Captain Hindsight Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Who will it be? Last year it was Cam Newton, This year it was Luck who has recently been replaced by RG. A few years ago it was Tebow and who could forget Reggie Bush. Who will it be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Who will it be? Last year it was Cam Newton, This year it was Luck who has recently been replaced by RG. A few years ago it was Tebow and who could forget Reggie Bush. Who will it be next year? I might point out that most of these "once in a...." Are rarely duplicated. If you think anyone next year will have the skill set of RG3, I'd love to hear who. There will definitely be good players with more common skill sets (numerous guys might fit the stafford, Matt Ryan type top 5 pedigree, which can be fantastic) but yes, it does make sense that unique skill sets show up annually which I think your trying to discredit Edited March 1, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Won't be once in a generation per say, but the best player in the draft will be Matt Barkley / QB/ USC. And I'd take Barkley over Luck or RGIII personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Or maybe Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedGame Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Not to be a Negative Nancy, but a "once-in-a-generation player" comes along...well, once in a generation. Not every year. By listing the best player from each of the last few years, you're listing that year's best player, not a once-in-a-generation player. Every year has a "best player." And about RGIII...he's got great skills, but that doesn't make him once-in-a-generation. It makes him talented. The man crushes about RGIII on this board are over the top. Let's not anoint him an Epic Athlete until he proves himself exceedingly superior to anyone who plays his position. So far, he's just a talented Heisman winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ok, so people said last year at this time that Cam could never be repeated, and that Luck was so far ahead of anyone else playing quaterback in this year's draft, but then Griffen comes along... I mean, I think the point of the OP was to point out that each year people find a prospect who is just so talented that their skill set will not be seen or matched for quite some time, but in reality we find someone each year to say that about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Not to be a Negative Nancy, but a "once-in-a-generation player" comes along...well, once in a generation. Not every year. By listing the best player from each of the last few years, you're listing that year's best player, not a once-in-a-generation player. Every year has a "best player." And about RGIII...he's got great skills, but that doesn't make him once-in-a-generation. It makes him talented. The man crushes about RGIII on this board are over the top. Let's not anoint him an Epic Athlete until he proves himself exceedingly superior to anyone who plays his position. So far, he's just a talented Heisman winner. When you find a qb that runs a 4.35 and can throw the ball, and has a head for the game I'll buy what your saying. Doesn't mean rg3 will be a HOF player but it's certainly not something you have a shot at annually. Some talents are more common, albeit very successful still. No one would call stafford once in a generation as several guys have similar raw talents - he's the prototype if you will. Next year you will likely find a few qbs that will be good NFL stars. If you want a guy that has the raw talents of am rg3 it'll be years. Who was the last? Vick with a good head? Probably have to go back to Steve young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Ok, so people said last year at this time that Cam could never be repeated, and that Luck was so far ahead of anyone else playing quaterback in this year's draft, but then Griffen comes along... I mean, I think the point of the OP was to point out that each year people find a prospect who is just so talented that their skill set will not be seen or matched for quite some time, but in reality we find someone each year to say that about. A new record for TBD only took 5 posts to realize the sarcasm. Thanks cinch Every year its someone else. No one talked about Mario Williams. It was Either Leinart, Vince Young or Reggie bush. All are with their second teams. There is absolutely no guarantee about any of these guys and clearly only 2 good players in every single draft (thats why they have 7 rounds) I'm wondering who we would pass over next year when we trade our whole draft for X player? Edited March 1, 2012 by Captain Hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) I might point out that most of these "once in a...." Are rarely duplicated. If you think anyone next year will have the skill set of RG3, I'd love to hear who. There will definitely be good players with more common skill sets (numerous guys might fit the stafford, Matt Ryan type top 5 pedigree, which can be fantastic) but yes, it does make sense that unique skill sets show up annually which I think your trying to discredit A new record for TBD only took 5 posts to realize the sarcasm. Thanks cinch Every year its someone else. No one talked about Mario Williams. It was Either Leinart, Vince Young or Reggie bush. All are with their second teams. There is absolutely no guarantee about any of these guys and clearly only 2 good players in every single draft (thats why they have 7 rounds) I'm wondering who we would pass over next year when we trade our whole draft for X player? Actually, No Saint had you pegged in the very first reply. And there was a lot of talk about Mario Williams before the draft. Edited March 1, 2012 by Marauder24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 just for balance, I think that "once in a generation" is usually applied to position. So its not inconsistent to have a once in a generation running back, then next year a once in a generation quarterback. But still, your point is well taken. And looking back, I cant see any players in the NFL right now who, in "Hindsight" (if i may) is really once in a generation, except maybe Payton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Actually, No Saint had you pegged in the very first reply. And there was a lot of talk about Mario Williams before the draft. It appears he did... Sorry very frustrated but all this didn't read it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 