jr1 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Mario had 3 sacks and the Bills still lost. Fitz isn't good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Kachy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, Luck is in the bottom 4....but Fitz's completion percentage is right in th middle of all starters, ahead of E Manning, Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, Freeman,...... He has fewer ints than Romo, Rivers and Ryan. He has the same number of ints as E Manning and Culter, but more TDs than either of them. And he cant hit a wide open reciever more than 5 yards down field. Hell, he couldnt hit the brad side of a barn. Like i have said the past two seasons, fitzmoney is a back up. Never been good, never will be good. Yall just kept pilling on about the amish pistol and fitzmagic. He is completely horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I hate W-L for QBs. It's very misleading. Fitz has played on some crappy teams. But he isn't the type of guy who will elevate a team. The Bills haven't had one of those guys since the 90s. W-L is the only stat that matters. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) W-L is the only stat that matters. Sorry. Ok, what is Kyle Williams W/L record? What is Byrd's W/L record? How about CJs or SJs? It sure as !@#$ isn't any better than Fitz, does that mean they gotta go also? W/L is a team stat, not just a QB stat like TDs or Ints. OMFG! Edited November 26, 2012 by FreakPop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 im with ya on the Vick......its like religion almost...........but to face facts he takes too long (see big ben,cutler with crappy OL's also) with our OL would Vick be a mega upgrade over Fitz? yes doubters do have plenty of dirt to throw though. Vick and 2nd round qb or late 1st round tradeup camp battle would be nice IMO. Big Ben is huge it takes like 2 tackles to bring him down if Mike doesn't go into a fire drill somebody grabs him he's goin down ASAP lol I dont think Cutlers line is as bad as Philly or Pitt but, Cutler and Mike are just about on the same level id dare say Mike makes better decisions but thats up for debate... Id take that Mike for a second or third. I dont know if any QB is worth a first maybe Geno or Barkley but USC QBs suck in the NFL and Geno is 50/50 might be RG3 might be Akili Smith... Okay bro, lol. I'm not going to get into it about Vick, we can agree to disagree, I see where ya coming from and respect that you're retiring from defending the guy. What we CAN agree on is that Fitz is NOT the answer. We can definitely agree Fitzshitthebed is NOT the answer. lol.. I might spar from time to time with the MV7 threads im like Jordan on the Wizards I know I need to stop but these kids can be so outlandish I have to show them who's boss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Ok, what is Kyle Williams W/L record? What is Byrd's W/L record? How about CJs or SJs? It sure as !@#$ isn't any better than Fitz, does that mean they gotta go also? W/L is a team stat, not just a QB stat like TDs or Ints. OMFG! Yes, a DL has the same impact on a game as a QB who touches the ball every snap. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 To be honest all that means nothing.. Who wins and Who loses? Who helps their team win and who throws a int at the most crucial time in the game? I can handle an int by any of those guys you mentioned because I trust them to make it up. With your QB I just sit and wait for him to f*ck it up and he always does. Silly thing is its to the point where others do the exact same thing and thats not good... So you trust Romo to "make it up"? And Cutler? No you don't. Who loses? Vick loses. Here's a guy better equipped than any other QB (say..the lumbering Big Ben or even Aaron Rodgers) to minimize the effect of a bad O-line with his speed and big arm. Yet he stinks because he is too stupid to master the NFL offense or read a defense. He has no idea who or where his secondary receiver is and he has a career history of terrible accuracy problems. Fitz's limitations are obvious, but you won't carry much critical heft if you continue to pretend Mike Vick's only problem is his o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) Don't want to make excuses for Fitz but........ It was windy yesterday....... The lighting was poor and the footballs appeared oily Edited November 26, 2012 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBills51 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, Luck is in the bottom 4....but Fitz's completion percentage is right in th middle of all starters, ahead of E Manning, Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, Freeman,...... He has fewer ints than Romo, Rivers and Ryan. He has the same number of ints as E Manning and Culter, but more TDs than either of them. This is a perfect example of how statistics can be misinterpreted to claim that a relationship exists, when in fact, it is not statistically significant. Inferring that Fitzpatrick is a more accurate quarterback than Manning, Stafford or Luck is laughable, and it fails to account for countless variables. First, you fail to account for the offense that the quarterback is in. With the Bills, Fitzpatrick is rarely asked to push the ball down the field, whereas with the Colts, Andrew Luck actually pushes the ball down the field quite regularly. Here is a link to Advanced NFL Stats, which is a site that calculates a statistic they call Air Yards per Attempt. According to their website, Air Yards are "the passing yards forward of the line of scrimmage in which the ball travels through the air. In other words, it is total passing yards minus any yards after catch (YAC) gained by the receiver." Now, for those of us who actually watch the games, Ryan Fitzpatrick is unsurprisingly at bottom of the league in Air Yards per Attempt. Thereby, one would hope that Fitzpatrick would have a high Completion Percentage due to the fact that he primarily throws 3 yards slants, outs, and screens.Once again, even if a QB has a low Completion Percentage and a low Air Yards per Attempt, this does not necessarily mean that this QB is inaccurate. Such analysis would fail to account for drops, a poor receiving corp, quality of opponents, and so on. It is for this reason that people must rely on what they see as much as what they know, and 95% of us see Fitzpatrick as a wildly inaccurate QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Ok, what is Kyle Williams W/L record? What is Byrd's W/L record? How about CJs or SJs? It sure as !@#$ isn't any better than Fitz, does that mean they gotta go also? W/L is a team stat, not just a QB stat like TDs or Ints. OMFG! You will make any argument to protect Fitz. So let's put all the cards on the table.....if you were GM of the Bills and Fitz's deal were up at the end of this year, would you sign him long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 You will make any argument to protect Fitz. So let's put all the cards on the table.....if you were GM of the Bills and Fitz's deal were up at the end of this year, would you sign him long term? Nope, and I have said as much. The Bills need to upgrade the QB position if it is available. Not a lateral move, an upgrade. Some think anybody is an upgrade over Fitz and that isn't true. If the Bills can't get a Luck, RGIII, Manning in free agency, etc what is the point as this "TEAM" sucks, it's not just the QB. A new QB, no matter how talented he is isn't going to make this a playoff team, I don't care what you think, it won't happen. For you and the masses who just pound on Fitz and are totally oblivious to the fact that the problems with this team go way way deeper than the QB, all you want to focus on is the QB and neglect everything else. It seems that you haters think just changing the QB is the magic answer to all the Bills problems. Ha, I laugh at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well, Luck is in the bottom 4....but Fitz's completion percentage is right in th middle of all starters, ahead of E Manning, Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, Freeman,...... He has fewer ints than Romo, Rivers and Ryan. He has the same number of ints as E Manning and Culter, but more TDs than either of them. ...AND IF ONLY THAT WERE THE SAME THING AS ACCURACY. OMG, Honestly. Just watch the man throw, please. He's above, behind, in the turf. He's innacurate as hell, even when the receiver catches the ball, they are often so contorted reaching for it, or slowed on a ball behind them, that they can't get the yards after catch they should be. He also is running a scheme designed by Gailey to throw a lot of short easy to complete passes with the field spread horizontally. Fitz has always had terrible accuracy, and sadly, despite having a coach brought in specifically to help is sorry mechanics, he's actually regressed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 ...AND IF ONLY THAT WERE THE SAME THING AS ACCURACY. OMG, Honestly. Just watch the man throw, please. He's above, behind, in the turf. He's innacurate as hell, even when the receiver catches the ball, they are often so contorted reaching for it, or slowed on a ball behind them, that they can't get the yards after catch they should be. He also is running a scheme designed by Gailey to throw a lot of short easy to complete passes with the field spread horizontally. Fitz has always had terrible accuracy, and sadly, despite having a coach brought in specifically to help is sorry mechanics, he's actually regressed this season. blah blah blah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Cinci knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Nope, and I have said as much. The Bills need to upgrade the QB position if it is available. Not a lateral