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Smoke and mirrors, my friends, smoke and mirrors... Koobs will be hired for his 2nd head coaching gig, as soon as Baltimore's season ends. Bank on it!

No team has scheduled an interview with Kubiak because he announced he would NOT take part in one until after the Ravens season is over. Kubiak certainly has the credentials to be a head coach again, but after suffering a mini-stroke during his final year in Houston, he may not want the added stress that comes with it. If one of the Shanahans gets the Bills coaching gig, Kubiak would be high on the OC list because both of them have worked successfully with Gary in the past. And all it would take for him to leave Baltimore is an offer he can't refuse.

I can see your point and agree that the odds are far better for Kubiak to be hired as a head coach for the second time around. Only time will tell, but if the Ravens lose Saturday, Gary's name will be added to the current mix of strong candidates for a HC gig. And if the Bills are in play (as I think they are with both Shanahans), they'll be the first ones on the phone to Koobs. Prior to his Thursday firing in Cleveland, Kyle stated that he'd be open to a lateral move. So if he isn't offered a HC job soon, I think he'll play it safe and work with his pops again. The fact the Bills have not yet named a coach makes me think that they're waiting on a candidate that's in the playoffs. If it is indeed Kubiak, the Pegulas are patiently waiting because he stated he's not interviewing with anybody, for any role, until the Ravens season has ended. If this scenario transpires, Kubiak would be Buffalo's HC, Kyle his OC again (as he was in Houston), and Mike would reunite with Gary - who was his Super Bowl OC in Denver - as President and Director of Football Operations.

Ha Ha. LOL - Dougie's gotta get the job first... But the call may not be necessary, if Jay forces his way out to be with Shanny, like Kyle did today for Daddy.

I agree one-hundred percent... Marrrone dug his grave when he took the money and ran. But he shut the lid to his coffin, when he trash-talked the Bills' front office, on his way out the door.

NFL teams can block lateral moves, but cannot block promotions. They just have the ability to say no, like the Bills and 49ers did when Washington requested permission to interview Jim Schwartz and Vic Fangio for the Skins' defensive coordinator opening. Even before Kyle Shanahan got freed up with this morning's firing in Cleveland, the Pegula's asked for and were granted permission to talk to him about their head coaching position. I'm sure if he was still with the Browns, Buffalo could have offered him the alternative option of an OC job during the interview... But if, by rule, they couldn't, the Bills would have had to ask Cleveland a second time for permission to interview Kyle as an offensive coordinator. The Browns could have actually denied that request, but with the friction that had developed between their staff and Kyle, it was highly doubtful they would have. "An NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach - who is in the same role and under an existing contract with another team - without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere. But the current team is not required to give permission." In other words, teams can't stand in the way of an assistant's chances at a head-coaching job (even if under contract). But they CAN keep an assistant from leaving for another assistant job, if they CHOOSE to.

I believe the writing's on the wall for both Shanahans to end up in Buffalo. Kyle's interview today went from a mandatory head coaching meeting to a coach OR coordinator one. If he's hired for either one of the roles, Buffalo will choose from 3 sets of options. 1. Mike as head coach and Kyle as OC (like they were in DC) 2. Kyle as head coach, with a new OC, and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations 3. A new HC that's NOT a Shanahan, with Kyle as OC and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations And.... The person who I believe is most likely to fill in the blanks in lines 2 and 3 is.... Ravens OC Gary Kubiak, who could leave Baltimore (like Kyle left Cleveland), as soon as the season ends for his current team. The connection between all 3 is obvious and there's a lot to like about Kubiak, who turned Baltimore's offense into a juggernaut in 2014. Gary was Mike's OC in Denver, when the Broncos won back-to-back Super Bowls in 1997 and '98. And Kyle was Gary's OC in Houston before becoming his Dad's in Washington. Personally, I like the Shanny plan, but would prefer Mike or Koobs as the Bills new HC. I just don't think Kyle's ready yet to be "the guy".

I believe the writing's on the wall for both Shanahans to end up in Buffalo. Kyle's interview Thursday went from a mandatory head coaching meeting to a coach OR coordinator one. If he's hired for either one of the roles, Buffalo will choose from 3 sets of options. 1. Mike as head coach and Kyle as OC (like they were in DC) 2. Kyle as head coach, with a new OC, and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations 3. A new HC that's NOT a Shanahan, with Kyle as OC and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations And.... The person who I believe is most likely to fill in the blanks in lines 2 and 3 is.... Baltimore OC and former Houston HC Gary Kubiak, who could leave the Ravens (like Kyle left Cleveland), as soon as the season ends for his current team. The connection between all 3 is obvious and there's a lot to like about Kubiak, who turned Baltimore's offense into a juggernaut in 2014. Gary was Mike's OC in Denver, when the Broncos won back-to-back Super Bowls in 1997 and '98. And Kyle was Gary's OC in Houston before becoming his Dad's in Washington. Personally, I like the Shanny plan, but would prefer Mike or Koobs as the Bills new HC. I just don't think Kyle's ready yet to be "the guy". Thoughts??

