Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

He's not being watched, he's just been given different marching orders. Under Littman he was under a very limited budget, now being told, Damm the dollars. Even if Littman had stuck around likely would have been fine too, though he may have had a nervous breakdown signing the checks. Same with Russ too, he's been blamed for all the bad ill's of the past ten years, but in reality it was RW's marching orders. I've often wondered over the past two years when RW supposedly handed RB the keys to the place. Did RB have complete control to do anything he wants as long as he didn't spend a dime more than Littman told him to, or was he allowed to tell Littman where to set the budget at. Based on financial decisions of the past two years. I'm guessing Littman was still the one handing out the allowances for RW. How can that possibly be his fault?? That was the faulty of the GM and scouts to want to sign those players. If anything Overdolf likely due to limited funds got the contracts signed for less money than was being asked for. If Overdolf had an unlimited checkbook, those same players mentioned would have got even more money

So any rumors of teams that Hughes is talking with?? Hearing all these other teams are ready to sign other players, anything similar here?? If not could mean a deal is very close??

True, but that part to me that's somewhat misleading is it tends to imply he had a long productive career prior to Marrone when in reality, he had one very good season.

I don't know, I'd doubt there would be a statement made like that without knowing a good likelihood this may happen As the saying goes, where there's smoke, there's fire!

The Bill's can't do anything until Tuesday Or the other side is, make your big planned moves first, then you know where you stand money wise as likely. Or even decide if there's another "no strings attached" TE out there. If nobody else works out, you've got the big signings completed, now you can tie up $10 mil for a week or so until the Fin's respond. Most teams usually wait out the full time available to keep the other team from knowing exactly where they stand money wise. Unless the Fins need the money elsewhere more quickly I suppose?? Maybe the Bill's also figure we could always cut Ubrik and Williams sooner than planned if money gets tight while waiting out the Fish

So the transition tag just gives the Fish the option to match whatever offers he may get elsewhere correct?? Not picks or anything involved? I't still a pain though as you have money tied up for what is it 7 to 10 days they have to match? Not sure if it's worth it? Suppose the Bill's could look elsewhere initially at other TE's, if they can't find anyone better, and they've made whatever main moves they plan to make so they pretty much know where they stand money wise , then go after Clay if they don't like any of the other options.

So you'd rather have Kiko sitting on the bench tan McCoy playing as from the sound of things Rex suggesting they should trade Kiko tells me he wouldn't have been a featured player for Rex or be put in a position to do what he did as a rookie. It's a different defense, Sounds like Rex wants LB's doing other things which may not match up with Kiko's strengths Wouldn't surprise me if Rex didn't imagine getting McCoy in his place as would have thought you'd need to give up more to him in return.

Was reading a Yahoo article about how CJ Spiller is going to be this great steal, and who knows maybe he will be, but one quote thought was very laughable, it stated: The first time he experienced a production dip happened in his first season under Doug Marrone Now that is an absolutely true statement, however he's only played four seasons and Marrone was there for two, so that leaves two seasons, and his rookie year didn't do a whole lot. So basically the following could have also been written and stated exactly the same but maybe gave more information and shead more light on his overall career: He's had one very good season over his four year career (and if you want to add), but regressed the past two seasons under the new coach Doug Marrone As they like to often say, figures don't lie, but liars figure!

If that's the highway you like to frequent, I'm not going to stop you!

It was leaked by Adam Shekler that part of the new contract is that the Bills have agreed to play two games a season in Harrisburg.

Haven't seen this guy mentioned in quite awhile, maybe he resigned, but the Bears Center, also could play guard I believe I read supposedly he liked our line coach, sounded like a reasonable priced pickup. If not him,anyone but Iupati as he'll be too expensive, Don't understand why most here seem to think we need two lineman. We need another guard (or center and move Woods). Tackles we have two 2nd round picks and a 7th round pick who played every game last season and looked decent out there for a rookie. He would have been selected much higher without the drug concerns and he wasn't the biggest problem we had out there last year. You can't keep giving up on draft picks before you know how they'll pan out, ideally you'd rather have the rookie become the starter as it's cheap money. People have ripped the Bill's for letting guys like Levetre, Byrd to name a few leave as we didn't want to pay them the money they got elsewhere. Worse than that even is drafting a guy, then a year later bring in a high priced FA to replace him and never knowing how the rookie may have panned out. In three years later his contract expires and he goes elsewhere and then we als ohave nothing to show for the draft picked and spent alot of money at that position instead of paying just the rookie contract. Even worse is we sign a guy and maybe all this work Kujo is doing off season really works out and he beats out the FA signing, then you have starter money sitting on the bench. If we sign a tackle in about ten days, that's fine as now we're in the maybe $1.5 to $2 mil money range. If Kujo beats him out have a $2mil backup isn't too bad

I commented in another thread, the Bills can get him back in two seasons once he's likely cut for underperforming the $11 mil contract he got. If he goes someplace where these's a good line, then he may be OK

I'd rather see him have another good season or at least half a season before extending. Seems last season was the first real strong one worth extending that he had.

