Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

That is true, maybe not as bad but think there's still enough holes to fill and even with a lower pick no guarantees that one will hit either. Plus with higher pick could trade down for more picks.

Assume you're right and they somehow get to 8-8 or 9-7. Is that really want you want? Highly unlikely they will get anywhere close to #1 overall, but would be happy with a top 10 pick which typically translates to 5 maybe 6 wins. I'd be happier with that.

Definitely can see Colton Schmidt taking out Marrone on a sideline punt!

I'd agree with this, one high tier FA, and maybe a 2nd who's not quite as high paid, then draft a RT or guard in 2nd round. Don't completely rule our Ike B and Conor M for next season either. At a minimum they could be your 6th and 7th guys, first off off the bench.

I'd think they'll do more than one O-lineman. I can see them signing a high level FA, maybe even two for the line, plus draft another, maybe 2nd rounder for guard or RT. Possibly either Ike B or McD from the practice squad can also develop into at least a legit depth player for the line.

The only thing that keeps Lewis employed is he works for the cheapest owner in the league who doesn't want to have to pay off contracts, both for Lewis and assistants. IMO Lewis has a bad year or two, ready to get fired but Brown wants to give him one more year so he'll have less years left to pay off. But then Lewis has a good season so Brown re-signs him again (and for less $$ than most coaches would want) and we repeat the cycle.

The coach is never tanking, he's always trying to win with whatever he has. The GM, he can easily be looking down the road and as you said shed contracts, etc.. Does that mean McD hasn't been consulted on every roster move, certainly was on board. But when Sunday rolls around McD and even Beane to a lesser degree are trying their hardest and doing everything they can to win.

Saw that one too, That may have been his worse effort of the year. Camera angles can be bad, but from what the TV showed, looked like he would have had a good chance to catch it. That play alone is worth getting cut over. Kind of funny the one game he looked good was the pre-season against Carolina as he had something to prove. Since then, nothing!

I have the Minn defense, they have a bye this week so needed to pick up another, almost took the Jets D. In the end got KC instead.

Actually you bring up a good suggestion but in a different role. I'd keep everything as is in general, maybe a new ST and O-line coach, but would keep McD as HC (min 1 to 2 more seasons) and let him make any coaching changes he feels is needed, the 2 mentioned above being likely. BUT would bring in Arians as president or if you want to call it czar fine too., kind of in a similar role as TC is in Jax. A young HC would likely gain value in having someone like that to lean on when needed and could also help the GM too. But think it's much more value in having a person who actually was a HC. People have talked about Polian, but he has no HC experience nor Pioli plus another one of these guys where tough to separate out how much is him vs BB influence. Pick another name in place of Ariens if you want but make it someone who was a HC for awhile with success, and is old enough to not want to get back into coaching as don't want the HC having to be looking over his shoulder all the time.

To your point, I recall a number of season between 1990 and maybe around 1998, the Bills going 0-5 in pre-season. (and yes they were still playing 5 pre-season games back then, at least back in the beginning of those years). Actually I remember even playing six pre-season games. What does that prove, that I'm old!

Baring another say 2-14 season, I'll be very surprised if he's not given at least 4 years as really don't think TP wants to keep making changes if he feels the person is doingthings correctly and just needs more time. He's not getting fired for at least one more season, IMO 2 years Cleveland needs a coach now so no. Unless you prefer starting all over again with new players to fit a different scheme. Just curious, were you calling for him to be fired the end of last season when they went 9-7 and made the playoffs? He "tore it down" because the only players the team had with any trade value were on the offensive side. The team wanted draft picks to move up so the only way to do that was to make trades. Unless they way over paid, Sammy wasn't re-signing here so stop any delusions of thinking how much better the team would be with him here. And to say he "tore it down" is maybe the equivalent of saying he tore down an outhouse! They looked good on paper and were a very good running team, but never felt that was a strength. For the past 3 to 4 seasons everyone was complaining about how weak the O-line was so there wasn't much torn down there, are they better now, no, but nothing was torn down either. QB, they weren't going anywhere with TT WR was the one position they were better at then than now, but highly doubt they'd have re-signed Watkins and if they had, every one here would have gone nuts regarding how much they over paid. From what I read, Woods wanted to go to a west coast team, and with the QB play here the past 2 plus seasons, he'd likely look the same as he did when he was here which was nothing special.

Read an article not that long ago that said they likely would give him transition tag from what I've read would cost them between $10 to $15 mil. Gives him the option to negotiate with other teams so can't see why he'd sit out. Will be surprised if any teams really offer him what he thinks he's going to get or maybe will get a big contract but for short term, probably about what he'd have got this year under the tag. Connor playing as well as he has, hasn't helped Bell's cause much. Shows how indispensable RB's really are. One thing that did surprise me a bit is that I knew players received a game check for each weeks game, assumed it was their total salary divided by 16, didn't realize it include the bye weeks so it's salary divided by 17.