NFL teams can block lateral moves, but cannot block promotions. That doesn't mean the Browns can't consider requests from teams who are interested in Kyle's services as an offensive coordinator. They just have the ability to say no, like the Bills and 49ers did when Washington requested permission to interview Jim Schwartz and Vic Fangio for the Skins' defensive coordinator opening. The Bills have already asked and were granted permission to talk to Kyle about their head coaching position. I'm sure the Pegulas could offer him some alternative options during the interview... But if, by rule, they can't, the Bills would have to ask Cleveland a second time for permission to interview Kyle as an offensive coordinator. Of course, this would occur if Buffalo chooses to hire Kyle's father or someone like Gary Kubiak as head coach. The Browns could actually deny that request, but with the friction that's developed between their staff and Kyle, it's highly doubtful they will. "An NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach - who is in the same role and under an existing contract with another team - without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere. But the current team is not required to give permission." In other words, teams cannot keep an assistant from leaving for a head-coaching job (even if he is under contract). But they CAN keep an assistant from leaving for another assistant job, if they CHOOSE to.

On Tuesday morning, I posted a thread entitled "2 Shannys and a Koobs?" It got merged with the one called "Package Deal (Mike & Kyle Shanahan)". But it really should have been included in this thread... My OP revolved around a scenario in which both Shanahans would shuffle into Buffalo, while the Pegulas found a way to lure Gary Kubiak from his offensive coordinator role in Baltimore. Of course, it would be slow to develop because of Kubiak's refusal to interview for jobs until the Ravens season concludes. But I envisioned it as a distinct possibility because of the football relationships that are intertwined between all three men. It then became an even bigger possibility when Kyle Shanahan announced yesterday that he may be open to a "lateral move" to escape friction that has developed between him and the Brown's front office, after just one year in Cleveland. Here's my original post.... LET'S CONNECT THE DOTS... I'm not a fan of nepotism, but if the Shanahans BOTH shuffled off to Buffalo, their father & son roles would be different than the ones they had in Washington, with the chance for an added bonus. I live in DC, so I witnessed Mike and Kyle's struggles with the Redskins. But I blame their demise on Daniel Snyder and his obsession with RGIII, who I believe Mike never wanted in the first place. So would two Shannys be a fit in Buffalo? Bills fans already have their doubts, but it may not be as far-fetched as it sounds. And an old friend may be invited to tag along. Here's one scenario... If Baltimore loses at New England this weekend, Terry & Kim Pegula could move fast to hire Mike as their "Czar" and Kyle and Gary Kubiak as their coach and offensive coordinator... but not necessarily in that order. Mike and Kyle are already head coaching candidates, while their former colleague (Kubiak) will be, as soon as his OC duties conclude with the Ravens. It may take the perfect storm, but all three men could be willing to sacrifice personal goals to work together on a unified one with the Bills. We all know Mike chatted with the Pegulas on Sunday about the head coaching position, but who's to say he wasn't pitching his son for the job, while lobbying for the advisory role that Bill Polian turned down? On Monday evening, the Bills requested a meeting with Kyle. Is it just coincidence or are the owners of Buffalo's hockey and football teams planning a power play? Kubiak could be their true target, with Mike as head of Football Operations and Kyle as OC - if he chooses to leave the job he currently has in Cleveland. But I think the more likely scenario is Kyle as head coach, with Kubiak in charge of turning around a struggling offense for the second year in a row. http://m.espn.go.com...357&src=desktop Kubiak certainly has the credentials to be a head coach again, but after suffering a mini-stroke during his final year in Houston, he may not want the added stress that comes with it. With Kyle as coach, Kubiak can do exactly what he's done so successfully in Baltimore. And the younger Shanahan would have TWO trusted mentors by his side, with FIVE Super Bowl rings between them. Mike Shanahan earned his first ring in 1994 (as George Seifert's OC), when San Francisco beat San Diego in Super Bowl XXIX. Then he won 2 more as head coach of the Broncos in '97 & '98. Mike's offensive coordinator in Denver was Gary Kubiak... and when Kubiak became Houston's head coach... he eventually hired Kyle as his OC with the Texans. So there's plenty of history between them and what comes around often goes around in the NFL. Perhaps all 3 are meant to be (together again) in Buffalo! P.S. If we toss Mario Williams into the mix, Buffalo has a former Texans star who knows Kyle and Koobs well and can act as a reference for both. Thoughts???

Kubiak has refused to interview with ANY team while the Ravens are still in the tournament. See here and here... Ultimately, this gives Terry and Kim Pegula the extra time they need to work out a possible three-man reunion of Gary, Mike and Kyle. I'm obviously not the only one on this board that has thought about Kubiak as part of the equation, but he could certainly be Buffalo's OC if Mike becomes head coach or lobbies his son for it. Of course, Koobs would fall out of the equation if he gets hired elsewhere for a head job, chooses to stay in Baltimore, or if Mike returns to coach and lures Kyle away from Cleveland to serve as his OC again.