How is Cam Newton a once in a generation player? That's not determined in a single season. He accounts for about 75% of his team's offense. The consensus on this board is that a franchise guy... and certainly a generation guy would launce his team into the promised land immediately. Well, conventional wisdom might be that 6-10 is not what one would expect. Perhaps 10-6 or better. And, If I'd have said that the Bills starting QB would pass for over 4,000 yards and would rush for an additional 700 yds, what would you have guessed that their record would be? 6-10? I think this year, and true of a lot of players, not just Cam... is, there was no offseason and not your typical preseason. Players and teams with new and dynamic coaches or players, especially Cam, benefitted by opponents having very little, or nothing, to base their scouting and game planning of a player. Basically not much of a database or catalogue of how he'd be utilized, what his tendencies are, and how to exploit his weaknesses. Yes he had a good year. And, he will be scrutinized, and gameplanned for, relentlessly in 2012. I think then we'll have a better indication of where he might be slotted as a player. Now everyone is saying RGIII is the next once in a generation player. When it comes to QBs, the great ones have one thing in common... they get rid of the ball quickly and to the right player at the right time. They are able to do that because they are extremely intelligent and process information on the field in a nanosecond. It's the great equalizer when arm strength isn't at the top of the chart. I don't see RGIII or Cam Newton demonstrating any of that. They are phenominal athletes with great physical gifts, and for every Cam and RGIII, there is a Vince Young and JeMarcus Russell. And, Michael Vick, as physically gifted as he is and even playing on a team that the pundits had going all the way to Indy this past year, he wasn't much of a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) How is Cam Newton a once in a generation player? That's not determined in a single season. He accounts for about 75% of his team's offense. The consensus on this board is that a franchise guy... and certainly a generation guy would launce his team into the promised land immediately. Well, conventional wisdom might be that 6-10 is not what one would expect. Perhaps 10-6 or better. And, If I'd have said that the Bills starting QB would pass for over 4,000 yards and would rush for an additional 700 yds, what would you have guessed that their record would be? 6-10? I think this year, and true of a lot of players, not just Cam... is, there was no offseason and not your typical preseason. Players and teams with new and dynamic coaches or players, especially Cam, benefitted by opponents having very little, or nothing, to base their scouting and game planning of a player. Basically not much of a database or catalogue of how he'd be utilized, what his tendencies are, and how to exploit his weaknesses. Yes he had a good year. And, he will be scrutinized, and gameplanned for, relentlessly in 2012. I think then we'll have a better indication of where he might be slotted as a player. Now everyone is saying RGIII is the next once in a generation player. When it comes to QBs, the great ones have one thing in common... they get rid of the ball quickly and to the right player at the right time. They are able to do that because they are extremely intelligent and process information on the field in a nanosecond. It's the great equalizer when arm strength isn't at the top of the chart. I don't see RGIII or Cam Newton demonstrating any of that. They are phenominal athletes with great physical gifts, and for every Cam and RGIII, there is a Vince Young and JeMarcus Russell. And, Michael Vick, as physically gifted as he is and even playing on a team that the pundits had going all the way to Indy this past year, he wasn't much of a factor. Again with the rg3, mike Vick and Jamarcus Russell trio. This board loves pairing black qbs. Vick weighs like 210 soaking wet while Jamarcus was playing at about 270. Good observation - black qbs come out more often than once a generation. Edited March 1, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 My vote would be for Marcus Lattimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I might point out that most of these "once in a...." Are rarely duplicated. If you think anyone next year will have the skill set of RG3, I'd love to hear who. There will definitely be good players with more common skill sets (numerous guys might fit the stafford, Matt Ryan type top 5 pedigree, which can be fantastic) but yes, it does make sense that unique skill sets show up annually which I think your trying to discredit They said that last year about Newton...then along comes RG3 out of nowhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 They said that last year about Newton...then along comes RG3 out of nowhere... Rg3 is 30-40 lbs lighter, and .2-.3 faster in the 40. There is overlap but both are a bit unique. They also seem to have very different personas. Not generally carbon copies, though similar systems would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This board loves pairing black qbs. splain me. is there a white, hispanic, asian, russian, or scandinavian qb that we could pair up the athletic abilties with the three you mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) splain me. is there a white, hispanic, asian, russian, or scandinavian qb that we could pair up the athletic abilties with the three you mention? Steve young would be a good rg3? You compared a guy that's 270+ and runs a 4.8+ at his peak to a guy that's 220 and runs a 4.3 as similar athletes. You compared a guy with military discipline to a convicted felon in Vick and a guy that ran himself out of the league while gambling and seemingly dealing drugs in JR. What are the similarities you see on film between rg3, and Jamarcus? Edited March 1, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 splain me. is there a white, hispanic, asian, russian, or scandinavian qb that we could pair up the athletic abilties with the three you mention? Steve young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Steve young Who, and this is core to my point, has little to nothing shared with Russell or Vince etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I don't get the knocks on Luck. It's as if knocking him has become the new trend. That guy is great, and will better than all of the guys named above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Margus Hunt DE 6'8" 295 SMU “I thought he was a freak of nature,” Jones said of that day in spring 2009. “He couldn’t even get in a three-point stance to run the 40 and he still ran a 4.67 or something like that. And I was going, ‘you got to be kidding.’ He’s 285 pounds and 6-7. He’s an interesting kid.” He’s become a lot more than just interesting. In just his third season of playing the game, Hunt already is in the NCAA football record book. Listed at 6-8, he’s used his long frame and uncanny hand-eye coordination to block eight [now 9] field goal tries in his 30-game college career. That ties the college football record and he’s got plenty of time to get the mark and extend it. He’s also swatted away six extra point tries. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/smu-mustangs/20110922-eastern-block-why-smu-s-margus-hunt-is-the-best-kick-blocker-in-the-country.ece Got 4 sacks Vs Pitt in bowl game here is two of his sacks from that game (#92) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I might point out that most of these "once in a...." Are rarely duplicated. If you think anyone next year will have the skill set of RG3, I'd love to hear who. There will definitely be good players with more common skill sets (numerous guys might fit the stafford, Matt Ryan type top 5 pedigree, which can be fantastic) but yes, it does make sense that unique skill sets show up annually which I think your trying to discredit To be honest, if anyone asked me last year at this time if there was anyone next year who will have Newton's skill set (or similar), I would not have mentioned RG3. He was off the radar. Margus Hunt DE 6'8" 295 SMU Melik Hunt has a better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 To be honest, if anyone asked me last year at this time if there was anyone next year who will have Newton's skill set (or similar), I would not have mentioned RG3. He was off the radar. Melik Hunt has a better chance. yea because Melik is an Olympic athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Actually Cam Newton was never touted as anything approaching a "once in a generation" type player. He was viewed as a physical freak but it seemed that most people had legitimate concerns about his character. Others questioned his ability to throw the ball with accuracy while yet others doubted his ability to run a pro offense. Cam Newton was actually viewed as a huge question mark by many people including guys whose job it is to publicly evaluate draft-eligible players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Or maybe Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma. Or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 How is Cam Newton a once in a generation player? That's not determined in a single season. He accounts for about 75% of his team's offense. The consensus on this board is that a franchise guy... and certainly a generation guy would launce his team into the promised land immediately. Well, conventional wisdom might be that 6-10 is not what one would expect. Perhaps 10-6 or better. And, If I'd have said that the Bills starting QB would pass for over 4,000 yards and would rush for an additional 700 yds, what would you have guessed that their record would be? 6-10? I think this year, and true of a lot of players, not just Cam... is, there was no offseason and not your typical preseason. Players and teams with new and dynamic coaches or players, especially Cam, benefitted by opponents having very little, or nothing, to base their scouting and game planning of a player. Basically not much of a database or catalogue of how he'd be utilized, what his tendencies are, and how to exploit his weaknesses. Yes he had a good year. And, he will be scrutinized, and gameplanned for, relentlessly in 2012. I think then we'll have a better indication of where he might be slotted as a player. Now everyone is saying RGIII is the next once in a generation player. When it comes to QBs, the great ones have one thing in common... they get rid of the ball quickly and to the right player at the right time. They are able to do that because they are extremely intelligent and process information on the field in a nanosecond. It's the great equalizer when arm strength isn't at the top of the chart. I don't see RGIII or Cam Newton demonstrating any of that. They are phenominal athletes with great physical gifts, and for every Cam and RGIII, there is a Vince Young and JeMarcus Russell. And, Michael Vick, as physically gifted as he is and even playing on a team that the pundits had going all the way to Indy this past year, he wasn't much of a factor. Lead his team to 10-6 like Peyton manning and Troy aikman did in their first season right? Carolina picked 1st overall because they were the worst team in the nfl. This year, that same team that finished last, lost their 2 of their best players on defense for the season due to injury. Now they finish 6-10. Pretty good IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Who will it be? Last year it was Cam Newton, This year it was Luck who has recently been replaced by RG. A few years ago it was Tebow and who could forget Reggie Bush. Who will it be next year? So who was the once in a generation QB of the most recent generation? Favre, Brady or Manning? If a player like RG3 appears EVERY year it is still far too seldom. Unless QB's start having 30 year careers. And while RG3 is shorter than ideal and can run, his style of running is different than Young who ran like a power back and he is far less mechanical as a passer than Young. The biggest question with RG3 is can he hold up to the punishment, but QB's don't take the beating they used to so he probably can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 If there is a supposed "once in a generation" player in every draft, most of them obviously fall short. Andrew Luck is that player this draft, even though RGIII has taken some of the shine off Luck. I'm one of the biggest Cam Newton fans here, but even after his great rookie season his generational status, if you want to call it that, is still up in the air. Thinking back as far as I can, the only guys I can think of that have lived up to the "once in a generation" hype have been P. Manning, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Tyler Wilson, QB Arkansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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