move, an upgrade. Some think anybody is an upgrade over Fitz and that isn't true. If the Bills can't get a Luck, RGIII, Manning in free agency, etc what is the point as this "TEAM" sucks, it's not just the QB. A new QB, no matter how talented he is isn't going to make this a playoff team, I don't care what you think, it won't happen. For you and the masses who just pound on Fitz and are totally oblivious to the fact that the problems with this team go way way deeper than the QB, all you want to focus on is the QB and neglect everything else. It seems that you haters think just changing the QB is the magic answer to all the Bills problems. Ha, I laugh at that. Ha I laugh at that also. it sounds so devious. what a good line. Changing QB is the magic answer see Indy and Wash for references. The D was lights out yesterday, its a shame the good fitz is absent against a subpar colts D, but no ones surprised. Fitz is a good guy but hes a top 3 backup QB, not a starter. No shame in that game. Fitz has been brutal lately w the season on the line. Too much failure....lets cut the cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This might sound like crazy talk to some, but while I see Fitzpatrick as a lower tier QB, I do think he's better than Sam Bradford. Has anyone watched him? He strikes me as wooden and robotic, and he's clearly not a leader of men. There's no inventiveness in his game. Maybe that will change, but right now I think he's headed for a career of mediocrity. True. Fitz is a 7-9 QB. To go with our 7-9 coaching staff. Comes from a 7-9 owner. That is the magic number to keep us fans on the hook without damaging profitability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneknee Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Why does everyone find Fitz so likeable? What makes you all say this?? He seems like a total douche to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Nope, and I have said as much. The Bills need to upgrade the QB position if it is available. Not a lateral move, an upgrade. Some think anybody is an upgrade over Fitz and that isn't true. If the Bills can't get a Luck, RGIII, Manning in free agency, etc what is the point as this "TEAM" sucks, it's not just the QB. A new QB, no matter how talented he is isn't going to make this a playoff team, I don't care what you think, it won't happen. For you and the masses who just pound on Fitz and are totally oblivious to the fact that the problems with this team go way way deeper than the QB, all you want to focus on is the QB and neglect everything else. It seems that you haters think just changing the QB is the magic answer to all the Bills problems. Ha, I laugh at that. And I have been vocal about the defense too, but that doesn't fit your argument, so you ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) So you trust Romo to "make it up"? And Cutler? No you don't. Who loses? Vick loses. Here's a guy better equipped than any other QB (say..the lumbering Big Ben or even Aaron Rodgers) to minimize the effect of a bad O-line with his speed and big arm. Yet he stinks because he is too stupid to master the NFL offense or read a defense. He has no idea who or where his secondary receiver is and he has a career history of terrible accuracy problems. Fitz's limitations are obvious, but you won't carry much critical heft if you continue to pretend Mike Vick's only problem is his o-line. First I don't think Fitz mastered the NFL game either because he has no idea where a DB or Safety is cuz he throws right to them constantly.. Ok now let me ETHER this guy right quick... Theres nothing you can say after I say this that will make any kind of sense but im doing this cuz I feel you want this so here we go... How many playoff games has Fitz won? How many playoff games has Mike won.. #CHECKMATE #GAMEOVER.. *Waits to shake hands in middle of field* Edited November 27, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 First I don't think Fitz mastered the NFL game either because he has no idea where a DB or Safety is cuz he throws right to them constantly.. Ok now let me ETHER this guy right quick... Theres nothing you can say after I say this that will make any kind of sense but im doing this cuz I feel you want this so here we go... How many playoff games has Fitz won? How many playoff games has Mike won.. #CHECKMATE #GAMEOVER.. *Waits to shake hands in middle of field* Don't you have to lead a team to the playoffs before you can win a playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 If stats told the whole story then Fitz would be great and the Bills would be cruising into the playoffs. But they don't and Fitz still sucks and so do the Bills. I couldn't name 5 starting QBs in the NFL worse than Fitz, and I could name 5 backups I would rather have right now over Fitz. I am 100% serious when I say there are at least 32 QBs in the league right now I