Big Ben - Pitt Listening to Offers

[filthymcnasty08]

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Have fun Bills fans.....don't shoot the messenger

 

 

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[DDD]

I don't know Mark Miller but he clearly is full of crap.

[DarthICE]

I don't know Mark Miller but he clearly is full of crap.

 

 

You dont' know much about their owners do you? They put more of an imporance on Character than anything and this is twice now his ass has embarrassed the franchise.

 

Someone offers enough, he will be traded, you can bet on that.

[Lurker]

If you want to send a message, use Charles Robinson, apparently....

[dailar]

so conflicted. Would love to see a player of his ability here but I dont think I can handle routing for him.

[VADC Bills]

You dont' know much about their owners do you? They put more of an imporance on Character than anything and this is twice now his ass has embarrassed the franchise.

 

Someone offers enough, he will be traded, you can bet on that.

Everyone has their price but this won't happen.

How else do you put a scare in Ben's arrogant a$$.

I'd bet my empty wallet on it.

[lets_go_bills]

As much as we need a QB, I don't think we'd trade for Big Ben. We would have the same character concerns that Pitt has about him.

 

Apparently, Ben is a jerk and some guys in the locker room do not like him. He's also immature. Why he feels the need to roll out with a goon squad of security to college frat parties is beyond me. He's a party animal and a freaking lightning rod for negative attention.

 

While one could argue this could be a wake up call for him, (and it should be seeing how he narrowly avoided rape charges), and that a change of scenery may serve him well, he's still a risky player to take a chance on. He plays the premier position in sports, makes a lot of money and it would be a high cost to compensate Pitt for his services.

 

He's talented, no doubt, and those two rings stand for something. But Ben has some serious problems and it would be hard to cheer for a morally corrupted individual such as him. But I do believe people can change. Who knows, maybe Dungy can intervene and help him before it's too late and he becomes the next Michael Vick.

[VABills]

You dont' know much about their owners do you? They put more of an imporance on Character than anything and this is twice now his ass has embarrassed the franchise.

 

Someone offers enough, he will be traded, you can bet on that.

So I guess they wouldn't take Lynch, Hardy and Whitner for Big Ben.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

While highly unlikely, don't be totally surprised if a Ben trade happened. I live in Pittsburgh, and since the Georgia DA gave the details of the events, I'd say the overwhelming majority of Steelers fans who have called in to various talk radio shows (both news based shows and sports talk shows) either support, or could live with a Roethlisberger trade. No team official has yet to come out and publicly support Ben. A local company pulled a sponsorship deal. Last night, at a highly visible dinner where he was awarded "Citizen of the Year", Steeler's owner Dan Rooney (also US Ambassador to Ireland) said he had no comment when asked if he supported Ben. The fact that he offered absolutely no inkling of support for Roethlisberger speaks volumes. He is considered one of the beloved and respected men in Pittsburgh. (A year ago when the Vegas scandal came out, Rooney and Tomlin were present and supportive when Ben held his press conference on that incident).

 

I said in a post yesterday that as much as Bills fans bleed red, white and blue, Steelers fans devotion to the team (as opposed to any player) is remarkable. The City paints the friggin' fire hydrants black and gold! Ben has embarrassed the Rooney's, the Steelers and the City of Pittsburgh. The fans here are not stupid. They know a QB with Ben's talents are rare, but the vast majority of Pittsburghers have enough personal and civic pride that they currently find the thought of this guy being the face of the Steelers and the City nauseating. Local Steeler sports columnists have said over the past few days that the possibility of trading Roethlisberger, while unthinkable even this past weekend, is now something the Steelers are, and should be considering.

 

Even before this latest scandal, Roethlisberger was regarding as an arrogant jerk by many who had come in contact with him. Since the Georgia story first broke, there have been almost daily stories emerging of local encounters where the guy came off as borish, arrogant or rude. Obviously, winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 years bought him a lot of acceptance. But most people were fine seperating Ben the jerk, from Ben the Super Bowl winning QB. With the exception of the most die-hard Steeler fans and Ben supporters, this latest episode and the graphic details that came out have eroded people's willingness to compartmentalize the QB vs. the Jerk (and possible rapist). His demeanor and appearance (greasy mullet / golf shirt) at his statement Tuesday night was viewed by many as indicative that he still does not get it. (He apparently got it before meeting with Goodell yesterday as he was sporting a new suit and haircut less than 12 hours later).

