Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

So where are these guys today?? Yeah is great that Davis is showing flashes, but so did Losman and Edwards, and what good did it do. There are often rookies that maybe have some type of "it" factor that works for around a year, then reality sets in. Nick Foles may be the latest victom of this, I say may as still unknown whether he will get it back or not. When a guy has the "it" factor for around five years running, then it says something. Less than that not sure it means anything more than what Manual has shown.

Unless he's in the last year oif his contract which is unlikely since he was just named OC this season, he's not likely going anywhere unless it's as a promotion to HC. So how exactly is Reich much different than Marrone was other than he was the QB for the Comeback game?? He's a hot candidate, like Marrone was, had one year of success as the OC with Phillip Rivers as QB and had a couple years of success as QB coach prior. I agree he likely will become one of the next bunch of coordinators promoted to HC, but to me it's no stronger of a higher than Marrone was two seasons back with just as much likelyhood for sucess or failure. The only difference is Reich is unknown and no one likes Marrone.

yes he did, though not sure I'd call it big time. Welcome to the club. Drafting QB's is probably the position in all of football with the least sucess. That's the problem in football there are 32 teams in the league and around a dozen really top level QB's. So you take chances on guys, cross your fingers and hope they work out. If not you start again, just like everyone else does. Every team and GM in the league has failed repeatedly to draft a great QB.

I think it's a case or Orton having better chemistry with Hogen, so only a certain number of snaps to go around. Likely Williams plays next week if Goodwin is out. And BTW, I do agree with others, Goodwin can't stay healthy to bother keeping around

Lets face it nobody can be this stupid, must be a troll or even worse I see He also started the fire Whaley thread today.

I'd say Buffalo only because there are more good teams in north for Cleveland to battle. In the east only elite team is NE and starting to see chinks there too. Smoke and mirrors will only last so long there. Miami may be good, but not great.

Well since we don't have Devin Hester, then lets just not put anyone back there anymore.

Think you're going to be awful disappointed come January. Where exactly do you think you're going to find a better GM and please don't suggest 70 YO Bill Polion. There are three types of coaches GM, you fill in the blank around today, there are successful ones currently employed by some team and when their contract is due to expire, they sign a new one prior. There are unemployed ones for a reason, and the third category are ones that some teram takes a chance on the new guy and promote him. In some cases it works out, more often it doesn't as whatever it might be coaches, GM, players there are more failures than successes. Blaming him and wanting to fire him for a bad head coach hire or bad QB pick is just plain stupid. If the number of bad ones hits a half dozen or so then you have a good, point, until then bad picks are part of the job

Failure to pick up a fumble is on the coaches?? WOW LOL

I think it may more be due to the fact that for the first month Orton was here he was working wit hthe 2nd team as was Hogan so they built up some chemistry. I recal lit was the same whe nFitz took over he had chemistry with Stevie as Stevie was a backup at that point too.

That was a very good one Didn't see that one, as an old Islander fan woill haveto watch that one. I lived through many of those nights in the Big East, I recall the sweater game,I can tell you where I was when Pearl half court shot to beat BC. The 30 for 30 on the Big East brought a tear to my ear watching it recalling all the memories.

That's true, thinking some more about the ones I've watch I believe you are correct. I guess I better get busy! And yes I agree, most are very good. I just watched When the Garden was Eden. That and Requiem of the Big East were two of my favorites.

It kind of surprises me ESPN hasn't yet done a 30 For 30 film on the Bills 4 Super Bowls in a row. Yeah they didn't win any but no other team has ever come close. When you look at some of the topics they have done shows on it's not like it's only the top stories in sports, they've done shows on surfers, BMX drivers, etc, some people I've never even heard of. I'd think the Bills would be a better story than some of these others??

Was it men's or women's?? Just asking??

Well if you're goigt to blame the Bills front office for getting it wrong a QB, you probably need to blast every other team too as they all get it wrong. If the Bills front office were to draft five more first round QB's over the next ten years and they all failed, they'd be doing about average. So just curious, where exactly do you think you're going to find a GM who'll do a better job than Doug Whaley? And please don't suggest 70 YO Bill Pollion. I wouldn't even mind him so much if the son wouldn't come with him. I'll promise you one thing if the Bill's did dump Whaley, he's be scooped up very quickly.

If there was time for the coaches to run another 100 plays with the backups I will guarantee you they would use that additional time with the starters instead for more practice And certainly the Bills are not unique in thought process either, every team in the league would do the same. When you add in the limitations for practice it makes it worse. The extra time the QB coach spends with EJ,is that now less time he has to work with Orton? I've read/heard that in a typical NFL work week, the back up QB gets around a half dozen snaps with the first team offense. And that statement was made prior to the latest CBA which further limits overall time, so may even be less. For the same reason I always laugh at these posts from people who state the Bill's should draft a QB every year. Well then all you'll have is a bunch of inexperienced QB's who got zero playing time and never got better.

Interesting that the game is on the NFL network, but with CBS announcers and produced by CBS??

You could easily put Vinny Testiverdi(sp) in the same category. He never won a Super Bowl, but certainly his best days were long after being drafted by Tampa. On the other hand while I'm not saying he's anywhere near terrible, both those guys did have better physical tools. Seemed their problems may have been more on the mental side of the game. Don't think that's ever been Orton's problem, in his case may be more questionable skills.

Oh you mean like these threads???

Totally agree wit hyou. I've posted this a few times, likely Hakett goes unless the offense improves greatly.

Great idea!! That's exactly what Buffalo did the week prior, so wouldn't you think the defense may also be looking for that me play.

So Goodwin was out today, Woods missed most of the game, Did Easley play today?? Williams has been a disappointment. May be they are afraid to only have one TE as the blocking isn't good enough and would make the D tend to bring in more LB less D-backs for guys like Sammy to work against. If the line starts playing better may see more WR play

I assume you mean ten from the bottom?

These guys may mean Hughes doesn't get resigned with this much depth. Use the $$ elsewhere.

As many threads there were here ripping the Watkins trade, I'm beginning to wonder if there are just as many turning up on the Browns board. Barring a complete 2nd half meltdown, likely this pick will be somewhere between 15 to 20 and maybe even the low 20's