Einstein's Dog

If it's $6.5M, it certainly would make sense to quickly get offers out to those they feel are better, that are in the same area pricewise. For instance, $7-8M for a year or two of Trai Turner and draft a round 1-3 IOL is something you would think the FO is now mulling over. Need a decision quick though.

I don't want any QBs going Miami's way, Baker or especially Brady. Blockbuster is subjective, I wouldn't mind seeing Bradberry moved to the Bills. That would be blockbuster enough for me.

Most scenarios seem to conclude that we will be waiting until the last day to decide. One unfortunate problem is that there don't seem to be many good veteran choices that would be an upgrade. The poster I responded to was mentioning Chris Reed, who is not an upgrade. So turning down Bates even at an uncomfortable price would leave us with a hole to fill. IMO, getting Turner would be an upgrade. And the front office would want to know if they could get him at a price they have in mind before deciding on Bates. That would be the time constraint.

Along those lines it might be that the FO is weighing the amount for Bates vs putting an additional say $1-2M for starter level Trai Turner. The FO could be in frantic negotiations with Trai. Get that deal done before turning down Bates.

It will be interesting to see it play out. But I think it has to be more tempting now than before to find the extra money for a Patrick Peterson or James Bradberry. Maybe the holdup with Bates is he's within $2M of Trai Turner. So now that negotiation is being settled before they respond to Bates. Even if these moves are done we won't know if they were helped along by a change in the odds of winning it all. Seems reasonable they are planning a couple more moves, it's just now they may up the ante to the bigger fish - Turner/Bradberry/Peterson.

But then we would be saying how surprised we are that for a measly additional $1 million we could have added Trai Turner.

What? Why take one? So, we can replace Singletary next year. I'm not satisfied with Moss. I wish the discussion was about RBs that are there in the 3/4th. That should be our target zone. I would like to see the FO have a target in mind in the 4th, and maybe even trade up from the 4th to get him. Having 4th round picks as integral part of the team is a great strategy for long term success. Fill premium positions first - WR, CB, and then maybe IOL. Tyler Allgier, Brian Robinson, James Cook, Kyren Williams. One of these non-primma donna RBs that can be groomed w a year prep into the starting role.

Well Brady would have WRs - Hill/Waddle/Parker, RBs Edmonds/Mosert/Gaskin, TEs Gesicki/Gronk. For a QB that many think has been pretty much a game manager, he could have the opportunity to put up some pinball type numbers.

I've got to admit - this would suck. Brady then they add Gronk. Ouch - don't want to see this happen at all.

Who? Godwin extended before Brady, Fournette went for the biggest offer. Gronk hasn't decided yet. Tampa hasn't signed anyone of note.

But Beane can sign Bradberry and still be truthful to "He doesn't really like doing that". A major transaction has occured and the 2022 season outlook has changed significantly. Beane may not like it, but when he critically looks at the opportunity he may conclude it is worth taking a more aggressive short term approach. It has for me, so I could see how it may for him.

I'd like to see them avoid the early problem this year. There could be the possibility to run away with the number 1 seed. Maybe this is the reason the FO didn't fill the CB with some run of the mill average vet. A third is a lot. Knox and Singletary were 3rds. And it seems some combination of WR, CB, IOL, then maybe RB would be in play.

They may have more information and be more confident in White for the start of the season than us. But for me, either way, I would like to see another vet brought in, and Bradberry seems like he would be at the top of the list. A 3rd and $6.5M is steep though. Probably have to weigh that with the same cost and no 3rd for Haden.

Wow. Love this idea. Take care of Diggs now, don't let the mumbling brew (long term benefit), and get a quality vet CB (short term benefit). Then with a taken care of Diggs and the CB hole temporarily filled they can more easily draft BPA (which hopefully would be the WR). A 3rd is steep. I wonder if the change with T Hill might prod the FO to push a few more short term chips in- it would for me. Get a vet CB in for the start of the season and have a fantastic CB duo (White and Bradberry) available for the playoffs. Very tempting.

