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Could it also be that Orton (specifically his arm) is gassed out from no training camp, OTA's etc?

Was hoping Dallas would have been on the road as potential Thanksgiving day game. Though now with the changing confernece game coverage, anything is possible, but CBS will broadcast the late game from Dallas next year. If NE plays in Dallas, that may be the Thanksgiving day. That being said from looking at their schedule, I do agree with the exception of Philly, and either SD/KC the teams they play at home are the tougher draws based on this seasons play. But more often than not teams that you think will play real well end up having down years and other teams look much better. Every seaso nyou can count on one or two like that.

Got to say top to bottom our secondary has been playing great over the past five or six weeks. Not sure how much is due to pressure up front, certainly some is a product of the rush, but the secondary overall has played great lately, best I've seen in years.

Can you explain exactly how he is his crony from Syracuse?? Maybe when RB was in high school as a kid he followed Syracuse and watched Marrone play, but that's about the closest their paths crossed, other than yes RB was born in the same city that Marrone played college at and eventually coached in the same city over 25 years after Brandon left as a kid. But hey when you're on a vendetta, don't let facts get in the way of making a point.

Really, tell me when has a coach ever pulled a QB when he is winning the game?? LOL I'm sure if I go back through your posts I'd find that you hate Marrone, so good opportunity to rag on him, even though your reasoning is just plain dumb and never happens.

I could be wrong on this but I don't recall TP stating he absolutely will hire a consultant. Thought he stated he MAY do that and seems everyone in the media and this site took it as gospel. That being said I do tend to agree with the OP in that would be difficult to make any types of changes this off-season as would take some time to decide what is and isn't working. Unless the person is actually brought in to flat out clean house, and not to determine what is or isn't working.

Agree, but that's all about 20 other teams have too. Would I like to find the franchise that everyone wants, sure, but so would many other teams and in half of the case when they do find one it's more dumb luck (see Tom Brady) It doesn't mean they shouldn't try and find one, but we could be worse off. And I don't blame the Bill's FO for not getting one as I realize there are very few to come by. And seems like every year the picking are getting slimmer. I do think the NFL needs to start aggressively working to develop a Stepford QB Also would be interested to see how Orton would look with an improved offensive line and actually an off-season of training camp, OTA's etc under his belt.

I think he may eoither outright fire him, or give him too many conditions to accept to keeping his job like fire Hackert, fire the OL coach, etc. Marrone doesn't react quick enough so he gets fired. In Marrone's defense if he did agree to get a new OC, he may have trouble finding someone unless Marrone himself gets extended else he's a lamb duck coach looking to hire a new OC

Great idea, there's about 20 other teams that love to hire that guy. Realisticly the Bills and every team has that guy, they know what the great QB looks like, the problem is there;s hardly anyone out there that has the skills.

I doubt NE has the converence rapped up. To expect Denver to lose the next two weeks is wishful thinking, not a "very possible senerio" as you call it. I'd even state there's a much higher probability that we lose to Green Bay, than Denver loses the next two, or eve nthat we lose to Oakland than Denver losing two straight. That being said, there's also a good chance there are other loses by other teams unexpectedly.

I think we aquire one guard and the other is on the team now. Richardson with a year under his belt, could be the answer. Henderson wit ha year under his belt and a good guard on one side could make Ubrik, Richardson, or anyone else look much better.

I think this off season three things could happen: 1) TP (and KP) decides to completely clean house up to and including RB, DW, and all the coaches. I kind of doubt this will happen as from what I've read, TP appreciated RB's help during the purchase process so likely he stays. I do believe RB likes DW so puts a good word in for him and DW also keeps his job. I hope this happens as I believe the Bill's would be hard pressed to find a better GM He's made more good moves than bad, the one bad one people will bring up is QB, while I don't disagree this hasn't worked out very well, 20 other teams have the same problem. It takes more luck than anything to find the answer at QB 2) Whaley instructs DM to fire Hackett and DM refuses. Then DM also gets shown the door. In defense of DM, if I were him I'd argue that it will be difficult to bring in a new OC unless DM's contract is extended as who wants to work for a lame duck coach. If I recall correctly that was the same argument Wade Phillips made to RW at the time, but it didn't work that time either. It's also possible that Whaley puts many conditions on DM hoping he'll not accept them giving him an excuse to fire him. Wade had a a much longer and successful resume than DM does, so for Wade, he could play that card and not worry about getting rehired. For Marrone if he refuses to meet conditions and gets fired, he'll likely struggle to get another shot even in college, so not so sure Doug would be dumb enough to go down that route. (I'm certain these words will get many responses) 3) All the off season stories about friction between DM and the front office are true as this thread alludes too and DM is fired for that. So will see what happens in a month, will be very surprised if at least Hackett isn't gone by New Years.