 

Again, I don't think it will happen. But in the best interest of the Bills, I have been quietly pushing a "BANISH BEN TO BUFFALO" trade rumor. Some will ask what's the difference between Ben being the face of the Bills and the face of the Steelers. It' simple - the Bills have done enough to embarrass themselves the past 10 years. They have also been willing to deviate from their "character guy" philosophy on lesser talents. My feeling is if they're going to go for a guy with character issues, go for a franchise QB like Ben. (If it were to happen, I would just make sure my sister and nieces stay away from any of the places he is likely to hang out).

 

Reality check - when the commotion dies down, the Steelers will most likely come to that same conclusion and Ben won't be going anywhere.

[stuckincincy]

I said in a post yesterday that as much as Bills fans bleed red, white and blue, Steelers fans devotion to the team (as opposed to any player) is remarkable. The City paints the friggin' fire hydrants black and gold!

 

Right you are - I lived in SW PA for 11 years.

[kota]

Offer up our first round draft pick for him.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

Offer up our first round draft pick for him.

 

The rumblings here are that it would take two first rounders (or a first rounder and a first round caliber player) for any serious consideration to begin. In my opinion, if I'm the Steelers, that makes sense.

 

One experienced 2 time Super Bowl winning QB age 28 /in his prime = at least 2 first round players

[JPS]

Right you are - I lived in SW PA for 11 years.

Mark Miller? Whatever.

 

Hey...Jim Kelly was no prince when in his prime. Granted, he was no rapist, but he possessed the "earned arrogance" of any great athlete. You can't put them up on that pedestal his whole life, give him a different set of rules because he can chuck it 70 yards and then ask him to play checkers in the park. Obey the law. Win games. If he ruffles a few feathers along the way, it will all be forgotten.

[saundena]

So I guess they wouldn't take Lynch, Hardy and Whitner for Big Ben.

 

Correct, but if we still had Ko "I'm with the Buffalo Bills and I'm worth millions" Simpson, they would prolly accept!

[stuckincincy]

Mark Miller? Whatever.

 

Hey...Jim Kelly was no prince when in his prime. Granted, he was no rapist, but he possessed the "earned arrogance" of any great athlete. You can't put them up on that pedestal his whole life, give him a different set of rules because he can chuck it 70 yards and then ask him to play checkers in the park. Obey the law. Win games. If he ruffles a few feathers along the way, it will all be forgotten.

 

???

 

I was just commenting on the Steelers' fans and their ardor for their team.

[LongLiveRalph]

The rumblings here are that it would take two first rounders (or a first rounder and a first round caliber player) for any serious consideration to begin. In my opinion, if I'm the Steelers, that makes sense.

 

One experienced 2 time Super Bowl winning QB age 28 /in his prime = at least 2 first round players

 

No doubt. #9 pick overall and former 1st-rounder Lynch sounds good to me.

 

Plus Ben is used to getting sacked (47 in '07, 46 in '08, 50 in '09) so he will feel right at home behind our O-Line.

[Steely Dan]

Just say no to dog killers and rapists.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

No doubt. #9 pick overall and former 1st-rounder Lynch sounds good to me.

 

Plus Ben is used to getting sacked (47 in '07, 46 in '08, 50 in '09) so he will feel right at home behind our O-Line.

 

Actually, I think 1st rounder, plus Lee Evans is something the Steelers might give a sniff. They'd probably still want something else (like a future 2nd round pick). Since they dumped Santonio Holmes, they need a top line receiver. Evans in Pittsburgh would be a good fit.

[BuffaloBud]

The Stillers fans should get Ben's mom a plane ticket to where Ben is and have her slap him sense into him.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

Just say no to dog killers and rapists.

 

I whole heartedly agree with one minor clarification:

 

Just say no to "convicted" dog killers and rapists!

 

Consider "accused but never charged" dog killers and rapists!

[ganesh]

You dont' know much about their owners do you? They put more of an imporance on Character than anything and this is twice now his ass has embarrassed the franchise.

 

Someone offers enough, he will be traded, you can bet on that.

 

They already did, by sending Holmes to the Jets...that was the message from the Steelers.

[Bufcomments]

The rumblings here are that it would take two first rounders (or a first rounder and a first round caliber player) for any serious consideration to begin. In my opinion, if I'm the Steelers, that makes sense.

