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The separation part is true, but have you seen the grabs he’s been getting? The guy really can catch anything. He seems to be a great contested catcher, and could have some value in short yardage/red zone passing situations. As the ST snaps graph shows, the Bills are looking for a reason to keep him, which means they like his on field performance too.

It’s quite clear his hands were tied as to what he was allowed to say. That’s very common when lawyers are involved.

Quite frankly, neither you or I know who commuted those acts against that girl. It’s very possible she doesn’t even know. Due process is of the utmost importance at times like these, clearly that’s how the Bills organization feels too. We all know they are run very well, and look how they are handling this situation, they are exercising due process just as they should be. It’s really quite simple. Also, just because not everyone is treated the same in the world, is not an excuse to treat others differently. We need to be that which we wish to experience, otherwise things inevitably turn to anarchy.

You covered this very well! Thank you for responding to that incredibly short sighted post in such an articulate manner.

That’s not a good look either. It’s about more than him, “just being a punter”. Would you want to be part of an organization that treats people differently based on who they are or what they do? I surely wouldn’t, and there is a good chance that would turn away others too. There is no easy answer when things like this happen, but the right path is following pre established plans (even if it was to get rid of someone at the onset of the accusation, but clearly, that’s not the Bills plan).

By and large the vast majority on this thread are simply saying, a decision shouldn’t be made based on the court of public opinion. But instead, due diligence should be exercised in order to get as much facts as possible and then make an informed decision whether that be releasing him or not. There really is nothing worse than those who jump to conclusions based on emotion. That’s a recipe for disaster not success!

It’s about more than the punter though. It’s about the Bills acting in a way that won’t be prohibitive to signing other players in the future. This current Bills organization is a very high character organization. They aren’t going to make rash, emotional decisions. They are going to follow their pre established plans and act accordingly at the conclusion of following those plans. In this case, if the Bills believe the rape accusations to be true, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t release him, and justifiably so. What would you say if Josh had such an accusation made against him? Would you still want the Bills to make a rushed emotional decision and move on? Would you be willing to forgive him? For me personally, I wouldn’t want anyone on the team who was proven to have raped another (proven being the key word btw). However, as it relates to this instance (or any like it), if the Bills believe that Araiza acted in the wrong, while not being 100% definite, that should be enough to pull plug (I would hope so). Just the same, due diligence must be exercised first in an effort to adhere to the high standard the Bills organization adheres too.

However, a situation like this needs to be handled the same regardless of player/position. It’s doesn’t help build chemistry/morale treating people differently based on the position they play. Imagine Josh being accused of something like this. Should we expect the Bills to get rid of him immediately because of the bad look to the organization? I know many here who are so willing to move on from Araiza wouldn’t feel the same if it was Josh. I know for a fact I wouldn’t want to work with a company/organization that handles hard times differently based on who you are/what you do. Fortunately, the Bills are not such an organization.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding the private industry in AMERICA should represent American ideals in order to attract hard working Americans. Who wants to work for a company/organization that doesn’t adhere to America ideals? Those pulling the weight of this country along are the ones who adhere and respect the American way of life. Obviously a private company is free to do things that are counter to the American justice system, but such actions are not free of consequence. In the instance the Bills find themselves in, there isn’t one right answer as so many in this thread seem to indicate. EVERY organization/company worth a damn has procedure/protocols in place for dealing with the multitude of things that can occur. Just as the Bills do in this instance. The best thing the Bills can do is follow their pre established procedures/protocols (even if that means dumping the player, however, that doesn’t appear to be the case as of now).

Agreed, however innocent until proven guilty is an American value. Do you think the Bills are more or less attractive to players when we cut people the second a negative accusation is made against them? Of course not, the reason being, not adhering to a core tenet of the American way of life. Just any team preaches the best man wins the job, so should the team follow their existing procedures for this kind of thing, and I guarantee you, the procedure is NOT to act based on feelings and public perception. The Bills have to show honesty and integrity in regards to their players, illustrating that they respect them as people. Too many in this nation react emotionally and then don’t see anything wrong with that. Pure insanity

Consider the counter to what you say. Who wants to sign with a team that dumps a player the second there are accusations made against that player? There are never easy choices in these situations. At the end of the day, the right answer is to follow plans put in place for these kind of things and NOT make off the cuff decisions based on emotion.