So you get a 1st rounder, lets dream big the #1 over all .You think there's a QB out there that has an 89% chance of being great?? Winston, the guy from Oregon? The rate of failures is much higher than success. Not disagreeing that we need better QB play, but thinking a 1st rounder will solve the problem is way off base

While this is true in the most literal sense, it is so misleading that I don't think it's going too far to call bull ****. To say 2/3 had their franchise QB is just as misleading. There are maybe 10 true franchise QB's in the league, for round numbers we'll say 1/3, the next 1/3 that you claim have franchise QB's are the following group; Three seasons ago when time to draft RW had the following for their starting QB Jets Mark Sanchez Houston Matt Schaub Tampa Josh Freeman I could go with more, my point is these were all teams who thought they had their guy, clearly if they had correctly valued RW they would have drafted him, but they didn't think much of RW and figured their current guy was just as good if not better. Very quickly they realized their error. Even the 1/3 with true franchise QB's likely would have drafted him as a backup maybe in the second round if they did know how good RW turned out. So yes the Bill's missed out as did practically every other team in the league if his true abilities were known. Just don't make it that the Bill's were one of only a handful of teams that screwed up her, the list is long. Teams abilities to value players star skills is more hit or miss and seems mostly miss.

The Jill's are Toxic, not them personally but all of the NFL cheer leader law suits being brought, why would anyone bring back cheer leaders. Wouldn't surprise me top hear it was discussed at owners meeting as a recommendation to all teams to phase them put.

Kind of interesting that guys like Dauton, Alex Smith and Cutler are just ahead of Orton. Not much difference there. As far as franchise QBs' a discussion form the other day, I'd cut the list off after #9, though would consider moving Flacco or Eli up into that group too.

Then what about every other player out there. Where does it end? Nice of Marv to suggest the Bills should hire Talley. Why doesn't Marv find a job for him? On the other hand wouldn't shock me to see Mary Wilson make a large contribution to the Talley fund.

So what player on either San Fran or Oakland hails from western PA as I see this little sliver of area is getting that game while most of the remainder of the country gets Seattle @ Philly??

Yup another sign of a terrible front office! Actually it's probably all Hacketts fault! PS can some one tell me where to find the sarcasm button??

So you have 17 I said 12, not too far off. I'd also argue that without an exceptional team around him, I doubt that Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Dalton, and maybe even Flacco could win a SB on their own talents. I'd then lump your elite and borderline elite, plus Big Ben, Romo, Stafford, Rivers, Ryan, and Eli minus the last two seasons into my "franchise" group. Even though some like a Romo or Rivers, haven't won a SB, I do feel they are capable of it with even decent talent Though Romo will find a way to self destruct every year.

Out of 32 teams in the NFL, there are around 20 who lack franchise QB's. So not finding one in a generation is about average for the league. That's the basic problem in the league, there are 32 teams and 10 great QB's. So teams get "desperate" and hope someone like an EJ or JP or Trent become that guy. If not move on.

The same thing was stated another time, around 1986. Kelly's 1st or 2nd year, defense was good, but if only the offense would play decent.

The first catch I sdaid, "Who is this guy" so Googled him. Didn't even find out very much there other than the date the Bills picked him up!

Over the years there's been many players who've been inactive pretty much their entire rookie year, 2nd year, they got stronger and things slowed down and they became decent players. Will he be goign to the pro-bowl, probably not, but that's OK too as long as he can become a decent starter. Same with Richardson, give them another year.

Hey don't let any actual facts get in the way of a chance to rip Bills management. You got an agenda, go for I'm aure you'll get 20 others with the same agenda to totally agree with you.