 

One experienced 2 time Super Bowl winning QB age 28 /in his prime = at least 2 first round players

Ok you can have Trent Edwards( he not a bills Fan)

Marshawn Lynch ( former 1st rounder) plus thug life actions

Donte Whitner (former 1st rounder), plus he could fill in when Troy gets hurt, which he will....

Chris Kelsey.... on the trade block again lol

this years third round pick.

 

If that doesn't get ER done well I tried. lol

[KD in CA]

Actually, I think 1st rounder, plus Lee Evans is something the Steelers might give a sniff.

 

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

[RayFinkle]

Two 1sts? Done.

[BUFFALOTONE]

Here is what I do not get, bear with me. The guy was pretty much falsely accused the first time in Tahoe. There were emails from her to her managers and co-workers saying she was going to try and get with Big Ben when he was staying at the hotel. She then files a civil suit a YEAR later, saying she wants X amount of money because she was some how violated. He turns around files a defamation of character and it all goes away.

 

Now Georgia, not sure what happened and the only one who really knows are Ben and the girl. They had been drinking all night and did something she seriously regretted or Ben took advantage of her. Either way it is not right but we really do not know what happened. Is Ben a world class D-Bag for putting himself in this situation? Absolutely. But the episode in Tahoe really has no bearing on this GA incident. He was blatantly falsely accused over a year later by a desk clerk looking to get some easy cash.

 

If he did assault this girl, then he got away with it or the investigators in GA seriously dropped the ball as well as the state attorney's office. Now would I want him QBing my team? Without a doubt! The guy is a winner, plain and simple.

[LongLiveRalph]

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

 

Same here.

 

He was a (*^*&%^$^#for riding his unhelmeted head into a car, but the car did pull out in front of him. Nobody knows what happened with these two girls. I am the last person to blame the victim. But it's always a possibility that some claims could very well be embellished. There's no question alcohol was involved, and there's no question Ben acted foolishly. He's been very lucky thus far in all of these incidents that he isn't dead or charged as a criminal.

 

Regardless, I'd take the first competant QB in Orchard Park since 1996. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's sports business. Win games sell tickets sell shirts profit. Good players required.

 

The NFL's ultimate good guy, Marvin Harrison, made a huge mistake (alledgedly shot a man) but wasn't charged criminally due to lack of evidence. If he was 27, he'd still be on the Colts or would be the hottest trade prospect out there. Not right, not wrong, just sports business.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

Ok you can have Trent Edwards( he not a bills Fan)

Marshawn Lynch ( former 1st rounder) plus thug life actions

Donte Whitner (former 1st rounder), plus he could fill in when Troy gets hurt, which he will....

Chris Kelsey.... on the trade block again lol

this years third round pick.

 

If that doesn't get ER done well I tried. lol

 

I think I can hear the Stiller's response -

 

"Let us get back to ya on that one"

[mrags]

I whole heartedly agree with one minor clarification:

 

Just say no to "convicted" dog killers and rapists!

 

Consider "accused but never charged" dog killers and rapists!

 

LOL

[RayFinkle]

I would think if feelers were being sent out, having Doug Whaley on board is a good thing.

[stinky finger]

Here is what I do not get, bear with me. The guy was pretty much falsely accused the first time in Tahoe. There were emails from her to her managers and co-workers saying she was going to try and get with Big Ben when he was staying at the hotel. She then files a civil suit a YEAR later, saying she wants X amount of money because she was some how violated. He turns around files a defamation of character and it all goes away.

 

Now Georgia, not sure what happened and the only one who really knows are Ben and the girl. They had been drinking all night and did something she seriously regretted or Ben took advantage of her. Either way it is not right but we really do not know what happened. Is Ben a world class D-Bag for putting himself in this situation? Absolutely. But the episode in Tahoe really has no bearing on this GA incident. He was blatantly falsely accused over a year later by a desk clerk looking to get some easy cash.

 

If he did assault this girl, then he got away with it or the investigators in GA seriously dropped the ball as well as the state attorney's office. Now would I want him QBing my team? Without a doubt! The guy is a winner, plain and simple.

You just don't get it. You see, we have to win now and we need to do so with talent that is almost choirboy like. Nevermind we don't know all the facts or that he was never charged.

 

Ben seems to be putting himself and others in harms way, no doubt. That said, LE and a #1 or two #1's is all it would take?

 

Sign me up. I'm interested in winning.

[stinky finger]

I would think if feelers were being sent out, having Doug Whaley on board is a good thing.

Good point.

