Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

With these articles coming out, it may bury him. I'm sure too all the writers in Buffalo are scouring their sources to find more bad stuff to release on him right now to make him look even worse. I think he may have made a slight over calculation of his importance. Will be interesting to what the next week brings. There's always the Raiders!

I do find one thing somewhat interesting pattern here. What does Tom Donahoe, Mike Mularkey, and Doug Marrone all have in common? They were all rather upset at how they were treated by the local media and fans constant ripping of them and help hasten their departure through different means. Both Marrone and Mularky's families were even upset about the treatment according to the rumors and affected their kids. One person, OK he's just thin skinned, two well maybe all coaches have similar personalities, but three people makes you start to wonder if the problem is the constant, the media? Now if you can show me evidence that this happens in every NFL city, then I'll take back my questioning. I'm not questioning the criticism, that happens all over but maybe when you compare the news about the Bills relative to other stories in the area, it becomes overwhelming and you just can't escape it and becomes too much for the people to handle. Obviously you hear much more about what's going on locally, but haven't heard these types of reports from other cities where coaches just couldn't handle the media criticism. Comments have been made if he can't handle Buffalo media, how would he ever handle NYC media. One difference though in the grand scheme of things, in a huge city like NY, football is very big to many people, but percentage wise, maybe not so big compared to a place like Buffalo where there are less alternatives and a greater percentage of people live and die for the Bill's, like the guy who called WGR in tears when the team was sold. Do people call into NYC sports radio in tears? My take on Marrone was didn't love the guy, but would rather have seen him stay another season for continuity and due tend to agree with many of the comments on Marrone in the article, his behavior did seem to agree with what the article stated. But with three similar stories involving Buffalo media and Bill's leaders, makes you wonder where the problem really is and did they have a valid complaint at least to some level? I'm sure most will disagree and blame it all on Marrone, and Mularky, and Donahoe. Maybe you're right, but all three, that just seems too much to blame the coaches.

I voted for Bevell, if I had a 2nd choice it would have been Hue Jackson

Would mentally challenged qualify as a minority candidate? If so I'd suggest Marrone.

I'm also against Pollian, but at least his success was as a GM. Parsell's best work was as a coach, not as a GM or Czar. Pollian has hired and groomed people to become GM's' AJ Smith, even though I think he'd be a terrible choice, Bill taught him. Who's Parcells taught to run a football team that he could even bring in? For one thing he never stays anywhere long enough to mentor anyone. Think this topic should be merged into the thread titled, "Who do you NOT want to coach the team"

I think all this talk that Marrone was a Brandon pick is crazy. I'm sure Brandon liked him, may have talked him up even to Whaley, but know way he was selected if Whaley wasn't also on board, maybe not quite as happy about it as Brandon, but still OK with it. So what happened since. Well just as your example of ten posters, I'm sure there are some that years back, say you would agree with 80% of the time, now you may think that same person is absolutely crazy almost every time he posts. May be a similar thing here, early on their ideas meshed, but as time wore on they changed. Considering Marrone appears to be somewhat of a Cybil personality, I'd more wager on the change coming from Marrones side of things. Add to that it appears that Marrone thinks very highly of himself which added to the delusional state on his side.

I agree that Int Cam just through reminded me alot of the one EJ through against Houston!

Let's see first how this plays out for Marrone before saying he was smart. He got $4mil, but lets see first if he does get a new gig? It's also possible he takes the seaosn off and goes back to college. In hindsight he appears somewhat similar personality wise to Harbaurgh and for the same reasons may be better suited ot tell 19 and 20 YO's what to do.

Announced, when was it announced by Terry P? I must have missed that press conference. All it is is more speculation, someone taking something that was said and twisting the words around, over analyzing them to come to some conclusion and then passing that along. I find it a bit strange that there's been no comment whatsoever from Terry P re this entire Polian hire thing which makes me wonder how close they really were to a deal?

I thought he went on IR, not cut?? As someone else pointed out here a few weeks back, the point in time when Williams got hurt and wasn't playing anmore was right around the same time our running game to a big turn south?? Coincidence? maybe or maybe his play was much better than most of the expects on this board think?

I'm sure that was what the whole argument in training camp was about. Not sure if the issue is Whaley is thickheaded and basically told Marrone I got you the players, now make use of them eve nif not what Marrone asked for. Did Marrone agree on the players then decided they weren't any good. Is Marrone just one of these guys who's never happy, wouldn't surprise me as he kind of comes off that way. Yup, I've always said that about Bill P very good coach, but lousy GM. Didn't think he ever put together that great roster. That was why he left the Giants, they wouldn't give him more power I don't know, did he not want them, or was he OK with it, maybe even asked for them. The players got here, then decides they suck and won't play them. I could certainly then see why Whaley could quickly tire of that and tell him, "I got you the toys you asked for, now go play with them as I'm not buying you anymore new toys!" Or did Whaley ignore his letter to Santa and got him the toys that Whaley thought he should have??

