Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I'm down in NC, work with about 1/2 dozen other Bills fans, none of them are all to thrilled about it. I'm probably the happiest one of all of them.

I agree that was my exact thought too. I thought about posting it here at the time, but figured everyone would think I'm nuts!

Yes but you can always get out of a contract for a promotion. So even if the Bills had granted permission to the skins to hire Jim S for DC which would have just been a lateral move, they could have come back a week later and told the Skins we now want to hire Jim back as HC and likely Skins would have to have allowed it. Likely as part of the permission to talk to him they could have even told the Skins that. Unless I'm missing something In this case like they are planning to bring this guy in as a different title, they are asking to interview the Skins O-0ine coach to become the Bill's O-line coach. Isn't that the exact definition of a lateral move? Same as it would have been for Schwartz with the one exception being we were still considering him for HC position, but I'm sure that could have easily been worked around and still been able to hire here as HC if they wanted. That's my point that the Bill's said no to the same thing they are now asking the Skins to agree to, a lateral move.

Well glad to hear the Skins are nicer than the Bills were in that they granted permission to talk with their line coach where as we tuned down their request to interview Schwartz.

Don't exaggerate, he's only 39! Actually I think he's going to be 39 in a couple months!

The evidence were the comments last week by Fred Jackson implying that Marrone changed many of the plays that Hackart would have been much more aggressive. All season everyone here said no way Marrone would ever fire his buddy Hacket. But what's been stated since he opted out, the only person Doug cared about was Doug, so I have no doubt if given an ultimatum get rid of Hackert or you're gone, Hackert would have been gone in a second.

I was just talking about htis very thing at work today, drives me crazy too. Everyone wants to be a hero.

He's not getting fired, he'll be dismissed with every penny do him for this season. Thought wouldn't be shocked if he stays on in a diminished role. It's his choice, but he may feel his reputation got ruined by the whole Marorne thing and staying maybe as assistant OC at his present salary would be the best thing for him. The other liekly option is a couple steps down so this may be better for him. From what Freddy stated, sounds liek alot of the anger directed at Hackert was due to Marrone's calls.

Three minutes left, Denver down by 11, Manning is throwing 5 yard dump offs. I thought I was watching a Bills game!

Hughes is good, but no where near worth franchising. Make him a fair offer even a little better than fair, if he'd agree to it, ask him to bring any offer he gets back to Buffalo if he would like to stay here so we'd have the chance to match, if he doesn't take it, so be it. But say no to franchise. You still have three very good DL players, plus some other subs that played well, be better to spread the money around elsewhere. If the OC ends up being Tressman, can't see Cutler coming here, not that I'd give up much for him anyway.

Can't help but wonder if the Bills had set conditions for Marrones return, say fire Hackert. If Marrone had refused and got fired, I'm guessing he'd by much better off than the way things have gone in the past ten days for him. People are just coming out of the woodwork piling on him. Now that the Chicago rumors are heating up, I'm waiting for some writer out there to start piling on him next.

Exactly, for a number of years hear this argument about bringing in like 5 QB's or so. You'll then have 5 unprepared QB's with no idea if any of them are any good. From what I've read multiple times the #2 QB typically gets about five snaps a week with the first team once the regular season starts. Doesn't sound like a very good way to develop someone if you ask me.

I'm wondering if Hackert will stay in Buffalo as maybe assistant OC or something like thta who reports to Roman or who ever the OC does end up being. If Fred Jacksons comments about him are accurate, the issue there may also have been Marrone. Hackert is still very young, he may be willing to take a step backwards under someones guidance and could turn up again as an OC candidate for some other team. Roman's name was mentioned as a potential HC this year, if the Bill's do improve on offense, he could be gone a couple years and Hackert resumes his old position. Certainly the path I'm descirbing isn't well traveled, not likely, but could see it playing out in some way similar.

The one comment in the Post article is kind of funny, shows how little writers actually worry about facts. TP has owned the team for six months, never went through an off-season yet where he had to worry about who to sign or not. Seems to be a pretty stupid comment to make based on zero track record! The Bills’ new owner, Terry Pegula, does not harbor Johnson’s distaste for annual renegotiations, as far as we know.

I'll bet it's more like 75% get canned due to lack of talent, then the coach get re-cycled to another team that also needs a coach who just fired their prior coach ultimately for guess what lack of talent. The GM is likely the guy who assembled all the talent or lack there of, and is the guy who fires the coach. The GM figures it must have been ineptitude, as all his signings were great. I've said for years in all sports, the most important person in an organization is the GM, as without the players, it doesn't matter whom the coach is. Is that good thing or a bad thing??