This right here. The Bills have to exercise their own due diligence and determine if he did it or not. They might not get a 100% definitive answer, however, they should be able to get enough information to make an informed decision one way or the other. However, the Bills should NOT act on an accusation alone. Too many people in this country jump to conclusions based solely on headlines and quick sound bites. Fortunately, the Bills organizations seems to be beyond that. Whatever the outcome, hopefully the truth prevails.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Anyone can make an accusation. If guilty, he deserves punishment, but he deserves a chance to defend himself, as we all do.

The thing is, if he goes to the PUP list, he can’t practice either. As good as he is, he is going to need some practice time being for going full go in a game. So he would miss a minimum of 4 games, but would the Bills have him play game 5 with only one week of practice? If they don’t put him on the PUP, it’s one less person that can be stashed, however not everyone on the 53 is active every week. If Tre is close, it might be worth having him inactive for a week or 2, while still being able to practice and ramp up. The best thing about this news is that he is close. If he wasn’t, he would be on the PUP already.

I know Dorsey is a massive question mark, but I have such a good feeling about him as an o coordinator and I’m anticipating our offense looking better than it has to date (with Allen).

I agree. We all have faith in Davis and McKenzie (trust me, I do big time), but we can’t expect them to be rated near the top until they’ve proven themselves over a full season. I expect after this season, the Bills wr room will be ranked much higher, and that’s the crutch with exercises like this, you can’t rank guys who haven’t produced ahead of guys who have, yet we all know guys who haven’t produced will break out during the season, but we can only guess who. In the end, you have to perform these exercises based off of proven performance (which is more looking back than forward).

Exactly. Look at the high character people associated with the Bills, they most definitely don’t see the mantra as something that would allow for cheating. Like you said, good character and ethics go without saying.

I was done with it when I saw McCorkle on the list. There is no way he is top 100 material, especially as a rookie. He was very solid for sure, but top 100 players are well beyond solid.

I think McDermott will wait until game 3 again. Because of the roster cut down dates, game 2 is the last chance to see many live before the big cut downs. Before game 1 it was stated that McDermott wanted to give the guys fighting for a spot as many opportunities as possible.

Ok, so compare players based on stats alone? That’s the end of the line? How do they achieve those stats? Garbage time, against a backup, wide open play, there are so many variables as we all know. For me personally, my comparison of the two is based on what I see with my eyes, them as a football players on the field. Lemar’s play on the field is far and away different than Tyrods. Tyrod was lien a Trent Edwards who could run. That’s who he compares to.

I don’t see them as similar. Unless by similar you mean a black qb who can run. Lemar is not only faster than Tyrod, he has a better arm and is more willing to throw deep. Lemar is so much more explosive as a player, and he looks to take open lanes and run. Tyrod was more like a classic game manager, who took the easy, open shots. He could run, his running was more of a last resort or play extending, than taking open lanes immediately. Overall, I think Tyrod’s running is closer to Josh than Lamar. Lamar is such a unique talent at qb. It’s really hard to compare him to any qb. I’m personally excited to see if he can take a step forward passing this upcoming season.

Exactly. A trade guarantees a team gets the player, instead of having to compete with other teams. A trade is never out of question with Beane, especially when we have good depth.

I’d prefer it to be more like last year honestly. Grabs like we saw against Diggs at Tampa for sure should be called, but I can’t stand the ticky tacky stuff. Let them play a bit. The main reason it annoys me is because there doesn’t seem to be a ton of consistency game to game (not just talking about Bills games only BTW). The obvious stuff is what should be called, like a Jersey being pulled away from the wr. Has anyone noticed that trend that some of the better wr’s have been getting good at “falling” after the db barely puts their hand on them? I believe Evans did this to us last year once or twice. I’m afraid we will see a ton of this s**t this season.

It looked pretty natural in the video. These guys have enough going on, I doubt they are planning staged scuffles with a chance for a silly injury.

How could you know if he did or didn’t do that to Kyler? That’s pure speculation. You’d have to follow Cards camp to even have a chance at knowing. The rest of your comment may hold some merit, either way it’s pretty much like nothing. It’s got to be hard to do their job when all of sudden the red no contact qb comes running at you.