Many guys are limited in practice, but still play. Just read Edmunds cleared concussion protocol and will start, he was 100% limited all week. Granted normally with the QB whe nthey are limited but play, it's normally an experienced vet like Arron Rodgers missed a few weeks of practice, but still played. Would be unusual in Allens case, unless he was less limited than was made out to be.

Or the entire thing is to try and make the Jets spend time preparing for three different QB's. Don't know much about Barkley, but the other two are different enough that would make you spend more time on diverging game plans. Granted the bar is very low, but thought last weeks game other than the Minn game was the best game of the season at QB overall. Do you honestly beleive the int's last week were Peterman's fault??

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McD. Just read an article a week or two ago that basically stated considering the talent he has to work with , Daboll's done pretty well. So not really faulting him there, lets first see what he can do with some talent on the team. Reading your response the other poster, kind of stats the same.

Because he's a rookie 5th round draft choice that looked good in per-season (as did Peterman), but the people that see him every day in practice, meeting, etc, don't feel he's ready yet. The fact that he did play some last week may mean he's getting closer to being ready. By next season he could be a starter, maybe later this season after the bye. maybe he starts seeing more PT even maybe start.

But now you'll be ripped for McD is so clueless that he hasn't played him, he can't even see talent himself when it's right there in front of him!

Well I'll take your word for it that they were top 10, they certainly didn't look anything that special. It had to be almost completely on the legs of McCoy as it sure wasn't because of TT's great play. So to say he destroyed the offense is a large stretch. Who did he get rid of on the offensive side that was talked about on an elite or even close to elite level. Please don't say Watkins as he did pretty much nothing. Neither did Woods or Goodwin while here. The only player really outstanding besides McCoy was RI and he kind of sealed his own fate. What exactly has McD done to show he's clueless? The way I see it he's shown very little good or bad as they haven't signed or drafted anyone too much. You want to fault him for neglecting the offense ok fine, but can't fix everything at once. If you want to fault him for play calling, execution, that falls more on the OC than him, or at least it should.

189 yards on 31 completions is about 6 yards per completion. And as has been stated the INT's weren't on him, if the receiver had actually caught those passes from what I recall were all over 10 yards each too. I also tend to agree with the article. As was also stated, very few teams have a good backup QB, and the few that do, likely has more to do with the players around him than his actual play. I missed the Minn game, but of the others I saw, watching it I thought it was the best game of the year at QB for the Bills overall. Who's played better this season for the team?

I haven't seen them do anything on the offensive side to say either way that they can or can't do it. The players they've drafted in the top 4 rounds defensively have looked pretty good and solid, no obvious busts there. I have trouble believing that people can have the knowledge to draft correctly defensively, but not on the offensive side? Once you get below the 4th round it's kind of a crap shoot however it works out, you hope for some successes there, but don't expect too much either. The three players they did draft offensively Dawkins looks solid, Jones has looked OK this year with no supporting cast around him, can't recall seeing too many bad drops like last year. Allen is way too early to know either way in spite of what many here claim and even if he does bomb out, the number of 1st round QBs that fail is pretty large, welcome to the club. People argue that you need an offensive mind to know how to draft that side, well then how does that guy know how to draft the other side? Couple years back people here were clamoring for Adam Gaise, he isn't looking very good lately and he was this supposed offensive guru from what I recall. They ignored the offense which if you want to blame him there, can't argue much. They wanted extra draft picks, for the most part the only players they could have moved and got any value back were on the offensive side so they let some there go, couple that with losing Woods and RI left them in worse shape. The molding and shaping you mention was mostly dumping players and getting little back, but no effort to get return so can't say they can't do it either. There's really very little evidence either way.

OK I'll agree with you there, but where's the lies and the misleading part? I'd agree they underestimated the QB part and even there think it came down to they felt AJ would have looked/played much better than he did. Not excusing them for that, but seems like that was their big mistake and not bringing in a guy like Anderson earlier. The other big mistake was winning 9 games last year which resulted in a worse than expected draft position and resulted in leaving the "cupboard" more bare.

What specifically do you feel they lied about?? IMO what Beane and McD told the P's were they have too many overpaid contracts that need to be purged. Until those are off the books we're going to be be pretty bad, but will have high draft choices. Maybe they mislead them last year by winning 9 games when they thought they'd only win 5 or 6. Admittedly they likely didn't think they'd be looking this bad. In hindsight they would have maybe been better developing some offense and some defense as opposed to all emphasis on one side. But again, they likely didn't think they'd be anywhere this bad on offense either.

Was everyone who says they should fire him stating the same at the end of last season when they made the playoffs and went 9-7 when most at the beginning of the year were predicting 4 to 6 wins? Just curious?