The Bills D is good, but to suggest playing nine vrs eleven seems a bit much! In all seriousness I wouldn't over pay for him either, but likely some team will. If he goes a team with a decent D already, he may be OK, but likely the team to overpay are the ones with little to know current pass rush. Depending on Jerry in that mode., likely won't work out.

Kind of like the NBA sign and trade. Well you could make a big part of the deal a signing bonus which is paid by the signing team so the team he's traded to wouldn't see any part of that hit. Is it legal, can't see why not, unless some little loophole. Don't recall anything like that ever being done, but why not. Hey seems the NFL has adopted the NBA style of trades announced but not completed for another week, so why not also adopt the sign and trade.

I really don't understand the RT need? Seems most of the season everyone was happy with the play of Henderson, particularly for a rookie and particularly when the overall play of the line was weak. Put Richie and another FA signing guard next to him, and a year of experience I'm not ready to give up on him anytime soon as he could look much better. I know he graded out poor, which makes me questions some of those grades as he seemed to have passed the eye test fine all season. Yuo can't keep chasing draft picks, by that I mean replace last years pick with another one until you're certain the first one isn't going to work out, and after one season no way to tell for certain, if anything he looked pretty strong. Can't afford five all-pros on the line just as the same on the D-line, if Hughes leaves for big $$. If Henderson is our biggest problem on the O-line we're in real good shape!

Guess he learned something from Marrone!

He has three years left on the deal, so UFA is a long way soff, we're talking in three years. He'd be crazy to refuse an extention to play out a three year deal to become a UFA as could easily get hurt or would by then be over the hill and get less. After this year his cap hit goes down, under $8 mil So explain how a three year contract with declining cap amounts exactly gives the player leverage? Other htna the cap number being high, just don't see it.

That's what happens whe na legend gets traded.

Ummm... yeah that was the idea, all my comments were meant to be negatives. I'm agreeing with you, he was nothing special. It was on about page two or three of the this thread, someone posted that! DPOY candidate this season The legend is amazing. See my post above as to the real reason behind this trade!!

To build of the legend of Kiko Chip Kelly is making this trade as he plans to make Kiko his starting QB

That he tore his ACL twice and came back to play again at some level, oh yeah, he became DPOY, he'll become a superstar, he's up and coming (even though his played actually tailed off in the ONE season he played). Well at least that's what the first 37 pages were saying about him

Philly just traded one of their better players. Don't see anyway they can move up enough to get him, unless they pull a Ditka. Doubt getting Kiko helps their trade abilities at all.

Really based on what?? Some of the quotes I've read are amazing. Truly the legend of Kiko grows tonight 10X. I've read here tonight, he's a superstar, up and coming, DPOY candidate this coming season. What we know Kiko is is a guy who came in as a rookie and had a great Sept and October, remainder of year played very well for a rookie, but in reality his play deteriorated as the year went on. Not blaming him for it, but if you're calling him a superstar and up and coming, then lets be honest on what actually occurred, his play at best leveled off, most likely dropped off to some level. 2nd season out all year with an ACL, in fact second ACL on the same knee to be exact. Meanwhile we're picking up an elite RB, granted maybe in two years he'll be done, who knows, but for all we know Kiko may already be done, but somehow this is a terrible deal for the Bill's Nothing against the guy, but talk about people out of control. The legend only grows in his wake. This is just amazing to hear peoples reaction!

FJ is the heart and sole of the fans. Rex has no connection to him, his play tailed off quite a bit this past year., maybe he was just very nicked up, who knows. The one thing FJ does bring is good blocking, but the only ones who feel he's deserved to stick with the team are the fans. He may beat out Brown, if he does, then he'll be back if not then likely he's done. But this blind loyalty to him is just plain stupid. I like the guy, but he may be done!