Why not offer the money. As was stated in convinced Marrone to sign here rather than maybe go to Cleavland or just delay things for days. RW owned the team at the time this was signed. The money wasn't coming from RW so if adding this clause helped seal the deal it was good for RW. Sign Marrone, things were looking up, helped him get 1.4$ bil for the team At that point Russ B was representing RW's interests, for the most part, was this good for the Bills, probably not, but Russ is obligated to act in RW's best interest not the teams, so he gladly welcomed to clause to get the deal completed. No one at that point knew where the team would be located in 2015, so wasn't a very outlandish request. I'm sure too it was written so that Marrone had a 3 day window upon the end of the season after the deal is complete so no money was coming out of RW's pocket. If the deal was only closed next week, likely Marrone would had to have waited until next Dec 31st to exercise the option.

Pegula hasn't stated anything along the lines of "Gee I'm sorry it didn't work out with Bill" Makes me wonder if there ever was an offer to him??

I don't think you need a HC for that, maybe a good OC and/or QB coach, but just do need a HC who understands the need for it.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe Pegula likes Whaley and didn't want to get rid of him and when he heard Polian talking about bringing in Smith, Pegula reminded Polian that he was just hiring his as an adviser, not to bring in his own cast. That ticked Polian off (which typically doesn't take much) Next thing you know, the entire deal ifs off and Polian is using the "heavy lifting" excuse to bow out gracefully.

All they need to to do the keep Spiller is announce Chan Galley is returning as HC.

I question how much did Marrone really report the front office is dysfunctional? All Polian has publicly stated is he changed his mind as now the job entailed too much work, really didn't say anything more. Now could be he's just taking the high road, but haven't seen anything of real substance reported of what was allegedly stated. It also doesn't make alot of sense if Pollian liked Marrone and once Marrone left, he backed out, but then it's reported that Marrone left because he didn't like the idea of having to report to Pollian. The only thing to explain that one is he really thinks very highly of himself and felt finishing 9-7 merits him to report to know one but the owner. Can he really be that full of himself?? Sounds like it would have been hard for Pegula to find a Czar as he must not like anyone but himself?? I really doubt Russ Brandon is doing any shaking whatsoever. First off the Czar to be named later will be in charge of football operations, not the marketing side. Will Russ report to the czar, I seriously doubt it. IMO Pegula and RB have a mutually agreed strategy that at some point when things are stabilized, RB 's services won't be needed and he will leave the Bill's likely with a large parting gift, next stop the NFL office. Or the other route he may take as others have reported, he may become president or something like that of this Buffalo Entertainment thing that apparently Pegula is leading. But I'm highly certain he's not at all worried, if anything I'd be more worried if I was Terry Pegula about Russ leaving per these rumors about him going to Oakland. Is Nix gone?? The report stated Nix was gone and Pollian was coming, well half of it didn't work out. Has anything more been reported about Nix?? Interesting theory on why Jim S came here PS I really don't like the look of this new "quote thing" as where does the quote end and the posters comments truly start? Seems kind of hard to figure out?? Case in point!!

I'd think the best place for him would be Atlanta. They have a good QB in place and the fan base and media cares more about Georgia and G Tech and probably even USC than they care about the Falcons so less attention to him.

at the time no one even knew where the team would be located. Or maybe the owner was Donald Trump and you don't want to work for him

He agreed to sign the contract at the time, so that's how it helped the Bills So you don't consider a new owner taking over new management??

wow, Bill Polien is young enough to be his son.

Wouldn't surprise me at some point to hear that the Bills' gave all of the offensive coaches the approval to interview for other jobs, but NOT the defensive staff. That often happens one side or the other.

Big differ4ence between the two. Bill B was still a new coach and was capable of learning from the early mistakes. For Shanahan this happened after 20 years of coaching. Kind of hard to excuse then.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to start a thread on this, you are the winner!! Russ B was representing Ralph Wilson at the time the contract was signed. What possible downside to RW would there be to put this clause into the contract as it wasn't going to be his money paying for it? If it helped the Bills close the deal why not? Are you going to claim the team would have sold for a higher price without this clause?? I don't know about you, but $4 mil doesn't sound like much of a big deal when spending $1.4 bil If anything having a coach on board who you assumed was going to be an improvement over prior choices would help drive the selling price up. Maybe at the time Russ B did have some concerns that this could come back to bite him, but likely in 2012 when this contract was signed if you asked RB if he thought he'd still be with the Bills after the team was sold, he likely would have said no. He also was representing RW's interests first and foremost. He may have asked RW about this at the time would RW agree to it, or maybe RW by that point wasn't getting into any details anymore and was left completely up to Russ to work out. Either way this clause wouldn't hurt RW since he wouldn't be paying for it and if it would help close the deal, and potentially m=inccreasing the value of the team, why not Without knowing the specific details of Russ's leadership agreement, but effectively he had POA responsibility for RW for the Bill's, typically as such he had a legal responsibility to represent the best interests of RW and if agreeing to this clause increased the sale rice, then he did the right thing. In simple terms in 2012 if RW was still running things and had agreed to this would you be OK with it? If so, then you need to still be OK with it as Russ B was representing RW's interests, and definitely not the fans of the team. As was stated they are called golden parachutes and are completely common at this level. In fact wouldn't surprise me if both Russ B and Doug W don't also have some type of clause in their contracts too.

I'm sure there was tampering involved, likely happens all the time and very difficult if not impossible to prove. Whenever there has been tampering, the penalty has been pretty severe, but just can't see how it would ever be proven.