Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Saw this and wanted to offer this up to the masses on the board.... My sentiments have changed as to who to blame for this mess and was last on the players for decertifying and walking away. But after reading this and recallign the mess that the idiot in Charlotte started by belittling Manning and Brees and the players...then seeing Jerrah do this...I would have told them to F off too... jerk in Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Saw this and wanted to offer this up to the masses on the board.... My sentiments have changed as to who to blame for this mess and was last on the players for decertifying and walking away. But after reading this and recallign the mess that the idiot in Charlotte started by belittling Manning and Brees and the players...then seeing Jerrah do this...I would have told them to F off too... jerk in Dallas I enjoy watching football players play the game of football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 It is hard to know if this report is accurate. Aside from this incident I see Jerry ruining the NFL for the average fan. His Taj Mahal of a stadium and pricing practices make it nearly impossible for the average family to attend games. There is a loss of understanding that the community also has a stake in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 you do realize that this mess really dates back to 2006 and jerry richardson trying to explain the P&Ls probably has very little to do with anything when push comes to. if its bad enough that a dirty look or frustrated comment is going to throw a billion dollar negotiation from productive to a nosedive out of control spiral then no one at the table deserves the money they are debating anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Meh. With millionaire players like Adrian Peterson bringing up divisive terms like "slavery", there is plenty of blame to go around for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Siding with either group is a hard pill to swallow but I can't in any way, shape or form side with the owners. Greedy, selfish and arrogant. I wish the govt would step in and stop allowing the NFL to have special rules for how it deals with players that most other business don't. They get to act like one league but then owners in big markets whine about helping small markets. You can't have it both ways. And save your "draped in the flag" FoxNews rhetoric about how this is American and freedoma and liberty shall prevail and business should have no regulations. That's fine if you believe that but as soon as you take a nickel or taxpayer dollars to help finance anything you should prove the need. Open your books Jerry Jones and show the taxpayers of Dallas why you "needed" $300M in PUBLIC tax dollars to help with your stadium financing? What other bank doesn't require financial statements be provided when seeking loans or breaks? None. So why is the NFl exempt when they're taking our money.... that include RW. The bottomline is, Jones and the other highly debted teams WANT, not need, WANT, more profit because they're so in debt from stadium financing. Making it worse, they build new stadiums on taxpayer dollars to sell highly priced suites to businesses who right them off as expenses on their taxes and the government loses out there as well. Any suggestion that the owners are the ones gambling and taking the risk and therefore should be rewarded as such is BS. Risk is spending every last nickel YOU have to build a stadium. Risk is pushing all YOUR chips to the center and building something from scratch. Risk is not using taxpayer dollars to increase your profit because you don't want to spend your own money to support your own business. What the NFL is engaged in is corporate welfare. It's socialized debt for privatized profit. But its America and private business is allowed to do that in the name of freedom, liberty and the flag but any redistribution of money to individuals is socialism. What's next, the Republican National Committee charging for the rights to broadcast its presidential nomination debates as a means to get the party out of campaign debt. That would never happen, the RNC is the fiscal powerhouse in this country, they don't run into debt, in fact, they know all the ways to stay out of debt and make profit. And because they're such principled individuals, they'd pay off their own debt, right? And those seeking office would want to get their message out to people by using network television as a means to freely broadcast to the most people possible because it's their obligation to explain to us why they should be elected and the onus and incentive is on them to tell us, not the obligation of us to pay them to tell us though our cable bills. Stupid. This country is dumber by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Jerrah is an ass. The thread title should read per SI, they deserve the 'credit', not pft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 It is hard to know if this report is accurate. Aside from this incident I see Jerry ruining the NFL for the average fan. His Taj Mahal of a stadium and pricing practices make it nearly impossible for the average family to attend games. There is a loss of understanding that the community also has a stake in the team. Other than time warp places like Buffalo with its $40 ticket prices, the NFL has already been ruined for the average family. That ship sailed many years ago. Where the heck have you been? Football is a great TV game, I just watch on TV. Too many drunken 20-something animals in the stadium these days. If you pay $100 for a ticket, you are making it Mardi Gras. In Buffalo, its Mardi Gras with a $40 ticket. Well, actually Animal House. Which is fine, but I'm not 25 anymore. And I have to have a brain on Monday morning, unlike most NFL stadium goers (especially in Buffalo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Other than time warp places like Buffalo with its $40 ticket prices, the NFL has already been ruined for the average family. That ship sailed many years ago. Where the heck have you been? Football is a great TV game, I just watch on TV. Too many drunken 20-something animals in the stadium these days. If you pay $100 for a ticket, you are making it Mardi Gras. In Buffalo, its Mardi Gras with a $40 ticket. Well, actually Animal House. Which is fine, but I'm not 25 anymore. And I have to have a brain on Monday morning, unlike most NFL stadium goers (especially in Buffalo). Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Saw this and wanted to offer this up to the masses on the board.... My sentiments have changed as to who to blame for this mess and was last on the players for decertifying and walking away. But after reading this and recallign the mess that the idiot in Charlotte started by belittling Manning and Brees and the players...then seeing Jerrah do this...I would have told them to F off too... jerk in Dallas easy breezy lemon cheesey. side with the players or owners if you want, but take a look at the article. Several anonymous tipsters quoted Jerry Jones exactly the same way? And don't forget the part where the author covers needed ground....If this is accurate... I read somewhere that Tom Brady said "We're going to burn this motha to the ground...". I got to thinking, if what I heard is accurate, it spells trouble for us all. I don't doubt JJ would say something like this, I think he's an arrogant man, but I never discount the potential agenda of the tipster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 also, i dont know why a comment like this decides which side anyone is on. the issues being negotiated are the same this week as they were last week - regardless of if jerry is a nice guy or not. if who you like more is the deciding factor, your opinion on the issues matter litte. jerry being pissy as what sounds like a pure tactic of good cop bad cop in the room doesnt really sway me as much as the actual matters on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I still side with the Owners on this one. Jerry Jones spent 1 Billion dollars of his own money (or financed it against himself/his cowboys) to build a football Mecca. That is a HUGE investment and risk. When you figure it is not too hard to get a 10% return with dollar amounts of that size, Jerry is probably looking for annual revenue exceeding 100 million dollars. That seems large but considering his Stadium cost him 1 billion and his team alone is worth another 700 million, That’s a pretty weak ROI (less than 6% using those values) People just don’t get that rich by happenstance. Billionaires cant just turn off their money-hungry mentality. Im sure Jerry and the rest of the NFL want realized returns in line with other investments they could be raking in – but instead decided to buy an NFL team. Add in the fact that a lot of government funding for stadiums has evaporated (as it should have btw) the NFL is looking at building their own stadiums with league money, and the Owners want the players to pay for it. Seriously, let the players go find other jobs. The Owners could take all their money and invest it elsewhere. They wouldn’t miss a beat and the NFL players would be dead broke. The US court system wont rule the NFL in violation of any anti trust laws because sports have long been exempt of those laws – going back a hundred years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I still side with the Owners on this one. Jerry Jones spent 1 Billion dollars of his own money (or financed it against himself/his cowboys) to build a football Mecca. That is a HUGE investment and risk. When you figure it is not too hard to get a 10% return with dollar amounts of that size, Jerry is probably looking for annual revenue exceeding 100 million dollars. That seems large but considering his Stadium cost him 1 billion and his team alone is worth another 700 million, That’s a pretty weak ROI (less than 6% using those values) People just don’t get that rich by happenstance. Billionaires cant just turn off their money-hungry mentality. Im sure Jerry and the rest of the NFL want realized returns in line with other investments they could be raking in – but instead decided to buy an NFL team. Add in the fact that a lot of government funding for stadiums has evaporated (as it should have btw) the NFL is looking at building their own stadiums with league money, and the Owners want the players to pay for it. Seriously, let the players go find other jobs. The Owners could take all their money and invest it elsewhere. They wouldn’t miss a beat and the NFL players would be dead broke. The US court system wont rule the NFL in violation of any anti trust laws because sports have long been exempt of those laws – going back a hundred years. heres roughly why i think they dont want to open the books -- de smith: but you made money all these years Owners: but we are expecting to pay for our own stadiums in the future tax payers: you said it and we never want to give you money again! where as if they can just get things going and save that money just in case, they can easily put it in their pockets if the economy comes around, and still get taxpayers to pay. if they dont get that taxpayer support they are already prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CosmicBills Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I still side with the Owners on this one. Jerry Jones spent 1 Billion dollars of his own money (or financed it against himself/his cowboys) to build a football Mecca. That is a HUGE investment and risk. When you figure it is not too hard to get a 10% return with dollar amounts of that size, Jerry is probably looking for annual revenue exceeding 100 million dollars. That seems large but considering his Stadium cost him 1 billion and his team alone is worth another 700 million, That’s a pretty weak ROI (less than 6% using those values) People just don’t get that rich by happenstance. Billionaires cant just turn off their money-hungry mentality. Im sure Jerry and the rest of the NFL want realized returns in line with other investments they could be raking in – but instead decided to buy an NFL team. Add in the fact that a lot of government funding for stadiums has evaporated (as it should have