Sammy also may have some interaction with him at Clemson games. More in a social setting so not at all surprised that's he'd be impressed from talking with in that type of setting.

I think the allure more comes from him being to two AFC championship games I am a bit concerned over this too. Though I believe the NFL has an edict that teams don't make coaching hire announcements on the days of playoff games as they want all the attention on the games being played and nothing else. Isn't Rex's wife name also Kim??

It's possible too that it's the old domino theory from the coaches side. The Bill's job isn't a terrible job. Great defense and very good ST and receivers. QB is a big issue, but anyone who signs a contract, it's likely for 4 years (obviously with an opt out for a change in ownership) but in that period of time alot can change at QB, you have time to find that guy. While I say it's a good job, it's probably not the best. I'd rate SF, Atlanta or Chicago higher so could be none of the coaching prospects will commit as they are all hoping to get one of those first. Once the first one signs then all the dominoes start to fall fast. I agree I don't think he's forcing EJ on anyone, but likely is stating he doesn't feel that Marrone gave EJ a very good chance so he wants a coach who will try to work with him and would have a plan to develop him, if it truly is a failure, then move on to plan B which may just be a temp thing for the remainder of 2015 then go to plan C which may be a year away yet. On the O line prospects, I do wonder could the problem be that Marrone kept changing his mind. He'd tell Whaley, this is what I want, so Whaley gets him that type of guys, but then a month later he wants something else. At some point, you give up listening to him, that may have been when things went down hill fast between them.

Needs to be a 3rd choice, no effect at all.

The problem is though beyond these 12 and the other three mentioned, the remaining teams all have below average, to weak, to poor QB's Sure everyone wants to be in the top 75%, but just not nearly enough talent to go around at QB. I think it's a problem the league needs to really try to figure out a way to develop better QB play. 25 years ago there were plenty of teams with good QB's that didn't make the playoffs, these days, hardly happens anymore. People want to rip Whaley and Brandon for not finding the franchise QB, if it were that easy all the other teams would already have done it too.

Thats why many here on the board argued in favor of keeping Marorne but i the end it wasn't the teams choice. If you hire a brand new never before HC I'd say the odds are probably 2:1 in favor of him being worse (measured as winning record goes) just simily because more new coaches fail than are huge successes from what I see. Though many of the failures are retreads too.

I was hoping they would have looked at Hue two years ago, don't think they interviewed him, but seem to recall his name did come up that time too. Then again as many coaches as we go through, you can probably say that about every coach every two t othree years!

As a front office type, president, or certainly on the training conditioning staff, could see it coming. As a coach I think unlikely only because how many women play football at a high enough level to understand the game. There are some rather high level women's basketball, hockey leagues around. Even softball to hardball isn't a huge stretch. So easy for women to compete and/or coach at high womens levels before making the jump to NBA or NHL. But women's football leagues are just starting to get a small amount of support, and they are more novelty leagues than being taken serious. So until women play and coach at high levels against other women, can't see them coming to the NFL.

You don't need lie detector tests, what you need are full time officials. I've often heard the argument the current ones are often lawyers, bank presidents, all high income earners beyond being bribed. In today's world, whatever they make isn't above bribery, so I'd throw that argument out. Thought I read that the officials around $15k per game times 16 weeks that's still over $200k per year. While not an obscene amount of money if you're making $200k as a full time ref or say $1/2 mil as lawyer and another $200k from the NFL, it probably would have little bearing either way whether you'd take a bribe or not. I've heard the argument if they went full time, too many good experienced officials would quit. I'd phase it in, each year one to two positions on the crew move to full time. In the mean time you keep the remaining PT but experienced guys around. I'm sure you could easily find 20 to 50 people every year willing to go full time either from the current ranks,, maybe college, or other places. Once you have transitioned over to all full time those that didn't want to make the switch. I'd offer some of the most experienced ones positions as raters, go to games and evaluate the crew. There's enough work they could do all week to be useful, film study, working out, time spend working with teams in practice to reduce penalties, evaluation etc.

Yeah but all the stuff making it hard to move the team only came out after RW had died. So at the time this was signed, no one knew, well probably Littmann knew. Money wasn't going to come out of RW's pocket, so why would he care.