DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Living in Virginia I gotta admit that the northern part, meh. They can go ahead and join Maryland Living in Glorious People's Democratic Republic of Maryland, I gotta admit that the northern part of VA looks like a bunch of backwoods hicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Living in Glorious People's Democratic Republic of Maryland, I gotta admit that the northern part of VA looks like a bunch of backwoods hicks. sounds nice, can you recommend any hotels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Living in Glorious People's Democratic Republic of Maryland, I gotta admit that the northern part of VA looks like a bunch of backwoods hicks. From your beloved People's Democratic Republic... http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story Edited July 16, 2013 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 From your beloved People's Democratic Republic... http://www.baltimore...0,5135359.story I can't believe the police are profiling the attackers as "black." Haven't we learned anything from George Zimmerman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 sounds nice, can you recommend any hotels? Nothing in MD (my home state too unfortunately) or Virginia, but a great trip is close by, to Charles Town WV... It's hilarious in fact, since it's the closest casino to DC so you get the Obama loving crowd, mixed in with folks who belong on Duck Dynasty!! Great for people watching!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 So, is Winchester considered northern Virginia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 So, is Winchester considered northern Virginia? Depends on who you ask. On its narrowest definition, based on voting patterns, I'd say no. But the broadest consideration would be the greater DC statistical region, which would make it part of Northern Virginia. Mostly, I'd say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Wow. Even Howard Stern spewed it horribly this am. Robin, too. Stern is a democrat and anti gun. Robin is crazy. I cannot believe they are saying what the msm is saying and stuff from 2012... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Depends on who you ask. On its narrowest definition, based on voting patterns, I'd say no. But the broadest consideration would be the greater DC statistical region, which would make it part of Northern Virginia. Mostly, I'd say no. My comment had nothing to do with the discussion. I eloped with my first wife to that quaint little place and was married at a DJ there. My recollection is a little hazy, we took off from WNY late one evening and thought we could do it in Maryland. Even waited for the courthouse to open up and they promptly informed us that they had a waiting period. They did give us directions to Winchester though, and after 36 hours of awake time, we got hitched. Smartest decision, lacking critical thinking I ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The bumbling prosecution added the manslaughter as the case closed. What that means is that the prosecution did NOT set the case up as manslaughter, but instead spent the entire case trying to get at Zimmerman's frame of mind, which was required for Murder 2. The jury (probably) didn't buy that Zimmerman was a nutjob. I gotta tell you--if the prosecution doesn't prove what it spent 2 weeks trying to prove, adding a lesser charge at the 12th hour usually won't stick because the jury thinks the prosecution failed. Zimmerman was not stupid for calling the cops. He was stupid for leaving his car. He didn't have a duty to stay in his car. He did not have to listen to the dispatcher. He was just being dumb, but dumb doesn't equal murderer. Yep prosecution was poor, all starting with over charging and going down hill from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 My comment had nothing to do with the discussion. My apologies. Clearly it's entirely my fault for misunderstanding you were adding something to the discussion that had nothing to do with the discussion. Being a non-sequitur, I had no idea your non-sequitur was, in fact, a non-sequitur, and I am at fault for immediately jumping to the conclusion once again that you are, in fact, a nitwit. So please accept my apology in the spirit in which it is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) My apologies. Clearly it's entirely my fault for misunderstanding you were adding something to the discussion that had nothing to do with the discussion. Being a non-sequitur, I had no idea your non-sequitur was, in fact, a non-sequitur, and I am at fault for immediately jumping to the conclusion once again that you are, in fact, a nitwit. So please accept my apology in the spirit in which it is intended. I admitted that I wasn't adding anything that helped the discusson. You were proclaiming in your narrative that you were a big !@#$. Again. Edited July 16, 2013 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'm becoming immediately concerned that we've just seen an incredibly successful test balloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'm becoming immediately concerned that we've just seen an incredibly successful test balloon. What, 3rd's post? It wasn't that big a deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 What do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 A rare good article from Slate: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Almost every trending topic on twitter is about this again. Apparently some rioting in LA. DeDe interview on CNN, too - not sure how it really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 A rare good article from Slate: http://www.slate.com...rreactions.html That is a good article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 That is a good article ****. Well, then, it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 ****. Well, then, it sucks. If you want I'll find fault with it and you can call me an Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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....lybob Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 all activities not found suspicious by a reasonable person- walking in the rain, talking on a cell, carrying a bag from 7/11, looking around, looking at a person looking at you. examples of suspicious activities- carrying a tv down the street, standing on a garbage can to access a window, following a minor. verdict= Trayvon not engaged in suspicious activity. Clothes: what criminals may wear- Black hooded sweatshirt 2-3 sizes too big, black baggy pants, black sneakers/boots what Trayvon was wearing- dark grey hooded sweat shirt normal size, light color pants cuffed, white sneakers verdict = a reasonable person does not find that Trayvon looks suspicious by the clothes he wears. Time: break-ins happen when most people are at work 10am-3pm or when most people are asleep 12pm-5am Trayvon is out at 7pm virtually the worst time to commit a break-in. verdict = the hour that Trayvon is out can in noway be found suspicious by a