[offyourocker]

I whole heartedly agree with one minor clarification:

 

Just say no to "convicted" dog killers and rapists!

 

Consider "accused but never charged" dog killers and rapists!

 

That is bull ****. I woul consider Vick before Ben. Vick paid his debt to society. Ben found way out of it for second. Something you or I would not be able to do.

I can't believe so many people here would actually support this. I want nothing to do with that dirtbag. If the Bills were to trade for him, I would be done with them. It would not make us win anyway. Ben is not that great. The system in Pittsburgh makes the team successful.

[BillsfaninSixburgh]

I would think if feelers were being sent out, having Doug Whaley on board is a good thing.

 

Agree. I would think with Whaley's connection to the Steelers, at the very least a call has been made. But as stated in my original post, the Steelers aren't stupid. If Ben goes somewhere, it will be for a king's ransom.

[JPS]

???

 

I was just commenting on the Steelers' fans and their ardor for their team.

Sorry. I accidentally replied to you instead of fast reply. Mine wasn't a reply to you at all.

[SawchukBills]

Wow, but I can't I'm surprised... especially after Holmes got dealt for only a 5th...

[NoSaint]

Just say no to dog killers and rapists.

 

id go as far as to include people that kill or rape humans also....

[tonyjustbcuz]

so conflicted. Would love to see a player of his ability here but I dont think I can handle routing for him.

 

 

Good point! The morality is definitely lacking in several if not many players in the N.F.L., but then again that goes for our society in General. When I lived in Iceland..(seriously) the people there were very honest. Mothers would park the stroller with baby in front of a little store, set the wheel brake, go in the store, do a little shopping, come out get baby and go without blinking! Try doing that in our wonderful country...

 

The NFL players is just a micrcosim of what we see in young people today. Everyone (well not everyone but many) feel "entitled"...entitled to break the law and speed, entitled to parking in handicap zones, entitled to break the law because

it's their world and they are above the law. Pull out the IPhone..I pad whatever...organize "my life", my world! Just sit in

front of Tim Hortons for an hour around 8 a.m. and analyze...Watch people hurrying in the parking lot..while on the cell phone or texting...Hurrying, and trying to beat the next guy to the drive thru..at all costs! If I'm crossing I'd better move

because that yuppy girl on the cell, and fixing her hair will run me down if I slow down "her world"...These NFL players are the same way..it's a business..it's all about them...Bruce Smith can get arrested for DWI 3 times and end up with community service and a 100. dollar fine!! Society allows it...Thurman Thomas, Jim Kelly was no angel just because he is popular..I met him and love him as a player..in person he was a total 100% complete blipaty blip to me...It was Vick...It was this guy or that guy...now Rothlesberger again! There is little integrity in sports anymore..heck some refs (was it basketball??) even helped fix games! If your a sports fan you have no control...if you follow it like I do..then you have to

wear blinders, because when you think of the greed! and the criminals that are in the sportsworld you'd get sick to your

stomach! So, from a sports perspective I hope the Bills try to acquire Rothlesberger even though I disapprove if he committed an offense that I find atrocious. It's not necessarily going to be any better by having another character in his place. Look at Lynch..He hit a woman with his car and left the scene. He's had illegal guns in his vehicle...etc...I will watch

with blinders and try to enjoy the game with a narrow mind otherwise I would be so disgusted that I would find something

else to do with my time!

 

So if you can get'em get Rothlesberger!

[BYGD1]

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Have fun Bills fans.....don't shoot the messenger

 

 

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We do not need this piece of Human Excrement here with BILLS

[PromoTheRobot]

Everyone has their price but this won't happen.

How else do you put a scare in Ben's arrogant a$$.

I'd bet my empty wallet on it.

"F**k up one more time, Ben, and we're trading you to Buffalo!"

 

"Anything but that, Mr. Rooney. I'll be good, I promise."

 

PTR

[McBeane]

Agree. I would think with Whaley's connection to the Steelers, at the very least a call has been made. But as stated in my original post, the Steelers aren't stupid. If Ben goes somewhere, it will be for a king's ransom.

 

I would definitely pay a "king's ransom" for Big Ben. As someone said earlier, I would trade this years 1st and 2011's 1st for a QB of Ben's caliber. Who cares about the accusations against him, so what he likes to go out and have fun. All it is, is gold-diggers trying to get money out of an insanely rich man. He would instantly make us into a playoff team and legitimate contender in the AFC East.