Couple of comments. Sure a lot of what he says makes sense, find RB replacement for Singletary, 2 deep shell problems. What doesn't compute for me, is why would it have to be a 1st rounder? Singletary was a 3rd, go for another 3rd or 4th round RB. While you would get a cheaper 5th year, you need to remember to discount that by the percentage of times primma donna RBs would hold out and not play unless they have an extension. Didn't Zeke do that hold out thing, after Bell before him. 1st round RBs are not doing this anymore unless they are mediocre. Opportunity cost. You take an RB in round 1 and you forego a good shot at hitting on one of the premium, expensive, postiions - ie WR. The OP said J Williams wasn't there but if any of the top tier, top 5 WRs were, this would be a bad choice.

How can you possibly say it was a bad deal without knowing the contract he is getting? Ridiculous.

I think people may misjudge how the FO tendered him with how the FO values him. Easy mistake to make. The tendering is more indicative of how the FO feels the market will price Bates. If Beane felt Bates is very good for the Bills but only mediocre for every one else, you don't price him to how you think he is, you let him see what the market is, and match it. That's what I hope they are doing.

I disagree, bringing in a round 1 WR is just plain smart. The drafted WR might be more of a hedge on an outrageous Davis demand. I believe Diggs is a core member of this team and you pay him.

I want them to bring back Bates because the line played its best ball with Bates in there. He brings continuity. If losing Bates doesn't mean Ford starts (or god forbid Mancz) then it means another hole to fill. I don't want holes, I want upgrades. I also don't want Kromer and his lust for a player altering the draft strategy of BPA.

I think you meant "wouldn't". This does not seem like it will be a tough decision. First off, we hope the Bills just match the Bears offer, end of story, he's a Bill. I'm hoping internally the Bills have raised their price limit on what they would pay Bates. The KC/Hill fall out should be that the Bills spend a little more for the upcoming season now.

I've been saying you don't build your team to beat anyone in particular. However, I think you might adjust your short term vs long term planning on your opinion of the overall chances in the upcoming season. What I am wondering is if now, the Bills FO leans in a little more on the short term. KC just downgraded for next season. It appears to many (and shown through Vegas odds) that the Bills opportunity has increased. Do you think the FO will adjust their plans? Will they now pay a higher price for say Haden (I hope so)? Will they now lean more towards a CB or IOL in round 1 than say the WR because of the earlier use (I hope not). Would they be more willing to entertain a higher price for Bradberry? Do they raise their internal limit on Bates?

The FO would have tiers, and I'm thinking there are about 5-6 WRs in the top tier. The top tier should have a much higher rate of being a stud. A stud WR is a much more valuable asset than a stud RB financially. Just look at the figures of the top 5 FA WRs vs the top 5 FA RBs - it's not close. Also missing and getting an average WR fills the Sanders spot of $6M for 3-4 years while hitting and getting a good RB is only replacing Singletary's meager salary. If the player is really good you would want to renegotiate their contract a year before they hit FA to keep them. It's a bad idea to give an RB a second contract early (see Dallas/Zeke or Car/McCaffery) I agree you want maximum value out of your picks.

I agree with you, that Singletary is replaceable. And to stay ahead of the game they should get a replacement now. But Singletary was a 3rd round pick and I don't think they need to invest more than that. They have WR, CB, IOL, then RB. If someone is there at Rd 3 or 4, should be a consideration.

This should be a cautionary tale of why you should never build a team with a goal to match up to a specific team. Things are much too fluid. Yes, losses to teams can expose your weaknesses and areas you need to improve. But you build the best team you can and keep in mind the cap ramifications of moves you need to make. I think the Bills are doing a great job of this.

But he isn't the number 1 prospect according to PFF. They have Kenneth Walker. Anyways, I preferred the first mock when they had the Bills getting Treylon Burks. With WRs getting ridiculously expensive, it's worth the shot to try and home grow a really good one. Our FA isn't done, Beane still has a little CB magic he's been holding onto.