would rather have, whether bc they are simply better or because they are young and have potential. Stats do not tell the whole story. Your right. Unfortunately for your argument it works for Fitz just as it works against him in the way you are talking. As you say that Fitz' stats don't mean anything because he is terrible in clutch times. At the same time, he suffers from Chan not helping him succeed. It's more on Chan than it is Fitz. Don't get me wrong, we need a new QB. But Fitz can win with this team and its been proven. He can also, as proven, be out into as many failing situations as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 No, not 4 more years of Fitz. Not at all. Just pointing out the inaccuracy of the OP's thread. A year and a half or so ago, we were 5-2. I don't recall many saying we had to get rid of Fitz back then. Here, let me help you: Matt Cassel Blaine Gabbert Brandon Weeden Mark Sanchez Skelton/Kolb and I'll throw in Vick because he is truly awful. Cassel is bad but not worse than fitz Gabbert at least his upside is unknown and he throws a good ball Weeden definitely looks better than fitz after only half a season Sanchez as sad as he is is better than fitz. Better footwork and better arm. Was in AFC championship game as a rookie and 2nd year Skelton/kolb both better than fitz Vick better than fitz, no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Mario had 3 sacks and the Bills still lost. Fitz isn't good enough And i beleive all 3 came on 3rd downs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 W-L is the only stat that matters. Sorry. Before last year Alex Smith's WL was atrocious. Then John Harbaugh arrives on the scene. He emphasizes defense and an offense that plays to Alex' strengths and stays away from his weaknesses. Then his record is suddenly better. Why is that? Did Alex have an epiphany or did he just get in a better situation with better support from the D and a coach that knows how to use his talents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Before last year Alex Smith's WL was atrocious. Then John Harbaugh arrives on the scene. He emphasizes defense and an offense that plays to Alex' strengths and stays away from his weaknesses. Then his record is suddenly better. Why is that? Did Alex have an epiphany or did he just get in a better situation with better support from the D and a coach that knows how to use his talents? Alex Smith is a better QB than Fitz...Since 2009 Smith has steadily improved...He's more athletic, and has a better arm than Fitz...He was the #1 overall pick in the Draft...He's a good, smart, young QB...Not great...but good and improving... What has happened in San Fran is a once in a decade thing...Everything is coming together at the right time, and Harbaugh is obviously in the top tier of NFL Coaches...If you're expecting The Bills can do the same I'm guessing you're going to be wrong. That is precisely why Fitz has to go sooner rather than later...The Bills are going to need better play at the QB position...Period...And granted Fitz would be better on a Team like San Fran...But The Bills are not San Fran, and he's not even as good as Smith...And heck Smith is in danger of being replaced there...That's how good that Roster is... So...Just saying...I hear you, but I don't think it's a reasonable comparison...The Bills need, and are going to need a better QB than Fitz...They just are...You can take that to the bank...They will not build a Playoff Team around Fitz...It's just too big a hill for this Organization to climb right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Ha I laugh at that also. it sounds so devious. what a good line. Changing QB is the magic answer see Indy and Wash for references. The D was lights out yesterday, its a shame the good fitz is absent against a subpar colts D, but no ones surprised. Fitz is a good guy but hes a top 3 backup QB, not a starter. No shame in that game. Fitz has been brutal lately w the season on the line. Too much failure....lets cut the cord. Hmmm.... so you think just changing the QB is the answer? You do know there are about 100 people involved week in and week out and still you think the QB is the only problem. I have some waterfront land in Florida for sale, you interested? Which planet! Defense, lights out. Giving up 50% on 3rd downs and most of them of the 3rd and very long variety is not lights out to me. Kinda like you don't want just mediocre play from the QB, I don't want mediocre play from the defense once and a while. Edited November 27, 2012 by FreakPop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Hmmm.... so you think just changing the QB is the answer? You do know there are about 100 people involved week in and week out and still you think the QB is the only problem. I have some waterfront land in Florida for sale, you interested? Which planet! Defense, lights out. Giving up 50% on 