reasonable person. Place: the community is not a specialized community- not restricted by age like a retirement community, by sex like a convent, by race, or by religion- Travyon is living there with his father verdict = no reasonable person could find that Trayvon was suspicious by just being there overall verdict= not suspicious by observed activity, not suspicious by dress, not suspicious by hour of the day, not suspicious by merely being there I think some here have a misconception of what racism is- some people think racism has to entail hatred but that is not true, racism is a form of prejudice, which is believing stereotypical qualities exist in a group whether reality based or imagined and acting on an assumption those qualities exist in an unknown member of that group. Thus Zimmerman doesn't have to have hatred towards blacks to be racist he merely has to have a belief of stereotypical qualities in a group (in this case something like black males age 15-55 have a high likelihood of engaging in criminal behavior ) and then act on a assumption that an unknown member of that group (Trayvon) shares that quality and is thus suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 This entire thread is somewhat off balance. This whole case and result is a commentary on society ills, economic and educational in particular. Most of the B&W issue is based on these problems in 2013. This is the same reaction to "if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit". I recall the exact reaction when OJ beat the "man". If this verdict comes out in January there are no protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 A rare good article from Slate: http://www.slate.com...rreactions.html And as always, the comments are far more illuminating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I can't believe the police are profiling the attackers as "black." Haven't we learned anything from George Zimmerman? It still amazes me - our local paper near refuses to give race on their stories about wanted criminals being urgently sought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The State Declines to Rest By Mark Steyn America — or, at any rate, its politico-media establishment — is apparently at ease with the notion that a “not guilty” verdict is no longer the end of the matter but merely the end of Round One, with civil suits, federal suits, and a war-crimes trial at the Hague still to come. But even so this seems a wee bit too far. Zimmerman’s prosecutor on CNN’s Headline News yesterday: How would Florida State Attorney Angela Corey describe George Zimmerman in one word? “Murderer.” That’s what an emotional Corey told HLN’s Vinnie Politan when he sat down with her and prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda in Jacksonville Monday to discuss the obstacles they faced prosecuting the former neighborhood watch captain. A Florida judge has told Zimmerman he has no further business before the court. A Florida jury has declared him not guilty — of murder, of manslaughter. There is something not only unseemly but quite disgraceful about state officials speaking with all the force of state power refusing to accept the judgment of their own legal system. Alan Dershowitz thinks Mr. Zimmerman should sue for defamation. Ms. Corey is certainly unfit for office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Really? How bout that? I thought he was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 WILLIAM SALETAN: You Are Not Trayvon Martin: His death wasn’t about race, guns, or your pet issue. It was about misjudgment and overreaction—exactly what we’re doing now to the verdict: It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It’s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist. It’s all agitprop for low-information voters.................................. If it damages the social fabric, so what? Power is all about power............................. Our political class has no sense of responsibility or shame. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Boy, that'll punish all those gun-totting white Hispanics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 things getting real now - stevie wonder just announced he wont play florida until SYG is abolished. Couldn't they just tell him he was in California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Couldn't they just tell him he was in California? i thought i was serving up a lot of material about justice being blind, but that will work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 WILLIAM SALETAN: You Are Not Trayvon Martin: His death wasn’t about race, guns, or your pet issue. It was about misjudgment and overreaction—exactly what we’re doing now to the verdict: It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It’s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist. It’s all agitprop for low-information voters.................................. If it damages the social fabric, so what? Power is all about power............................. Our political class has no sense of responsibility or shame. . Yeah, ....lybob commented on that article yesterday. It's still a stupid article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yeah, ....lybob commented on that article yesterday. It's still a stupid article. Tom and ...lybob sitting in a tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom? Stop thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Well that didn't take long.... George Zimmerman Trial Juror To Write Book another article - http://gawker.com/george-zimmerman-juror-b37-hates-media-called-trayvon-787873533 And now she's changed her mind. Someone probably mentioned she would have to go on a book signing tour. http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/07/16/juror-drops-plan-to-write-book-about-zimmerman-trial/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 And now she's changed her mind. Someone probably mentioned she would have to go on a book signing tour. http://blogs.wsj.com...immerman-trial/ Well after Roddy White told her she should hang herself, maybe she had a change of heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was thinking about the evidence and it occured to me.... Zimmerman walked 100ft from his car, Martin walked 400ft from his dad's house; who really followed whom? You don't get it, do you?. Zimmerman had no legal right to walk in his neighborhood. He had an obligation to drive his car across the lawns of his neighbors and he neglected that responsibility which forced Travon Obama to punch him. It's all common cents like when a woman is being assaulted, beaten and raped. She can't shoot the rapist if she gets ahold of a gun - especially if is she owns the gun. She's got to take what's being dished out and then call the cops who will examine the length of her skirt, her makeup, and her past sexual activity to determine if she was asking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Stop thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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