That's not possible because Kubiak has refused to interview with ANY team while the Ravens are still in the tournament. See here and here... Ultimately, this gives Terry and Kim Pegula the extra time they need to work out a possible three-man reunion of Gary, Mike and Kyle. I'm not sure if I'm the only one on this board that has thought about Kubiak as part of the equation, but he could certainly be Buffalo's OC if Mike becomes head coach or lobbies his son for it. Of course, Koobs would fall out of the equation if he gets hired elsewhere for a head job, chooses to stay in Baltimore, or if Mike returns to coach and lures Kyle away from Cleveland to serve as his OC again. Thanks for trying to respond to my post that got merged. It was entitled "2 Shannys and a Koobs?", in reference to a scenario in which both Shanahans would shuffle into Buffalo, while the Pegulas found a way to lure Gary Kubiak from his offensive coordinator role in Baltimore. Of course, this would happen when the Ravens season concludes. In that case, anything is possible, with all 3 men capable of the head coaching role. In my opinion, Mike would defer to his son, while accepting the Bill Poilan "Czar" role and Kubiak would serve as a second mentor to him in the OC role. I say this because I think it's safer for Kubiak to limit his responsibilities, after he suffered a mini-stroke last year as head coach of the Texans.

Now we're on to something... I agree 100 percent!!! You make a very good point here. That's why I think it would be best to separate the two, with Mike as the Director of Football Operations, Whaley as GM and Kyle as head coach. Then you make a play for an offensive coordinator who the Shannys admire and trust. In my opinion, that would be Gary Kubiak, if he doesn't get another head coaching gig and agrees to cut bait with the Ravens. To refresh everyone's memories, Gary was Mike's OC during their Super Bowl years with the Broncos and hired Kyle to be his OC when Koobs was head coach in Houston.

LET'S CONNECT THE DOTS... I'm not a fan of nepotism, but if the Shanahans BOTH shuffled off to Buffalo, their father & son roles would be different than the ones they had in Washington, with the chance for an added bonus. I live in DC, so I witnessed Mike and Kyle's struggles with the Redskins. But I blame their demise on Daniel Snyder and his obsession with RGIII, who I believe Mike never wanted in the first place. So would two Shannys be a fit in Buffalo? Bills fans already have their doubts, but it may not be as far-fetched as it sounds. And an old friend may be invited to tag along. Here's one scenario... If Baltimore loses at New England this weekend, Terry & Kim Pegula could move fast to hire Mike as their "Czar" and Kyle and Gary Kubiak as their coach and offensive coordinator... but not necessarily in that order. Mike and Kyle are already head coaching candidates, while their former colleague (Kubiak) will be, as soon as his OC duties conclude with the Ravens. It may take the perfect storm, but all three men could be willing to sacrifice personal goals to work together on a unified one with the Bills. We all know Mike chatted with the Pegulas on Sunday about the head coaching position, but who's to say he wasn't pitching his son for the job, while lobbying for the advisory role that Bill Polian turned down? On Monday evening, the Bills requested a meeting with Kyle. Is it just coincidence or are the owners of Buffalo's hockey and football teams planning a power play? Kubiak could be their true target, with Mike as head of Football Operations and Kyle as OC - if he chooses to leave the job he currently has in Cleveland. But I think the more likely scenario is Kyle as head coach, with Kubiak in charge of turning around a struggling offense for the second year in a row. http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=baltimore-ravens&id=14357&src=desktop Kubiak certainly has the credentials to be a head coach again, but after suffering a mini-stroke during his final year in Houston, he may not want the added stress that comes with it. With Kyle as coach, Kubiak can do exactly what he's done so successfully in Baltimore. And the younger Shanahan would have TWO trusted mentors by his side, with FIVE Super Bowl rings between them. Mike Shanahan earned his first ring in 1994 (as George Seifert's OC), when San Francisco beat San Diego in Super Bowl XXIX. Then he won 2 more as head coach of the Broncos in '97 & '98. Mike's offensive coordinator in Denver was Gary Kubiak... and when Kubiak became Houston's head coach... he eventually hired Kyle as his OC with the Texans. So there's plenty of history between them and what comes around often goes around in the NFL. Perhaps all 3 are meant to be (together again) in Buffalo! P.S. If we toss Mario Williams into the mix, Buffalo has a former Texans star who knows Kyle and Koobs well and can act as a reference for both. Thoughts???

I understand the OP posted this due to misspellings, but somebody should tell NFL Network's Amber Theoharis that it's pronounced Pah-GOO-la and not Pah-GO-la. Fan forum mistakes are forgivable, but she anchors football shows for a living!