3rd downs and most of them of the 3rd and very long variety is not lights out to me. Kinda like you don't want just mediocre play from the QB, I don't want mediocre play from the defense once and a while. The d was great on Sunday. No way for you to twist it. This is a league ran by qb's and offense and unfortunately we don't have one. Fitz is not a winner......let's move on. Your the one that doesn't see the whole picture, these skewed to your side stats about the "bad" defense that held luck to 13 pts is a little ridiculous. I'm worried about the qb who makes 3rd and 10 seem like 3rd and 30 every time......and while we're here lets bash ANOTHER 4th qtr int vs a terrible d.....I'm done w fitz and fitz convos he's just another trenative we will all forget soon enough........ I'm giving up the tired Fitztalk as he is a huge problem and will be gone soon hopefully. I see you acknowledged that at least so here's to a fitzless 2013. Hip hip hooray Edited November 27, 2012 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Like those cheerleaders did, so must Fitz. Shave off the (facial) hair. the beard serves hin NO luck or purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 The d was great on Sunday. No way for you to twist it. This is a league ran by qb's and offense and unfortunately we don't have one. Fitz is not a winner......let's move on. Your the one that doesn't see the whole picture, these skewed to your side stats about the "bad" defense that held luck to 13 pts is a little ridiculous. I'm giving up the tired Fitztalk as he is a huge problem and will be gone soon hopefully. Thank god as your myopic view is tired. Oh, by the way, if you think their defense was "Great" on sunday, your football IQ really has to be questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Thank god as your myopic view is tired. Oh, by the way, if you think their defense was "Great" on sunday, your football IQ really has to be questioned. 13 pts vs Andrew luck who beat green bay and hung 500 on Miami ? My football IQ is just fine sir. Maybe Mario should have went for 5 sacks 3's not good enough to impress Fitzpop ? Myopic view ? Look in the mirror your bashing the d cuz your man crush failed again. This is my last post your way ever as you have lost all credibility for this defense talk we are having right now. You sir are 100% wrong No convo can be had. Ignore status for you and enjoy watching fitz and his Arizona cardinals next year. Edited November 27, 2012 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This is a perfect example of how statistics can be misinterpreted to claim that a relationship exists, when in fact, it is not statistically significant. Inferring that Fitzpatrick is a more accurate quarterback than Manning, Stafford or Luck is laughable, and it fails to account for countless variables. First, you fail to account for the offense that the quarterback is in. With the Bills, Fitzpatrick is rarely asked to push the ball down the field, whereas with the Colts, Andrew Luck actually pushes the ball down the field quite regularly. Here is a link to Advanced NFL Stats, which is a site that calculates a statistic they call Air Yards per Attempt. According to their website, Air Yards are "the passing yards forward of the line of scrimmage in which the ball travels through the air. In other words, it is total passing yards minus any yards after catch (YAC) gained by the receiver." Is Fitz's (3.3) "AirYPA" signficantly different than Big Ben's (3.4) or Rivers's (3.6)? His "AirYards" stat is superior to Big Ben's and their YAC% is esentially the same. Russell Wilson is tied for first in the league for AirYPA. Fitz's percent of deep passes (> 15 yds) is 17.1, essentially the same as Brees, Ryan, Bradford, and more than RG3. Not saying Fitz is playing well. I think Dave Lee has really messed him up--there is no other obvious reason for his decline even from last year. It's the timing of Fitz's ints that have colored the discussion here, I think. ...AND IF ONLY THAT WERE THE SAME THING AS ACCURACY. OMG, Honestly. Just watch the man throw, please. He's above, behind, in the turf. He's innacurate as hell, even when the receiver catches the ball, they are often so contorted reaching for it, or slowed on a ball behind them, that they can't get the yards after catch they should be. He also is running a scheme designed by Gailey to throw a lot of short easy to complete passes with the field spread horizontally. Fitz has always had terrible accuracy, and sadly, despite having a coach brought in specifically to help is sorry mechanics, he's actually regressed this season. See the stats page above. Fitz's %YAC is second in the league for regular starters. His total YAC is 12th in the league--the same as Aaron Rodgers. The D was lights out yesterday, its a shame the good fitz is absent against a subpar colts D, but no ones surprised. Only if you