooming is appriopriate to save on field education mistakes. Means nothing - qbs are coming to the league more ready than ever. It's now a case by case basis, not a hard rule. Some rookies have displayed more consistent play than fitz both in physical and mental talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 According to this Kelsay, McGee, George Wilson, Brad Smith and FredEx has to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 http://nyjetscap.com...s/bills2013.php My guess is he will be cut after 2014... That's when we save some money. Plus he is a smart player and good guy I think he will help groom a QB we draft this year... And back him up/help him in the 2014 season. How do you meaure lost opportunity costs? I don't dislike him, but he's not the guy. Cut losses and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Means nothing - qbs are coming to the league more ready than ever. It's now a case by case basis, not a hard rule. Some rookies have displayed more consistent play than fitz both in physical and mental talent. True, but it goes both ways. You can look at the success of rookie QB's like Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ben Roethlisberger & Matt Ryan. Then look at rookie QB's like Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, David Carr & Tim Couch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 This is saying there would be 10 mil dead money wouldn't that be gauaranteed money? its cap dollars, not real dollars. Also, this site is giving a cap number with the bonus prorated, which the Bills allegedly don't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 True, but it goes both ways. You can look at the success of rookie QB's like Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ben Roethlisberger & Matt Ryan. Then look at rookie QB's like Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, David Carr & Tim Couch. That's why I said it was a case by case basis. For both the vet and the rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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