btw) the NFL is looking at building their own stadiums with league money, and the Owners want the players to pay for it. Seriously, let the players go find other jobs. The Owners could take all their money and invest it elsewhere. They wouldn’t miss a beat and the NFL players would be dead broke. The US court system wont rule the NFL in violation of any anti trust laws because sports have long been exempt of those laws – going back a hundred years. That's an awfully big assumption you're making. Perhaps you're not familiar with the history of the US Judiciary system ... If I were an owner right now, I'd be praying that a compromise is reached before the courts have a chance to interfere with how I run my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 That's an awfully big assumption you're making. Perhaps you're not familiar with the history of the US Judiciary system ... If I were an owner right now, I'd be praying that a compromise is reached before the courts have a chance to interfere with how I run my business. they won't have much to worry about when their decertification is rightfully declared a sham. funny how lots of players are almost backpedaling because the case is going infront of a judge that's not in their back pocket. The NFLPA will break and come crawling back to the table before long. The owners can much more easily wait this one out. The players are going to learn the hard way that you never get involved in a long, drawn out battle with someone that has 1000x more whatever (money, troops, etc) than you do. You'll always lose. Of course, this mess could have been avoided had the NFLPA not hired an ignorant douchebag (De Smith) as their head. He's the real problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 I really find them both to blame... The owners gave up too sweet of a deal back in 2006, opted out and the players were basically on notice from that point forward that the owners were gonna want $$ back. As someone else noted, with our current ecomic situation, the tax payers are even more unwilling/unable to pay for upgraded stadiums; let alone stadiums that the average family is becoming very difficult for them to afford. This was never going be an easy or simple negotiation, especially when the players are being asked to give $$ back. So you add insults from people like Richardson initially and Jones saying this on the last day...way to add fuel to the fire. IIRC at the end of the article the players were willing to give ~$140 million over the $1 billion w/o financial statements. Elsewhere it's been reported the owners offered to split a difference and make it ~$325 million...a counter offer to beidge the gap between the $140 and $325 might have gotten it done...The league backed off the 18 game schedule, gave concessions on health care and off season and training camp practices...it seemes progress was being made and the sides were coming together...comments like this is enough to make the players say you know what, you're an !@#$...we can't really trust you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 they won't have much to worry about when their decertification is rightfully declared a sham. funny how lots of players are almost backpedaling because the case is going infront of a judge that's not in their back pocket. The NFLPA will break and come crawling back to the table before long. The owners can much more easily wait this one out. The players are going to learn the hard way that you never get involved in a long, drawn out battle with someone that has 1000x more whatever (money, troops, etc) than you do. You'll always lose. Of course, this mess could have been avoided had the NFLPA not hired an ignorant douchebag (De Smith) as their head. He's the real problem here. i really do despise de smith, and think if you take him out of the equation its very possible that the players and owners would have reached an agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Anyone who believes that a "hand gesture" by Jones had anything at all to do with the decertification is clueless of all events surounding this showdown. The union's plan, from the very beginning, was to decertify and sue. Their actions point only to this conclusion. They walked away from a pretty good deal, they kept saying they wanted to "see the books" even after they were given unprecedented access to team financial records (that no other owners had seen before), they decertified before the expiration of the CBA and before the lockout--all so the case would remain in the court of that nice Judge Doty. Their plan was always to force a court decision so they wouldn't be bound by collective bargaining. Now they are stuck only with an overreaching lawsuit that seeks to "change the way the NFL does business" and perhaps end the anti-trust protection the league now enjoys. THAT would destroy the league as we know it. THAT would turn the NFL into MLB--no cap, no national TV for the league as a whole. THAT would spell the end for teams that don't have a wide geographic following, like the Bills. All of this would be on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 they won't have much to worry about when their decertification is rightfully declared a sham. funny how lots of players are almost backpedaling because the case is going infront of a judge that's not in their back pocket. The NFLPA will break and come crawling back to the table before long. The owners can much more easily wait this one out. The players are going to learn the hard way that you never get involved in a long, drawn out battle with someone that has 1000x more whatever (money, troops, etc) than you do. You'll always lose. Of course, this mess could have been avoided had the NFLPA not hired an ignorant douchebag (De Smith) as their head. He's the real problem here. Why the heck do you continue to beat the decertification as a shame (ploy maybe, sham not so much), while ignoring the lockout preparations the owners made over years ago in their last TV deals? You sound like a Fox News man.....one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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