compare their performance to their season in general. They allowed 8 3rd down conversions--several on 3rd and long. Receivers were left uncovered rountinely. They allowed 2 first downs and then a game ending PI on Indy's last drive. First I don't think Fitz mastered the NFL game either because he has no idea where a DB or Safety is cuz he throws right to them constantly.. Ok now let me ETHER this guy right quick... Theres nothing you can say after I say this that will make any kind of sense but im doing this cuz I feel you want this so here we go... How many playoff games has Fitz won? How many playoff games has Mike won.. #CHECKMATE #GAMEOVER.. *Waits to shake hands in middle of field* Why stop there? How many playoff games has Romo won? MAtt Ryan? But to answer your question, sicne 2004, Fitz has won the same numebr of playoff games as Vick. Enjoy your premature solo on field celebration, Leon Lett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 13 pts vs Andrew luck who beat green bay and hung 500 on Miami ? My football IQ is just fine sir. Maybe Mario should have went for 5 sacks 3's not good enough to impress Fitzpop ? Myopic view ? Look in the mirror your bashing the d cuz your man crush failed again. This is my last post your way ever as you have lost all credibility for this defense talk we are having right now. You sir are 100% wrong No convo can be had. Ignore status for you and enjoy watching fitz and his Arizona cardinals next year. Oh, you think you know, but you really have no idea. Nice try though. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 The d was great on Sunday. No way for you to twist it. This is a league ran by qb's and offense and unfortunately we don't have one. Fitz is not a winner......let's move on. Your the one that doesn't see the whole picture, these skewed to your side stats about the "bad" defense that held luck to 13 pts is a little ridiculous. I'm worried about the qb who makes 3rd and 10 seem like 3rd and 30 every time......and while we're here lets bash ANOTHER 4th qtr int vs a terrible d.....I'm done w fitz and fitz convos he's just another trenative we will all forget soon enough........ I'm giving up the tired Fitztalk as he is a huge problem and will be gone soon hopefully. I see you acknowledged that at least so here's to a fitzless 2013. Hip hip hooray Wast the D good enough to win on Sunday? Yes. Was it great? I think that's a stretch. Great defenses don't give up the kind of 3rd and long conversions like we did on Sunday. Chiefly, the 3rd and 17 to keep their TD drive alive, and the 3rd and nine when we had them pinned deep in their own end with over two minutes to go. I won't mention the 3rd and 10 PI call on Gilmore that very same series. Yes, our offense lost the game for us on Sunday. Horrendous play calling and below average QB play were the main reasons. But I can't be fooled into thinking that our defense played great. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Oh, you think you know, but you really have no idea. Nice try though. Next! Good one. Ignore is your new screen name though. Thanks for telling me I have no idea. Next ! Qb that is. Guess you won't have much to say in 2013 o guru of crappy qb's Look around genius read the op's post. This is about one sorry pickspatrick. Go start a defense sucks for giving up 13 pts thread if you would like. It'll be funny Edited November 27, 2012 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quester74 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well, Luck is in the bottom 4....but Fitz's completion percentage is right in th middle of all starters, ahead of E Manning, Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, Freeman,...... He has fewer ints than Romo, Rivers and Ryan. He has the same number of ints as E Manning and Culter, but more TDs than either of them. Just because a pass was completed, doesn't mean it was accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well, Luck is in the bottom 4....but Fitz's completion percentage is right in th middle of all starters, Seriously?!?!? Luck throws DEEP DOWNFIELD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Ok we can do this but I retired from talking about Mike cuz some are irrational.. Vick is atrocious cus he O-line couldn't stop a leaky facet with a plumber... Lets be honest about that (see Foles get blasted every snap)... His arm is there, still mobile but that doesn't matter if after you say HIKE the ghost of Junior Seau is in your face. Fitz has 3 years and still throws short.. I bet Mike makes those 2 sideline throws and if your honest with yourself you'll agree... Im going back into retirement on Mike comments... Dont go into retirement without this. If the Bills can get Vince Young and give him a chance why not the same with Vick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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